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[John Larkin]

On 23 Oct 2019 09:16:09 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com>
wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote...

The microwave dishes are astounding. ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?raw=1

Unfortunately, when you Google, Monkey Brains Dish, you get ...
dishes of monkey brains, uggh!

Don't like foreign food?

Monkey Brains is our provider. They are great. If something ever goes
wrong, they get a guy here in half an hour. I think they walk.

Here's the dish on our roof:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/maf12qoae6204tp/Mikrotik.JPG?dl=0

and a similar one on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Mikrotik-Light-Integrated-Polarization-Antenna/dp/B01DAHX2J0/ref=sr_1_26?keywords=mikrotik+dish&qid=1571861583&sr=8-26


That would sound like a bargain to me for $1000.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
news:m9t0retirqlve4nb60stoqq4hm5d3389sd@4ax.com:

There's a small village north of here that had no internet service so
one guy got a dish pair and connects to the other side of Bodega Bay,
and provides data for his neighbors.

Far out.

I used to climb phone pole guy wires (hand over hand) and pull traps
off neighbors' cable feeds.

 

Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:qopuc901isj@drn.newsguy.com:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote...

The microwave dishes are astounding. ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?r
aw=1

Unfortunately, when you Google, Monkey Brains Dish, you get ...
dishes of monkey brains, uggh!

Start by selecting 'images' in google page before entering ther
search criteria Then try "Monkey Brains satellite dish".

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

onsdag den 23. oktober 2019 kl. 17.52.17 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:

On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:33:23 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 23/10/2019 12:55, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qopcub$162$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 23/10/2019 11:07, gray_wolf wrote:
I need to send 40GB of photos to several people. My upload speed
is .230 MB/s. It seems to me my best bet is to mail them a flash
drive. Any tips on mailing them 1st class mail? Any problems
mailing them to Mexico and Canada? I live in Texas. Nothing
illegal just common family type images. Thanks

Upload from somewhere with a much faster connection - 230k seems
awfully slow. My rural wet string was good for 448k on ADSL and
went up to 1M when ADSL 2+ was rolled out and that is on antique
corroded copper.

You sure that was "on copper"?

Absolutely. If it was on fibre even part of the way then I would have
about 5MB like they do in the next village. And equally if there was any
aluminium copper joints in the signal path I'd be lucky to get 256k.

Oh and cable modems have ALWAYS had a slower up-fiber connection
that their down rate. Those were original choices made by the cable
provider back when motorola and they made the spec.

UK isn't strong on cable modems except in the cities. Cable TV was very
late in the UK compared to many other countries. ADSL was slow to arrive
here and for a long while was limited to 2Mbps down 448k up.

We have microwave service at work, for internet and phones. It's line
of sight to another dish maybe 1/4 mile away. We pay for 50+50 mbps
and get close to 500+500.

To get fiber, we would have had to pay to dig up a block of sidewalk.

The microwave dishes are astounding. The pair has RJ45s and acts like
a piece of CAT6 at 1 GBPS. The pair of dishes costs something
incredible like $140.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?raw=1


There's a small village north of here that had no internet service so
one guy got a dish pair and connects to the other side of Bodega Bay,
and provides data for his neighbors.

that is basically how cable tv started, Leroy E. "Ed" Parsons put a large
antenna on top of a hotel and ran a coax to his home because his wife wanted
to watch TV. TV got popular and he started distributed the signal via coax to other homes for a fee

 

[bitrex]

On 10/23/19 2:07 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 6:07:07 AM UTC-4, gray_wolf wrote:
I need to send 40GB of photos to several people. My upload speed is .230 MB/s.
It seems to me my best bet is to mail them a flash drive. Any tips on mailing them
1st class mail? Any problems mailing them to Mexico and Canada? I live in Texas.
Nothing illegal just common family type images.
Thanks

Wow, that's 44 hours of upload time. Still not inconceivable. However, it's still a bear even with typical higher speed connections like 10 or even 100 Mbps. Your speed is actually 2 Mbps, so at the low end, but not ridiculous.

I was going to suggest you use the link at your local library or coffee shop, but unless they have a seriously high speed link you would still be there for hours.

Yeah, for 40 GB I suspect the flash card or USB drive is best. A 64 GB SD card can be mailed between two pieces of card stock (cereal box cardboard) in an envelope. Use one of those rather small envelopes or it might end up weighing more than the base 1 oz. Also, use tape to seal the two cards together so the SD card won't slide out from between them.

40GB of "family photos"? Is that compressed? That's a lotta family photos.

In any case 44 hour upload is unpleasant but not unheard of like when we
had to upload ah, not-a-video-game over a 2400 modem to a buddy back in
the day. Run it from a second PC and just let it go. DSL or satellite
way more reliable than an analog modem, too. Moooom put down the phone
goddamn!!!

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:Ii7sF.147304$LA2.120352@fx04.iad:

40GB of "family photos"? Is that compressed? That's a lotta family
photos.

Photos (image files) are typically the most non compressible data file
there is. So 40GB of photo files is likely only 35GB 'compressed'.
Not worth the time some would argue.

 

[Phil Allison]

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

-------------------------------------------

Photos (image files) are typically the most non compressible data file
there is. So 40GB of photo files is likely only 35GB 'compressed'.
Not worth the time some would argue.

** Giant huh ??

Image files are JPEGS so easily re-sized with some los.

Likely the OP has files straight from camera or mobile phone which are huge - like 4 to 10MB.

A good family pic only needs a tenth of that.



...... Phil

 

[bitrex]

On 10/23/19 10:02 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:Ii7sF.147304$LA2.120352@fx04.iad:

40GB of "family photos"? Is that compressed? That's a lotta family
photos.


Photos (image files) are typically the most non compressible data file
there is. So 40GB of photo files is likely only 35GB 'compressed'.
Not worth the time some would argue.

"Hmm...these family photos all seem to be of Russian submarine pens in
Murmansk down to a quarter meter resolution!"

"Yes, yes sir that is correct I am descended from a proud line of
nuclear attack submarines."

 

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fb1d8b8c-3429-455f-b0fe-1927bcb42058@googlegroups.com:

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

-------------------------------------------



Photos (image files) are typically the most non compressible data
file there is. So 40GB of photo files is likely only 35GB
'compressed'. Not worth the time some would argue.


** Giant huh ??

Image files are JPEGS so easily re-sized with some los.

He did not say resolution degrading resizing. He said COMPRESSION,
as in trying to make the amount of data uploaded less, without ANY
degradation of the original files.

Likely the OP has files straight from camera or mobile phone which
are huge - like 4 to 10MB.

A good family pic only needs a tenth of that.


Naaahh... I have pics that are 15MB raw.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 23/10/2019 16:03, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qopobj$1n6r$1@gioia.aioe.org:

Absolutely. If it was on fibre even part of the way then I would
have about 5MB like they do in the next village. And equally if
there was any aluminium copper joints in the signal path I'd be
lucky to get 256k.

Cannot aggree.

You don't know what you are talking about. ISDN was 128k as 2x 64k
bonded pairs. I had that for a while before ADSL became available.

BT hobbled ADSL to 2MB initially because they didn't want to undercut
their highly lucrative and misnamed business kilostream leased line
(which only got you a 64k digital fixed line point to point connection).

They are still just about selling it to suckers (ends 1st April 2020).
https://www.btwholesale.com/products-and-services/data/kilostream.html

ADSL from the get go was digital, and that meant ISDN from your first
hop out and back. So *your* last link drop was copper, but the first
switch house it hit was ISDN and fiber from that point forward. That
started (being put in) in 1988.

ADSL is digital *at* the exchange with fibre backhaul but there is just
very old copper wire from the exchange to my house. I know this for a
fact. There have been plenty of line breaks along it over the years due
to falling trees, hedge flailers and mechanical diggers finding the
cables. My rural line is a little unusual in that there are no cabinets
between me and the exchange. BT designate it an exchange only line (ie
there is no cabinet number). That is how they do it out in the sticks.

Normal UK town and city telecoms configuration is they run stuff out to
a cabinet (which when fibre to cabinet is available needs mains power
but is otherwise just a passive set of interconnects between cables).

There was a scheme to run fibre to remote node which was intended to be
a powered micro cabinet to serve small villages but it sank without
trace since there was no way they could make money by installing it.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

On 23/10/2019 16:52, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:33:23 +0100, Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 23/10/2019 12:55, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qopcub$162$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 23/10/2019 11:07, gray_wolf wrote:
I need to send 40GB of photos to several people. My upload speed
is .230 MB/s. It seems to me my best bet is to mail them a flash
drive. Any tips on mailing them 1st class mail? Any problems
mailing them to Mexico and Canada? I live in Texas. Nothing
illegal just common family type images. Thanks

Upload from somewhere with a much faster connection - 230k seems
awfully slow. My rural wet string was good for 448k on ADSL and
went up to 1M when ADSL 2+ was rolled out and that is on antique
corroded copper.

You sure that was "on copper"?

Absolutely. If it was on fibre even part of the way then I would have
about 5MB like they do in the next village. And equally if there was any
aluminium copper joints in the signal path I'd be lucky to get 256k.

Oh and cable modems have ALWAYS had a slower up-fiber connection
that their down rate. Those were original choices made by the cable
provider back when motorola and they made the spec.

UK isn't strong on cable modems except in the cities. Cable TV was very
late in the UK compared to many other countries. ADSL was slow to arrive
here and for a long while was limited to 2Mbps down 448k up.

We have microwave service at work, for internet and phones. It's line
of sight to another dish maybe 1/4 mile away. We pay for 50+50 mbps
and get close to 500+500.

That is available where I live too. But I get caught by the strict line
of sight requirement hills and trees in the way. To install a booster
node I would have to find at least 5 others wanting fast internet. Our
village hall (which I run) has strict line of sight to a node so I can
connect to that and get a much faster connect if I need to.

To get fiber, we would have had to pay to dig up a block of sidewalk.

Where I live there is no mains gas nor any kind of cable anything beyond
classic prehistoric overhead POTS wiring which has long since run out of
working line pairs. They break a working circuit every other time they
fix a broken one. It is that fragile!

Lack of mains gas and overhead wired phone and electricity is a very
good proxy in the UK for having stone age wet string wired internet.

The microwave dishes are astounding. The pair has RJ45s and acts like
a piece of CAT6 at 1 GBPS. The pair of dishes costs something
incredible like $140.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?raw=1

The ones on offer locally are not that fast. The basic cheap consumer
service is 20MB each way and then 200MB but that gets a bit pricey. BT
admits defeat here and have offered some ADSL customers I know a cut
price deal on 4G based internet service from their mobile network.

There's a small village north of here that had no internet service so
one guy got a dish pair and connects to the other side of Bodega Bay,
and provides data for his neighbors.

That is how our local microwave service started in the village where
there is 1960's corroded aluminium to copper joints rectifying all the
RF ADSL signals into harmonic distortion oblivion. Getting a 256k
downlink there on ADSL is something of a challenge. BT bust a gut to
install FTTC there to cut the legs off the microwave guys but by then
the farmers had all bought in and have dishes mounted high up on the
apex of their barns to get clear line of sight. Capital cost is higher
but it seems pretty reliable once it is aligned and working.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:qorm2o
$8dd$1@gioia.aioe.org:

but there is just
very old copper wire from the exchange to my house.

That is what *I* said, idiot.

 

[bitrex]

On 10/23/19 11:04 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

-------------------------------------------



Photos (image files) are typically the most non compressible data file
there is. So 40GB of photo files is likely only 35GB 'compressed'.
Not worth the time some would argue.


** Giant huh ??

Image files are JPEGS so easily re-sized with some los.

Likely the OP has files straight from camera or mobile phone which are huge - like 4 to 10MB.

A good family pic only needs a tenth of that.



..... Phil

Hmm, these family photos seem to be videos and they all are about
somebody named "Daddy Bear." Yikes, this doesn't seem like appropriate
parenting at all!!

 

[speff]

On Wednesday, 23 October 2019 18:07:07 UTC+8, gray_wolf wrote:

I need to send 40GB of photos to several people. My upload speed is .230 MB/s.
It seems to me my best bet is to mail them a flash drive. Any tips on mailing them
1st class mail? Any problems mailing them to Mexico and Canada? I live in Texas.
Nothing illegal just common family type images.
Thanks

No problem to Canada unless some duckhead decides to inspect for illegal images, in which case it might be slightly delayed. Choose your description accordingly.

--
Spehro Pefhan

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-10-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 23/10/2019 16:03, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qopobj$1n6r$1@gioia.aioe.org:

Absolutely. If it was on fibre even part of the way then I would
have about 5MB like they do in the next village. And equally if
there was any aluminium copper joints in the signal path I'd be
lucky to get 256k.

Cannot aggree.

You don't know what you are talking about. ISDN was 128k as 2x 64k
bonded pairs. I had that for a while before ADSL became available.

That's ISDN PRI, which is not the only kind of ISDN, I think he
actually means BISDN

--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 25/10/2019 06:52, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2019-10-24, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 23/10/2019 16:03, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:qopobj$1n6r$1@gioia.aioe.org:

Absolutely. If it was on fibre even part of the way then I would
have about 5MB like they do in the next village. And equally if
there was any aluminium copper joints in the signal path I'd be
lucky to get 256k.

Cannot aggree.

You don't know what you are talking about. ISDN was 128k as 2x 64k
bonded pairs. I had that for a while before ADSL became available.

That's ISDN PRI, which is not the only kind of ISDN, I think he
actually means BISDN

Even so ISDN was pretty much phased out in the UK when SystemX&Y
concentrators were retired. It is now BT 21CN MSAN to IP backhaul.

https://kitz.co.uk/adsl/21cn_network.htm

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

gray_wolf wrote:

On 10/23/2019 8:22 AM, Winfield Hill wrote:
gray_wolf wrote...

If you know the recipients can handle them then SD card
cuts the size and weight down to something you can
include inside a Christmas card.

Martin, Thanks for the reply! I thought about the SD cards.

Some USB drives are really thin. The Kingston Digital
DataTraveler SE9 has a strong metal case, costs only $6.



Thanks! That looks just the ticket. Don't suppose the post office
would kill it?

Use brown envelopes. White envelopes go into the mail sorting machines
where letters move around 270 degree turns on belt pulleys.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-10-23, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote...

The microwave dishes are astounding. ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4kz2j7ikii3b0z/Monkey_Brains_Dish.JPG?raw=1

Unfortunately, when you Google, Monkey Brains Dish, you get ...
dishes of monkey brains, uggh!

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22monkeybrains%22+antenna&tbm=isch

--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-10-23, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote:

gray_wolf wrote...

If you know the recipients can handle them then SD card
cuts the size and weight down to something you can
include inside a Christmas card.

Martin, Thanks for the reply! I thought about the SD cards.

Some USB drives are really thin. The Kingston Digital
DataTraveler SE9 has a strong metal case, costs only $6.

if you omit the usb shell they are even thinner

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Chip-in-USB_60665911987.html
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/USB-Key_538053457.html


--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2019-10-23, gray_wolf <g_wolf@howling_mad.com> wrote:

On 10/23/2019 5:42 AM, Rob wrote:
gray_wolf <g_wolf@howling_mad.com> wrote:
I need to send 40GB of photos to several people. My upload speed is .230 MB/s.
It seems to me my best bet is to mail them a flash drive. Any tips on mailing them
1st class mail? Any problems mailing them to Mexico and Canada? I live in Texas.
Nothing illegal just common family type images.
Thanks

Often people's download speed is much higher than upload.
In cases like this, files are often uploaded to some cloud storage
or file transfer service, so you need to upload it only once, you
can send them an e-mail containing the required info to download
the files.
Of course 40GB is still an appreciable amount of data, some people
may have download caps that prevent them from downloading it.
You can consider to shrink the photos using one of the available
programs that can do this. Today people often have photos in native
camera resolution that take several MB per photo, while a simple
snapshot for family usage can be compressed to 200kB easily without anyone
noticing. When you upload both versions as a separate collection,
those that want high quality can download the large one.

Mailing flash drives in a normal envelope usually leads to disaster,
due to mechanical processing of the mail. You will need to mail
them in a sturdy envelope (carton, tyvek) and be sure it is handled
as a package, not a letter.


Rob, Thanks for your reply! My down load speed is 2.7 MB/s on a fast connection.
Thankfully I don't upload much. I did spend 36 hours sending some stuff to my
brother's NAS ftp server. Got some mail from Google Fiber yesterday saying high
speed fiber is coming but didn't give a firm date.

That's what I was looking for safe packaging info. I only need to send three
at the moment. The thought occurred that perhaps I could rent some tine on a fast
ftp server but search didn't turn up any thing. Thanks again.

one of these might suit your needs:

rapidshare.com, deposifiles.com, mega.nz, sendowl.com, wetransfer.com.

--
When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.