outlook is garbage...

[Cydrome Leader]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

Avocent Outlook KVMs work fine for me. Oddly, the power LED burned out one
unit I\'ve had for ages.

 

[Cydrome Leader]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

Avocent Outlook KVMs work fine for me. Oddly, the power LED burned out one
unit I\'ve had for ages.

 

[TTman]

On 18/11/2021 14:58, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.



Is it not a case of garbage in, garbage out?

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[TTman]

On 18/11/2021 14:58, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.



Is it not a case of garbage in, garbage out?

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[John Robertson]

On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine.

It isn\'t perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail!

John :-#)#

 

[John Robertson]

On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine.

It isn\'t perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail!

John :-#)#

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:

On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I\'m sticking with Eudora. It may not
be pretty by today\'s standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I\'ve had
from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email!
I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on using an
encryption standard that Eudora didn\'t support. I now use Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate).
However, when my wife wanted to upgrade computers I discovered that there has been a
recent patch for Eudora which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it.

I don\'t know about particular encryption standards, but there is a plug in for Eudora that supports SSL/TLS, known as Hermes more recently. That does the trick for most people. I expect this is the issue you encountered. Seems Eudora lost support at about the time SSL/TLS became important and work on it was discontinued.

There was an effort to update the entire program, but it has stalled without producing more results than this SSL/TLS update. The person even collected some amount of money through the project support web sites (not all that much really). I was hopeful a few bugs would be fixed, but I think it was just too large a project for so few people. I haven\'t heard about any progress for a year or two, maybe more.

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[Rick C]

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-4, John Walliker wrote:

On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I\'m sticking with Eudora. It may not
be pretty by today\'s standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I\'ve had
from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email!
I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on using an
encryption standard that Eudora didn\'t support. I now use Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate).
However, when my wife wanted to upgrade computers I discovered that there has been a
recent patch for Eudora which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it.

I don\'t know about particular encryption standards, but there is a plug in for Eudora that supports SSL/TLS, known as Hermes more recently. That does the trick for most people. I expect this is the issue you encountered. Seems Eudora lost support at about the time SSL/TLS became important and work on it was discontinued.

There was an effort to update the entire program, but it has stalled without producing more results than this SSL/TLS update. The person even collected some amount of money through the project support web sites (not all that much really). I was hopeful a few bugs would be fixed, but I think it was just too large a project for so few people. I haven\'t heard about any progress for a year or two, maybe more.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 20/11/21 21:17, John Walliker wrote:
On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I\'m sticking with Eudora. It may not
be pretty by today\'s standards, but it works and keeps working on everything I\'ve had
from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost an email!

I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on using an
encryption standard that Eudora didn\'t support. I now use Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate).
However, when my wife wanted to upgrade computers I discovered that there has been a
recent patch for Eudora which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it.
Long ago Eudora pissed me off because it *grossly* mishandled attachments.
It stripped them out and kept them in a separate directory with the
attachment\'s name.

Yes, if two email messages has attachments \"untitled.doc\", only one
was retained!

My experience is that the second attachment is renamed with a \'1\' appended or \"_1\" or the like. I have some files with very high numbers, but it changes the number in the email to match.

There are many issues with Eudora, mostly small and often related to the use of Internet Explorer for HTML rendering. That was one of the first things Hermes was to fix.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 10:09:45 AM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine.

It isn\'t perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail!

It has worked for me for a few years now. I moved to it when Eudora\'s support ran out.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 10:09:45 AM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine.

It isn\'t perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail!

It has worked for me for a few years now. I moved to it when Eudora\'s support ran out.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 10:09:45 AM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine.

It isn\'t perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail!

It has worked for me for a few years now. I moved to it when Eudora\'s support ran out.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 10:09:45 AM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/11/18 6:58 a.m., jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

I am happy with Thunderbird. Tracks usenet and emails just fine.

It isn\'t perfect, but it is far closer than MS Outlook or Apple Mail!

It has worked for me for a few years now. I moved to it when Eudora\'s support ran out.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Robert Baer]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

Outlook does not conform to the Sarbanes–Oxley Act of 2002.
The SEC does not care that the reporting and trace-ability
requirements are not enforced in Outlook.
That fact is easily demonstrated (I did, to the SEC).
Furthermore, Microsoft could care less; they paid the SEC off.

Stuff that in your smoke and pipe it.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 21/11/21 03:18, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 20/11/21 21:17, John Walliker wrote:
On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I\'m sticking with
Eudora. It may not be pretty by today\'s standards, but it works and
keeps working on everything I\'ve had from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost
an email!

I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on
using an encryption standard that Eudora didn\'t support. I now use
Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). However, when my wife wanted to upgrade
computers I discovered that there has been a recent patch for Eudora
which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it.
Long ago Eudora pissed me off because it *grossly* mishandled attachments.
It stripped them out and kept them in a separate directory with the
attachment\'s name.

Yes, if two email messages has attachments \"untitled.doc\", only one was
retained!

My experience is that the second attachment is renamed with a \'1\' appended or
\"_1\" or the like. I have some files with very high numbers, but it changes
the number in the email to match.

There are many issues with Eudora, mostly small and often related to the use
of Internet Explorer for HTML rendering. That was one of the first things
Hermes was to fix.

My experience with Eudora demonstrated two valuable things:

1) Eudora was broken in obvious ways, so the chances were
that it would be broken in subtle ways.

2) Don\'t get tied to a proprietary format. Many email clients
can use the mbox format. Even if seamonkey/thunderbird disappear,
I can still reclaim my emails.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 21/11/21 03:18, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 8:28:18 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 20/11/21 21:17, John Walliker wrote:
On Saturday, 20 November 2021 at 15:54:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have tons of old emails I search on occasion, so I\'m sticking with
Eudora. It may not be pretty by today\'s standards, but it works and
keeps working on everything I\'ve had from Win 95 to Win 10! Never lost
an email!

I used Eudora until a few years ago when my service provider insisted on
using an encryption standard that Eudora didn\'t support. I now use
Thunderbird (on Linux Mint Mate). However, when my wife wanted to upgrade
computers I discovered that there has been a recent patch for Eudora
which supports more recent encryption, so she is still using it.
Long ago Eudora pissed me off because it *grossly* mishandled attachments.
It stripped them out and kept them in a separate directory with the
attachment\'s name.

Yes, if two email messages has attachments \"untitled.doc\", only one was
retained!

My experience is that the second attachment is renamed with a \'1\' appended or
\"_1\" or the like. I have some files with very high numbers, but it changes
the number in the email to match.

There are many issues with Eudora, mostly small and often related to the use
of Internet Explorer for HTML rendering. That was one of the first things
Hermes was to fix.

My experience with Eudora demonstrated two valuable things:

1) Eudora was broken in obvious ways, so the chances were
that it would be broken in subtle ways.

2) Don\'t get tied to a proprietary format. Many email clients
can use the mbox format. Even if seamonkey/thunderbird disappear,
I can still reclaim my emails.

 

[legg]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 06:58:55 -0800, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

Works here, for what it does. I use text-only
correspondence and put up with its shortcomings.

Had to pay for it when W7 came along, then pay for
2nd source SW to transfer it from one machine to
another; but there\'s 20yrs of correspondence
recorded in it now, that hasn\'t gone missing at
any time, through 3 simultaneous ISPs.

What\'s your specific problem?

RL

 

[legg]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 06:58:55 -0800, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

Works here, for what it does. I use text-only
correspondence and put up with its shortcomings.

Had to pay for it when W7 came along, then pay for
2nd source SW to transfer it from one machine to
another; but there\'s 20yrs of correspondence
recorded in it now, that hasn\'t gone missing at
any time, through 3 simultaneous ISPs.

What\'s your specific problem?

RL

 

[legg]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 06:58:55 -0800, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

Works here, for what it does. I use text-only
correspondence and put up with its shortcomings.

Had to pay for it when W7 came along, then pay for
2nd source SW to transfer it from one machine to
another; but there\'s 20yrs of correspondence
recorded in it now, that hasn\'t gone missing at
any time, through 3 simultaneous ISPs.

What\'s your specific problem?

RL

 

[Simon S Aysdie]

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 6:59:05 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

It does most everything wrong.

Just in case nobody noticed.

They are trying to push you to Teams. <argh> lol