OT: Why Is COVID-19 Different?

[Tom Del Rosso]

Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple. From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.

No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think personal
economic ruin is a serious threat.

You and I have money in the bank. Many others are borrowing from credit
cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

It would help a lot if property tax was waived so landlord's would be
able to waive the rent, but the lefties who run the local governments
with the worst property taxes are not the kind who would consider doing
that.

A surgeon can stand over your open chest cavity spewing bacteria from
his mouth because he wears a mask. People can go back to normal
activity if they continue to wear masks and keep clean.

I doubt you're going to get much higher agreement than
that. There are always going to be an assortment of deniers with
various
motives, ignoramuses, people who believe in conspiracy theories,
people
that want to try to make it a political issue, etc.

If people disagree about something then it IS a political issue. The
left simply has no tolerance for disagreement.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 12:41:46 PM UTC+10, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple. From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.

No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think personal
economic ruin is a serious threat.

In Australia lock down - and the associated contact tracing - has been done right. The number of new cases per day is down by a factor of twenty from the peak, and mainly now involves people who should have known better.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

It took about about of lock-down to do it, and that lock down is now being being relaxed, in small steps.

The lock down created a lot of unemployment but the federal government doubled the unemployment benefit overnight, and offered a "job-keeper" payment to employers so that they could keep employees on the books - and being paid - while they couldn't go in to work. It's costing a lot of money, but it won't go on for long.

Personal economic ruin has largely been avoided. The political party that has done this is right-of-centre, not left-of-centre, and really didn't want to spend the money, but does have enough grasp of reality to appreciate that it is necessary.

You and I have money in the bank. Many others are borrowing from credit
cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

If the government imposes a lock-down, it has an obligation to do it right, so that it has the effect intended. The US doesn't seem to have managed that.

It also has an obligation to stop people from going broke in consequence , which Trump and his crew don't seem to want to recognise.

<snip>

If people disagree about something then it IS a political issue. The
left simply has no tolerance for disagreement.

The left wing is all about debate and getting things right.

The right - as manifested by Trump's performance - is all about doing too little too late, and badly.

There's not a lot of tolerance on the left for wishful thinking. The right doesn't seem to know how to do any other kind.

--
Bill Sloman, sydney

 

[Ricky C]

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple. From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.


No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think personal
economic ruin is a serious threat.

You and I have money in the bank. Many others are borrowing from credit
cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

It would help a lot if property tax was waived so landlord's would be
able to waive the rent, but the lefties who run the local governments
with the worst property taxes are not the kind who would consider doing
that.

A surgeon can stand over your open chest cavity spewing bacteria from
his mouth because he wears a mask. People can go back to normal
activity if they continue to wear masks and keep clean.

I don't think you will find any health professionals who agree with you. The hospitals are taking much more effective measures than just wearing a mask and surgery uses infinitely more preventive measures than just wearing a mask. Meanwhile healthcare professionals are catching this disease and dying. That's why they were present during some of the anti-shutdown protests.

If the states waive property taxes the states have to bear the burden. Once they declare bankruptcy as Pence recommends they won't be able to get loans through bonds and will have to raise income taxes hugely to compensate for the lost revenue and to deal with the added expenses.

There's no free lunch. The real problem is that we aren't doing enough to fight this disease. As some have pointed out not all countries that have all but licked their portion of the pandemic have used shutdowns and stay at home orders. But they have all used widespread testing and contact tracing. We still can't do that because our numbers are so high.

One thing I know is that if someone else is doing well with something and you aren't, it's a good idea to understand why. New Orleans was hit early and hard, but seems to be significantly on the mend unlike the vast majority of states.

We can throw in the towel and give in to the disease. I just think surrendering to the enemy when the fight has just begun is very much a show of cowardice and not very American!

I guess we disagree on that.

--

Rick C.

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On Fri, 1 May 2020 17:42:28 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:46:41 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It's arguable how many light-skinned lives will be saved by shutting
down the world economy; it might even be zero or negative. But the
side effects of our shutdowns will probably kill millions in the
poorest countries.

How? Firstly, no one 'shuts down the world economy', I'm still shopping,
paying bills, taxes, etc. Shutdowns don't stop 'the poorest countries'
from having food (countries that don't have lots of currency wealth live
on homegrown foods), it doesn't destroy housing, and clothing can last a few
months, so it isn't food/clothing/shelter. How does death occur?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-27/covid-19-threatens-to-starve-africa

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-africa-hunger-feat/africa-faces-hunger-pandemic-as-coronavirus-destroys-jobs-and-fuels-poverty-idUSKCN22629V

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/africa/coronavirus-hunger-crisis.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/africa/coronavirus-famine-un-warning-intl/index.html




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 12:24:54 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology..com wrote:

On Fri, 1 May 2020 17:42:28 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 9:46:41 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It's arguable how many light-skinned lives will be saved by shutting
down the world economy; it might even be zero or negative. But the
side effects of our shutdowns will probably kill millions in the
poorest countries.

How? Firstly, no one 'shuts down the world economy', I'm still shopping,
paying bills, taxes, etc. Shutdowns don't stop 'the poorest countries'
from having food (countries that don't have lots of currency wealth live
on homegrown foods), it doesn't destroy housing, and clothing can last a few
months, so it isn't food/clothing/shelter. How does death occur?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-27/covid-19-threatens-to-starve-africa

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-africa-hunger-feat/africa-faces-hunger-pandemic-as-coronavirus-destroys-jobs-and-fuels-poverty-idUSKCN22629V

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/africa/coronavirus-hunger-crisis..html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/africa/coronavirus-famine-un-warning-intl/index.html

Never let a good crisis go to waste. If you are in business of soliciting charitable contributions to help countries in Africa, Covid19 is a golden opportunity.

Anecdotal evidence is much easier and cheaper to find that population wide evidence of actual or incipient hunger, and you can start raising money long before anybody is actually starving.

John Larkin and James Arthur are very fond of the idea that people should get back to work - and make money for them - even if there is a risk that it could kill them. They seems willing to lie (or at least to deceive themselves) about the risks of doing that in order to encourage more people to get back to work. It's not attractive behaviour.

If enough people took them seriously, the Covid-19 epidemic could get bad enough to kill them too, which would be gratifying, but nowhere near gratifying enough to justify the deaths of all the other people who would die at the same time.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Ricky C wrote:

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple. From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.


No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think
personal economic ruin is a serious threat.

You and I have money in the bank. Many others are borrowing from
credit cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

It would help a lot if property tax was waived so landlord's would be
able to waive the rent, but the lefties who run the local governments
with the worst property taxes are not the kind who would consider
doing that.

A surgeon can stand over your open chest cavity spewing bacteria from
his mouth because he wears a mask. People can go back to normal
activity if they continue to wear masks and keep clean.

I don't think you will find any health professionals who agree with
you. The hospitals are taking much more effective measures than just
wearing a mask and surgery uses infinitely more preventive measures
than just wearing a mask. Meanwhile healthcare professionals are
catching this disease and dying. That's why they were present during
some of the anti-shutdown protests.

We can take extra measures for the elderly. Supermarkets can deliver to
them after wiping down everything before it goes on the truck. I think
there would be less opportunity to transmit the virus that way. But
other people simply must go back to work even if it costs lives.

If the states waive property taxes the states have to bear the
burden. Once they declare bankruptcy as Pence recommends they won't
be able to get loans through bonds and will have to raise income
taxes hugely to compensate for the lost revenue and to deal with the
added expenses.

They just have to stop paying the civil servants who aren't working
anyway, and their absurd pensions too. Other people are going without.
Of course this wouldn't be necessary if people go back to work, but
paying the public sector and not the private sector, while there is no
production going on, should never have been considered an option.

There's no free lunch. The real problem is that we aren't doing
enough to fight this disease. As some have pointed out not all
countries that have all but licked their portion of the pandemic have
used shutdowns and stay at home orders. But they have all used
widespread testing and contact tracing. We still can't do that
because our numbers are so high.

If our cell infrastructure has the ability to do contact tracing it
would meet more resistance here on civil liberties grounds. For whatever
reason it seems we can't.

One thing I know is that if someone else is doing well with something
and you aren't, it's a good idea to understand why. New Orleans was
hit early and hard, but seems to be significantly on the mend unlike
the vast majority of states.

It would be good to know why 50-80% of doctors in other countries use
the drugs (whose spellings I would have to look up) but only 27% of
doctors here use them.

We can throw in the towel and give in to the disease. I just think
surrendering to the enemy when the fight has just begun is very much
a show of cowardice and not very American!

I guess we disagree on that.

It's not a surrender. It's a halt of retreat. We're acting out of fear
now. Honestly, the logic of the left is often inverted.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:24:45 PM UTC+10, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Ricky C wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Whoey Louie wrote:

<snip>

> It's not a surrender. It's a halt of retreat.

You are giving up on what should have been an effective strategy (and has been in other countries) because you are too incompetent to make it effective.

> We're acting out of fear now.

A perfectly rational desire not to let Covid-19 kill too many people.

You don't desire that outcome enough to do effective lock down or adequate contact tracing, so you have decided that you are willing to sacrifice a lot more lives to get the economy going again.

> Honestly, the logic of the left is often inverted.

Your comprehension of the arguments leaves a lot to be desired. The problem here isn't what the left wants, but what your decidedly right-wing government has failed to do thoroughly enough or competently enough to have had the desired effect.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:24:45 AM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Ricky C wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple. From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.


No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think
personal economic ruin is a serious threat.

You and I have money in the bank. Many others are borrowing from
credit cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

It would help a lot if property tax was waived so landlord's would be
able to waive the rent, but the lefties who run the local governments
with the worst property taxes are not the kind who would consider
doing that.

A surgeon can stand over your open chest cavity spewing bacteria from
his mouth because he wears a mask. People can go back to normal
activity if they continue to wear masks and keep clean.

I don't think you will find any health professionals who agree with
you. The hospitals are taking much more effective measures than just
wearing a mask and surgery uses infinitely more preventive measures
than just wearing a mask. Meanwhile healthcare professionals are
catching this disease and dying. That's why they were present during
some of the anti-shutdown protests.

We can take extra measures for the elderly. Supermarkets can deliver to
them after wiping down everything before it goes on the truck. I think
there would be less opportunity to transmit the virus that way. But
other people simply must go back to work even if it costs lives.

Your "extra measures" is not going to do the trick. We are already seeing this disease take off in nursing homes where not only are people dependent on others for care, they have no way to fending for themselves. From the Washington post a few days ago...

"Data released Wednesday evening showed that half of Maryland’s confirmed covid-19-related deaths and more than a fifth of its cases were linked to skilled-nursing facilities. That is a higher percentage than in California, where about 30 percent of deaths have been linked to nursing facilities, and in New York, where the figure is about 20 percent."

The people who care for those in nursing homes, assisted living or even just independent living, like my friend, have to rely on outside help for many things. Every contact is an opportunity for infection. If this disease is rampant in the general population it will be exceedingly hard to keep it out of any part of the population.

I agree completely that people need to go back to work. But not until the disease is under control. In most of the US it is still on the increase or at a constant rate of new infections. This is no time to take the lid off and let the disease run amuck.

If the states waive property taxes the states have to bear the
burden. Once they declare bankruptcy as Pence recommends they won't
be able to get loans through bonds and will have to raise income
taxes hugely to compensate for the lost revenue and to deal with the
added expenses.

They just have to stop paying the civil servants who aren't working
anyway, and their absurd pensions too. Other people are going without.
Of course this wouldn't be necessary if people go back to work, but
paying the public sector and not the private sector, while there is no
production going on, should never have been considered an option.

Pensions are "absurd"??? I forget, which country are you from? I can't say I agree with your point. It sounds very emotional to me.

I admit this is not impacting me at all financially and none of my friends are impacted financially. They are all still working, just from home. It's not like the country has stopped in its tracks and every process has stopped.

If you want to see what happens when people work during a pandemic, look at the meat packing plants in the US. Many have become infested with this disease and management has shut them down to preserve their workers! The workers don't want to go back to work. Every poll I've seen has said in the US the majority supports the shut down.

There's no free lunch. The real problem is that we aren't doing
enough to fight this disease. As some have pointed out not all
countries that have all but licked their portion of the pandemic have
used shutdowns and stay at home orders. But they have all used
widespread testing and contact tracing. We still can't do that
because our numbers are so high.

If our cell infrastructure has the ability to do contact tracing it
would meet more resistance here on civil liberties grounds. For whatever
reason it seems we can't.

Of course it can. Technology is great stuff, but we need to be willing to do the right things with it. People are too paranoid about it. We are in the middle of a census right now. What can they do with a cell phone that is any more invasive than that? Same principle, "where are you?" all day long, a continuous census.

To be honest, I don't give a damn about people's civil liberties during a pandemic that is killing people. In the time I took to write this 100 more people in the US were infected and another six died. This is a national disaster and we suspend people's rights during an emergency.

One thing I know is that if someone else is doing well with something
and you aren't, it's a good idea to understand why. New Orleans was
hit early and hard, but seems to be significantly on the mend unlike
the vast majority of states.

It would be good to know why 50-80% of doctors in other countries use
the drugs (whose spellings I would have to look up) but only 27% of
doctors here use them.

Should I assume you are in the US? I don't really care. The drugs may help some people. It is up to the doctors to decide what is valid treatment. The statistics you cite may or may not indicate a problem and the question is which group has the problem? Doctors in the East still use traditional remedies. Should we be using them too? How about if we do what works?

We can throw in the towel and give in to the disease. I just think
surrendering to the enemy when the fight has just begun is very much
a show of cowardice and not very American!

I guess we disagree on that.

It's not a surrender. It's a halt of retreat. We're acting out of fear
now.

Fear is an important response, it keeps us from doing stupid things.

> Honestly, the logic of the left is often inverted.

What is "left" about wanting to limit the harm of this disease? When did medicine become a matter of politics? I think I see the source of your inability to understand the issues involved. You are thinking this is a political discussion.

Isolating and limiting the spread of the disease is fighting, not retreat. The action you support is walking directly into fierce gunfire like Pickett's Charge. If you wish to commit suicide, please do so in a manner less inconvenient to others. I don't wish to be one of the captured, wounded, killed or MIA of this disease and I don't like the idea of you dragging me down with you.

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 10:07:11 PM UTC+10, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:900c954c-2bf8-4b35-9b18-b5e5d6feca40@googlegroups.com:

Your comprehension of the arguments leaves a lot to be desired.

You constantly assessing folks is a failure on your part in so many
cases. You thinking you have the capacity to make such assessments
makes it even worse.

If you think that Tom Del Rosso knows what he is talking about, you haven't been paying attention. Your opinion of my capacities isn't exactly unbiased either - it may make you feel good, but that's all it's good for.

The problem here isn't what the left wants, but what your
decidedly right-wing government has failed to do thoroughly enough
or competently enough to have had the desired effect.

Every now and then Bill does get something right. That is spot on.

Every now and then Decadent Linux User does show some sign of sense, which puts him up in the Phil Allison class - is is a compliment, though not an extravagant one.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:900c954c-2bf8-4b35-9b18-b5e5d6feca40@googlegroups.com:

> Your comprehension of the arguments leaves a lot to be desired.

You constantly assessing folks is a failure on your part in so many
cases. You thinking you have the capacity to make such assessments
makes it even worse.

The problem here isn't what the left wants, but what your
decidedly right-wing government has failed to do thoroughly enough
or competently enough to have had the desired effect.

Every now and then Bill does get something right. That is spot on.

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:50b47b97-8d68-4957-95c4-92b0ef284dc1@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 10:07:11 PM UTC+10,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:900c954c-2bf8-4b35-9b18-b5e5d6feca40@googlegroups.com:

Your comprehension of the arguments leaves a lot to be desired.

You constantly assessing folks is a failure on your part in so
many
cases. You thinking you have the capacity to make such
assessments makes it even worse.

If you think that Tom Del Rosso knows what he is talking about,
you haven't been paying attention. Your opinion of my capacities
isn't exactly unbiased either - it may make you feel good, but
that's all it's good for.

The problem here isn't what the left wants, but what your
decidedly right-wing government has failed to do thoroughly
enough or competently enough to have had the desired effect.

Every now and then Bill does get something right. That is spot
on.

Every now and then Decadent Linux User does show some sign of
sense, which puts him up in the Phil Allison class - is is a
compliment, though not an extravagant one.

We badly needed and still do:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFJ_oaG4nw>

This is what happened through the lens of one observational vector:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rl4c-jr7g0>

 

[bitrex]

On 5/4/2020 2:24 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Ricky C wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple. From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.


No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think
personal economic ruin is a serious threat.

You and I have money in the bank. Many others are borrowing from
credit cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

It would help a lot if property tax was waived so landlord's would be
able to waive the rent, but the lefties who run the local governments
with the worst property taxes are not the kind who would consider
doing that.

A surgeon can stand over your open chest cavity spewing bacteria from
his mouth because he wears a mask. People can go back to normal
activity if they continue to wear masks and keep clean.

I don't think you will find any health professionals who agree with
you. The hospitals are taking much more effective measures than just
wearing a mask and surgery uses infinitely more preventive measures
than just wearing a mask. Meanwhile healthcare professionals are
catching this disease and dying. That's why they were present during
some of the anti-shutdown protests.

We can take extra measures for the elderly. Supermarkets can deliver to
them after wiping down everything before it goes on the truck. I think
there would be less opportunity to transmit the virus that way. But
other people simply must go back to work even if it costs lives.


If the states waive property taxes the states have to bear the
burden. Once they declare bankruptcy as Pence recommends they won't
be able to get loans through bonds and will have to raise income
taxes hugely to compensate for the lost revenue and to deal with the
added expenses.

They just have to stop paying the civil servants who aren't working
anyway, and their absurd pensions too. Other people are going without.
Of course this wouldn't be necessary if people go back to work, but
paying the public sector and not the private sector, while there is no
production going on, should never have been considered an option.


There's no free lunch. The real problem is that we aren't doing
enough to fight this disease. As some have pointed out not all
countries that have all but licked their portion of the pandemic have
used shutdowns and stay at home orders. But they have all used
widespread testing and contact tracing. We still can't do that
because our numbers are so high.

If our cell infrastructure has the ability to do contact tracing it
would meet more resistance here on civil liberties grounds. For whatever
reason it seems we can't.


One thing I know is that if someone else is doing well with something
and you aren't, it's a good idea to understand why. New Orleans was
hit early and hard, but seems to be significantly on the mend unlike
the vast majority of states.

It would be good to know why 50-80% of doctors in other countries use
the drugs (whose spellings I would have to look up) but only 27% of
doctors here use them.


We can throw in the towel and give in to the disease. I just think
surrendering to the enemy when the fight has just begun is very much
a show of cowardice and not very American!

I guess we disagree on that.

It's not a surrender. It's a halt of retreat. We're acting out of fear
now. Honestly, the logic of the left is often inverted.

The American Right seems united in many respects other than disagreement
between the major factions on which members of the American Right are
the useful idiots.

Is the business-focused economic-right using white nationalists? Are the
white nationalists using the Evangelicals? are the Evangelicals using
the economic-right? Kind of like an amicable Mexican standoff seems
like, sometimes

 

[bitrex]

On 5/2/2020 11:54 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 12:41:46 PM UTC+10, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple. From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.

No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think personal
economic ruin is a serious threat.

In Australia lock down - and the associated contact tracing - has been done right. The number of new cases per day is down by a factor of twenty from the peak, and mainly now involves people who should have known better.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

It took about about of lock-down to do it, and that lock down is now being being relaxed, in small steps.

The lock down created a lot of unemployment but the federal government doubled the unemployment benefit overnight, and offered a "job-keeper" payment to employers so that they could keep employees on the books - and being paid - while they couldn't go in to work. It's costing a lot of money, but it won't go on for long.

Personal economic ruin has largely been avoided. The political party that has done this is right-of-centre, not left-of-centre, and really didn't want to spend the money, but does have enough grasp of reality to appreciate that it is necessary.

You and I have money in the bank. Many others are borrowing from credit
cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

If the government imposes a lock-down, it has an obligation to do it right, so that it has the effect intended. The US doesn't seem to have managed that.

It also has an obligation to stop people from going broke in consequence , which Trump and his crew don't seem to want to recognise.

snip

If people disagree about something then it IS a political issue. The
left simply has no tolerance for disagreement.

The left wing is all about debate and getting things right.

The right - as manifested by Trump's performance - is all about doing too little too late, and badly.

There's not a lot of tolerance on the left for wishful thinking. The right doesn't seem to know how to do any other kind.

The right seems to spends most of its time wishing the left would cease
to exist and as such can't help but mention these fantasies from time to
time, but naturally gets miffed if people who aren't them disagree with
that idea.

"All we're asking for is total control of everything but you people just
can't be reasoned with!"

 

[bitrex]

On 5/2/2020 10:35 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple. From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.


No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think personal
economic ruin is a serious threat.

You and I have money in the bank. Many others are borrowing from credit
cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

It would help a lot if property tax was waived so landlord's would be
able to waive the rent, but the lefties who run the local governments
with the worst property taxes are not the kind who would consider doing
that.

A surgeon can stand over your open chest cavity spewing bacteria from
his mouth because he wears a mask. People can go back to normal
activity if they continue to wear masks and keep clean.



I doubt you're going to get much higher agreement than
that. There are always going to be an assortment of deniers with
various
motives, ignoramuses, people who believe in conspiracy theories,
people
that want to try to make it a political issue, etc.

If people disagree about something then it IS a political issue. The
left simply has no tolerance for disagreement.

Right-wing-man tends to say: "What do you think of my idea for the total
destruction of leftism, worldwide?"

"I disagree with that idea"

"Ugh, the left has NO tolerance for disagreement! you can't reason with
'em!"

 

[bitrex]

On 5/4/2020 10:12 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 5/2/2020 10:35 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Whoey Louie wrote:

I think it's simple.  From what I see, polls show 65 to 70% support
the
measures taken and do believe that Covid is a serious threat.


No, lots of people think it's a serious threat, and also think personal
economic ruin is a serious threat.

You and I have money in the bank.  Many others are borrowing from credit
cards to pay rent, and the cards are running out.

It would help a lot if property tax was waived so landlord's would be
able to waive the rent, but the lefties who run the local governments
with the worst property taxes are not the kind who would consider doing
that.

A surgeon can stand over your open chest cavity spewing bacteria from
his mouth because he wears a mask.  People can go back to normal
activity if they continue to wear masks and keep clean.



I doubt you're going to get much higher agreement than
that.  There are always going to be an assortment of deniers with
various
motives, ignoramuses, people who believe in conspiracy theories,
people
that want to try to make it a political issue, etc.

If people disagree about something then it IS a political issue.  The
left simply has no tolerance for disagreement.


Right-wing-man tends to say: "What do you think of my idea for the total
destruction of leftism, worldwide?"

"I disagree with that idea"

"Ugh, the left has NO tolerance for disagreement! you can't reason with
'em!"

or "Tolerance for different points of view", rather

 

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in news:r8ppjp$o07$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

snip

We badly needed and still do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFJ_oaG4nw

This is what happened through the lens of one observational vector:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rl4c-jr7g0