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Michael A. Terrell
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PeterD wrote:
yawn...
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Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
yawn...
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Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
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Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Arfa Daily wrote:
Then you're not a 'Three Stooges' fan?
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Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
Then you're not a 'Three Stooges' fan?
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
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Jeffrey D Angus
Guest
David Nebenzahl wrote:
Jeff
--
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
http://www.stay-connect.com
"Emoticons are the wheel chair ramps for the humor impaired."
Jeff
--
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
http://www.stay-connect.com
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PeterD
Guest
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:00:42 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Agreed, I'm going to STFU now...
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William Sommerwerck
Guest
Good. Let's all do it.
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Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
Don't forget the mentally decapitated!
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Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
Don't forget the mentally decapitated!
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
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Arfa Daily
Guest
"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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totally different from British humour, and mistakes as to the intent of a
comment, are often made on both sides. This is likely to be all the more so
for non-native English speakers. Also, it is very difficult to convey
'barbed' humour by the written word alone, and something of this type that
may be actually spoken with humourous intent, and recognised as such by
vocal intonation and facial expression, will not be so recognised when just
written, and may appear, incorrectly, to be an offensive comment. We have
seen this on here many times over the years, sometimes leading to protracted
and vicious flame wars. The simple addition of a smiley face to the piece of
text, totally eliminates this type of misconception.
Arfa
news:4ba9b8be$0$2381$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
I actually think that you are quite wrong on this one. American humour is
totally different from British humour, and mistakes as to the intent of a
comment, are often made on both sides. This is likely to be all the more so
for non-native English speakers. Also, it is very difficult to convey
'barbed' humour by the written word alone, and something of this type that
may be actually spoken with humourous intent, and recognised as such by
vocal intonation and facial expression, will not be so recognised when just
written, and may appear, incorrectly, to be an offensive comment. We have
seen this on here many times over the years, sometimes leading to protracted
and vicious flame wars. The simple addition of a smiley face to the piece of
text, totally eliminates this type of misconception.
Arfa
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Arfa Daily
Guest
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BAA296A.A7F6B970@earthlink.net...
contextual cues, so is readily appreciated as being 'with humourous intent'
Arfa
news:4BAA296A.A7F6B970@earthlink.net...
I am, yes. But when they use such phrases, it is backed up by facial andArfa Daily wrote:
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Why don't you look up the etymology of the word,
you fucking idiot?
A gyroscope isn't an insect, you moron.
Entomology (from Greek ???????, entomos, "that which is cut in pieces
or engraved/segmented", hence "insect"; and -?????, -logia[1]) is the
scientific study of insects, a branch of arthropodology.
Etymology is the study of the history of words and how their form and
meaning have changed over time.
Next time you want to insult me better have your facts straight,
cocksucker.
I'm not a cocksucker. And I was making a joke.
I think I could have handled the etymology / entomology 'play on words'
as
being a joke. That's almost like a bit of the subtle British humour that
some Americans have difficulty with. What confused me was tacking "you
moron" on the end, which seemed to make it a more of a serious statement.
Then you're not a 'Three Stooges' fan?
contextual cues, so is readily appreciated as being 'with humourous intent'
Arfa
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Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Arfa Daily wrote:
You missed the smiley!
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BAA296A.A7F6B970@earthlink.net...
Arfa Daily wrote:
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ho8vvg$iq4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
Why don't you look up the etymology of the word,
you fucking idiot?
A gyroscope isn't an insect, you moron.
Entomology (from Greek ???????, entomos, "that which is cut in pieces
or engraved/segmented", hence "insect"; and -?????, -logia[1]) is the
scientific study of insects, a branch of arthropodology.
Etymology is the study of the history of words and how their form and
meaning have changed over time.
Next time you want to insult me better have your facts straight,
cocksucker.
I'm not a cocksucker. And I was making a joke.
I think I could have handled the etymology / entomology 'play on words'
as
being a joke. That's almost like a bit of the subtle British humour that
some Americans have difficulty with. What confused me was tacking "you
moron" on the end, which seemed to make it a more of a serious statement.
Then you're not a 'Three Stooges' fan?
I am, yes. But when they use such phrases, it is backed up by facial and
contextual cues, so is readily appreciated as being 'with humourous intent'
You missed the smiley!
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
D
David Nebenzahl
Guest
On 3/24/2010 6:40 PM Arfa Daily spake thus:
And I said that humor in this medium *can* work, not that it always
does. The chance that Brits and Yanks might not catch each other's humor
doesn't disprove anything.
Perhaps good to keep in mind that all those wits and savants from the
Algonquin Round Table managed to quite successfully convey humor in the
written word, a long time before anyone ever thought of using
parentheses and colons as sideways symbols.
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You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.
- a Usenet "apology"
Nah; it's just a crutch.
And I said that humor in this medium *can* work, not that it always
does. The chance that Brits and Yanks might not catch each other's humor
doesn't disprove anything.
Perhaps good to keep in mind that all those wits and savants from the
Algonquin Round Table managed to quite successfully convey humor in the
written word, a long time before anyone ever thought of using
parentheses and colons as sideways symbols.
--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.
- a Usenet "apology"
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mm
Guest
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:30:26 -0800, David Nebenzahl
<nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
think I have, but still, I think they spent more words at it than
posters to use net do.
<nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
Maybe we should read some of their material and find out how. I don't
think I have, but still, I think they spent more words at it than
posters to use net do.
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Arfa Daily
Guest
"David Nebenzahl" <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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Whether you believe so or not David, humourous writing *is* difficult, and
beyond the skill sets of many professional writers, let alone amateur ones,
and if the simple addition of a smiley helps anyone to get a humourous point
across without causing offence to anyone with any native language, then I
fail to see what the difficulty is with that. As to whether humour in this
medium works, I never disputed that it "can" work. Some humour is universal,
and no one anywhere would have any trouble recognising it for being humour,
written or spoken, but much is subtle, or 'group-specific' - like in
something being an 'in joke' - and if people are going to try to use that
sort of humour on a medium like this, ir *is* going to get misunderstood by
many people, and quite possibly cause offence.
All I am saying is, that if anyone wants to try to convey that sort of
humour on here, and is not a 'wit' of the (apparent) stature and writing
skill of the Table members, then avoiding offence should be carefully
considered in the wording, and if the person cannot find a way of expressing
that wit in such a way that it clearly is such, then a smiley will do the
job of that lack of word skill.
Arfa
news:4baae5de$0$2375$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com...
Whether you believe so or not David, humourous writing *is* difficult, and
beyond the skill sets of many professional writers, let alone amateur ones,
and if the simple addition of a smiley helps anyone to get a humourous point
across without causing offence to anyone with any native language, then I
fail to see what the difficulty is with that. As to whether humour in this
medium works, I never disputed that it "can" work. Some humour is universal,
and no one anywhere would have any trouble recognising it for being humour,
written or spoken, but much is subtle, or 'group-specific' - like in
something being an 'in joke' - and if people are going to try to use that
sort of humour on a medium like this, ir *is* going to get misunderstood by
many people, and quite possibly cause offence.
All I am saying is, that if anyone wants to try to convey that sort of
humour on here, and is not a 'wit' of the (apparent) stature and writing
skill of the Table members, then avoiding offence should be carefully
considered in the wording, and if the person cannot find a way of expressing
that wit in such a way that it clearly is such, then a smiley will do the
job of that lack of word skill.
Arfa
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Arfa Daily
Guest
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Didn't ! Should've bunged one back at you ... Here ya go ... d;-}
Arfa
news:4BAAE26B.D0ED935B@earthlink.net...
Arfa Daily wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BAA296A.A7F6B970@earthlink.net...
Arfa Daily wrote:
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ho8vvg$iq4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
Why don't you look up the etymology of the word,
you fucking idiot?
A gyroscope isn't an insect, you moron.
Entomology (from Greek ???????, entomos, "that which is cut in
pieces
or engraved/segmented", hence "insect"; and -?????, -logia[1]) is
the
scientific study of insects, a branch of arthropodology.
Etymology is the study of the history of words and how their form
and
meaning have changed over time.
Next time you want to insult me better have your facts straight,
cocksucker.
I'm not a cocksucker. And I was making a joke.
I think I could have handled the etymology / entomology 'play on
words'
as
being a joke. That's almost like a bit of the subtle British humour
that
some Americans have difficulty with. What confused me was tacking "you
moron" on the end, which seemed to make it a more of a serious
statement.
Then you're not a 'Three Stooges' fan?
I am, yes. But when they use such phrases, it is backed up by facial and
contextual cues, so is readily appreciated as being 'with humourous
intent'
You missed the smiley!
--
Didn't ! Should've bunged one back at you ... Here ya go ... d;-}
Arfa
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Ron
Guest
On 25/03/2010 02:43, Arfa Daily wrote:
remarks and the dear reader will know what was intended. You could also
add (OII) (or is it?)
Sometimes adding a smiley lets the poster 'get away with' saying
something which would otherwise cause great offense.
Brits are well known for taking the piss out of each other, this kind of
gay badinage goes back to before Chaucer's time and is usually taken
without offence. Leftpondians generally appear to take themselves far
too seriously IMHO.
William appears to have made a simple mistake compounded by adding an
insult, and now refuses to admit it. He has in the past (on another
group) admitted to certain psychological problems which goes some way to
explaining his attitude towards other posters.
It's probably time we dropped the subject and moved on.
Some of you may find it interesting to look up the Dunning-Kruger effect
(there's a wiki article) otherwise known as Illusionary Superiority.
It`s very interesting and goes some way to explaining the behaviour of
quite a large proportion of usenet users.
All IMHO of course
Peace
Ron(UK)
There ya go, just add (WHI) after barbed, mildly critical or sarcastic"Michael A. Terrell"<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BAA296A.A7F6B970@earthlink.net...
Arfa Daily wrote:
"William Sommerwerck"<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ho8vvg$iq4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
Why don't you look up the etymology of the word,
you fucking idiot?
A gyroscope isn't an insect, you moron.
Entomology (from Greek ???????, entomos, "that which is cut in pieces
or engraved/segmented", hence "insect"; and -?????, -logia[1]) is the
scientific study of insects, a branch of arthropodology.
Etymology is the study of the history of words and how their form and
meaning have changed over time.
Next time you want to insult me better have your facts straight,
cocksucker.
I'm not a cocksucker. And I was making a joke.
I think I could have handled the etymology / entomology 'play on words'
as
being a joke. That's almost like a bit of the subtle British humour that
some Americans have difficulty with. What confused me was tacking "you
moron" on the end, which seemed to make it a more of a serious statement.
Then you're not a 'Three Stooges' fan?
I am, yes. But when they use such phrases, it is backed up by facial and
contextual cues, so is readily appreciated as being 'with humourous intent'
Arfa
remarks and the dear reader will know what was intended. You could also
add (OII) (or is it?)
Sometimes adding a smiley lets the poster 'get away with' saying
something which would otherwise cause great offense.
Brits are well known for taking the piss out of each other, this kind of
gay badinage goes back to before Chaucer's time and is usually taken
without offence. Leftpondians generally appear to take themselves far
too seriously IMHO.
William appears to have made a simple mistake compounded by adding an
insult, and now refuses to admit it. He has in the past (on another
group) admitted to certain psychological problems which goes some way to
explaining his attitude towards other posters.
It's probably time we dropped the subject and moved on.
Some of you may find it interesting to look up the Dunning-Kruger effect
(there's a wiki article) otherwise known as Illusionary Superiority.
It`s very interesting and goes some way to explaining the behaviour of
quite a large proportion of usenet users.
All IMHO of course
Peace
Ron(UK)
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William Sommerwerck
Guest
Arfa, I appreciate your attempt to intelligently and considerately smooth
over this fracas. But I neither started it, nor made it worse. The latter
was the fault of people who open their mouths before thinking -- something I
am occasionally guilty of, myself. You can spot these people by the hissing
noise as air enters their empty heads.
The difficulty, Arfa, is that I don't like having to explain my humor. Call
that unreasonable, even call that arrogant or even irresponsible, but humor
that needs explanation is not humor. I enjoy subtlety, and the pleasure of
sudden recognition. I would prefer to eat cream pies than throw them.
People conveniently forget that "you moron" was in (humorous?) respsonse to
an obscenity in the preceding post, and directed at that poster. Apparently,
it's okay for other people to say such things seriously, but I'm raked over
the coals when I do it in jestingly in response.
As for the members of the Algonquin Round Table (who apparently called
themselves The Vicious Circle)... these people were (largely) literary
humorists (Benchley, Parker, Kaufman, et al.) who wrote material that was
presumed to be intentionally funny. UseNet posts lack that context, and I
refuse to provide it with emoticons. It should also be noted that some of
these people were pretty vicious (Dorothy Parker, in particular) and
delighted in putting down others, even if only by trying to be more clever.
(Parker even said "The Round Table was just a lot of people telling jokes
and telling each other how good they were. Just a bunch of loudmouths
showing off, saving their gags for days, waiting for a chance to spring
them.... There was no truth in anything they said. It was the terrible day
of the wisecrack, so there didn't have to be any truth.")
None of you will believe this, but I have a self-deprecating sense of humor.
I used to belong to a social club in Seattle, and sat on its board of
directors. Whenever I poked fun at myself, the then-president would use it
as an excuse to dump on me. (I never asked why.) Around the third time this
happened, the other board members went for his throat, and he stopped.
Am I a chrome-plated jerk? I used to be, and I /think/ I've mostly outgrown
it. But I'm not embarrassed calling most people wit-less, because it's true
of Americans. We're seeing this right now, in the fracas over health-care
legislation. The problem isn't that there are legitimate differences over
how or even whether the health-care system should be modified, but the fact
that most Americans are unwilling to sit down and carefully consider all
sides of an issue. You cannot have a democracy in which the citizens refuse
to think! It's this knee-jerk, politically partisan reaction to everything
(from both left and right) that will eventually destroy American government
and society. We are well-along the path that Ronald Reagan set us on 30
years ago. But then, it's what Americans want, and so-richly deserve.
In closing (thank God!)... We all have to decide what sort of persons we
want to be, then make an effort to be them. I've reached the point where
it's time to stop being clever (at least among people I don't know) and
stick with being nice. I'm to here to learn, and to make constructive
suggestions. And nothing else.
I'm sure some people will have something nasty and mean-spirited to say
about this.
Guest
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:43:07 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:
Not to mention the absolute intent of the Three Stooges Concept."Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4BAA296A.A7F6B970@earthlink.net...
Arfa Daily wrote:
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ho8vvg$iq4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
Why don't you look up the etymology of the word,
you fucking idiot?
A gyroscope isn't an insect, you moron.
Entomology (from Greek ???????, entomos, "that which is cut in pieces
or engraved/segmented", hence "insect"; and -?????, -logia[1]) is the
scientific study of insects, a branch of arthropodology.
Etymology is the study of the history of words and how their form and
meaning have changed over time.
Next time you want to insult me better have your facts straight,
cocksucker.
I'm not a cocksucker. And I was making a joke.
I think I could have handled the etymology / entomology 'play on words'
as
being a joke. That's almost like a bit of the subtle British humour that
some Americans have difficulty with. What confused me was tacking "you
moron" on the end, which seemed to make it a more of a serious statement.
Then you're not a 'Three Stooges' fan?
I am, yes. But when they use such phrases, it is backed up by facial and
contextual cues, so is readily appreciated as being 'with humourous intent'
Arfa
J
Jeffrey D Angus
Guest
William Sommerwerck wrote:
comment, then the furious back-pedaling to claim it was
a joke.
Jeff
--
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
http://www.stay-connect.com
Well actually you did start this with your entomology
comment, then the furious back-pedaling to claim it was
a joke.
Jeff
--
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
http://www.stay-connect.com
J
Jeffrey D Angus
Guest
Ron wrote:
Jeff
--
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
http://www.stay-connect.com
Fascinating.
Jeff
--
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
http://www.stay-connect.com
W
William Sommerwerck
Guest
You seem to be determined to provoke me to say even more unkind things. So
be it.
If I could give you the sensation of having your mouth smashed in with a
baseball bat -- without actually doing you any physical harm -- I would do
so, because you badly need it.
Do you think I don't know the difference between entomology and etymology?
Would you like to see the dictionaries and thesauruses I keep next to my
computer, so I can look up a word? I'm working on an historical novel, and I
check the OED (Know what that is? No, of course not.) to see whether a word
was in use during the time of the story. Very handy.
So please cut the crap, huh? There aren't many people who have/had a better
vocabulary than I. (Jacques Barzun and William F. Buckley come to mind. You
probably don't even know who Barzun is.)
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Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Ron wrote:
Some of use have know Willaim for years, and know his dry sense of
humor. You should talk to him in person, or on the phone some time.
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
Some of use have know Willaim for years, and know his dry sense of
humor. You should talk to him in person, or on the phone some time.
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'