OT: Why I live in AZ instead of WV

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:13:42 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In article <ljdmg1trch3jr6oobr8fu1shsoblnfhnnq@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:34:07 GMT, Al <no.spam@wanted.com> wrote:

In article <44ekg15g3pgonp82skkkbbv6po9he966h6@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:07:16 -0500, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:7u6kg1ho626dlu82jbv2fs82f46ci058s4@4ax.com...
Why I live in AZ instead of WV....

Temperature 64.9 F (18.3 C)
Dew Point 63.0 F (17.2 C)
Relative Humidity 93%

WTF? 65 degrees is *light jacket* weather! You are officially blind Jim,
joking or not!

NOT at 93%


Tim (enjoying the mild 70°F 56% RH Wisconsin afternoon)

56% is passable ;-)

...Jim Thompson

When I lived in Montana, 100F and 10% humidity was not unheard of. You
had to walk around with your arms away from your body otherwise instant
sweat blot in your pits.

Al

Not at 100°F/10%... you don't sweat at all... you sublimate ;-)

I can believe for people used to the weather getting that hot. But I
have seen how people acclimated to colder areas can have "perspiration
overshoot" or whatever and perspire more than people acclimated to heat,
and put out persiration faster than it can evaporate from some body areas
even with impressively low humidity.

How about early season heatwaves in Philadelphia, when humidity is
usually not that high, or one of those dry warm days that sometimes
happen but early enough in the summer for at least some people to not be
acclimated to heat? I can sweat to the point of getting quite wet with
humidity as low as 15% - then again, this usually involves riding a bike
uphill on the sunny side of the street. But merely walking can have parts
of my body getting wet even with RH as low as 15% with temperatures in the
80's F on a hot especially dry April day when I am used to things being
much cooler.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Around here <=100°F AND humidity <=20% is as delightful as any
conceivable springtime day anywhere else.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <jaokg1hbrqqh1m01ranph1et8qle756c47@4ax.com>, The Real Andy wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:41:14 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Why I live in AZ instead of WV....

Current Weather Conditions:
Charleston, Yeager Airport, WV, United States
(KCRW) 38-22-46N 081-35-29W 309M
Conditions at

2005.08.22 1254 UTC
Wind Calm
Visibility 10 mile(s)
Sky conditions mostly clear
Temperature 64.9 F (18.3 C)
Dew Point 63.0 F (17.2 C)
Relative Humidity 93%
Pressure (altimeter) 30.01 in. Hg (1016 hPa)
ob KCRW 221254Z 00000KT 10SM FEW100 18/17 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP154
T01830172

More uncomfortable than AZ at 110°F!

...Jim Thompson

Try AZ's 110°F with WV's 93% relative humidity. Thats what we get here
in typical brisbane summer in au.

I suspect you are taking a humidity reading obtained at a cooler time of
the day when people are listening to the news and traffic reports, and
assuming that the relative humidity did not change much when the
temperature rose as the day progressed.

110 degrees F at 93% humidity indicates a dew point of about 107 degrees
F. The world record for atmospheric dew point is about 93 degrees F as
far as I heard, but I have heard of a few reports of 94 degrees F, all in
parts of the middle east close to the Red Sea. I have heard some people
claiming, although I believe to exaggerated and not actually measured
extent, the temperature and humidity when a light to moderate rain shower
falls on hot ground on a hot day. Beasides any confirmation of
record-bad-case from rain-dampened hot ground, I don't expect dewpoints to
get past about the mid 80's F (29-30 C) except around the Red Sea - an
unusually warm body of water even for its latitude. This means humidity
about or a little under 50% at 110 F - even if the dewpoint is more
typical of a somewhat-worse-than-average midsummer day in Port Sudan than
of a bad summer day in New Orleans.

I remember 4 PM Saturday July 15 1995 in Philadelphia, when the
temperature was 102 degrees F and the dewpoint was 82 F, which is
quite high even for the Gulf Coast at the worst time of the year. This
was absolutely freakish in Philadelphia. I suspect some especially bad,
especially northward subtropical high lazily moved its way over the
thousand or two shallow sunbaked-15-16-hours-a-day lakes of Minnesota and
Wisconsin, and then got a bit more steam from tens of millions of people
watering their lawns in the metropolitan and suburban areas of the higher
population density areas of the "Rustbelt" area.
The heat index in Philadelphia at 4 PM July 15 1995 was 129 F. In most
summers in Philadelphia the heat index stays below 110 degrees F. I know
of only one other time since the mid 1970's that the heat index in
Philadelphia reached/exceeded 120 F, and that was the worst day of 1988.

So if I tell someone that the relative humidity in Philadelphia at 4
PM on that day when Hell's area code was 215 was 54%, people tell me that
I got my brain cooked by the 129 degree F heat index, or ask me what I was
smoking!

So, I don't believe 100-plus temperature with humidity in the 90's
anywhere. I am open to any citations of official readings that got taken
shortly after a light summer rain shower dampens hot Arizona ground.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <0tokg1dsa9fpvtfo6mt2ecstf1e32aa88n@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

In Huntington, WV, where I grew up, July and August typical
temperatures/humidities are 99°F/99%, and a 15-minute downpour at
exactly 2PM, so the brick streets would steam ;-)

Are you claiming a typical dewpoint of 98 F? I would like to see a
cite, since dewpoints anywhere in West Virginia of 80 F are somewhat rare.
80 F dewpoint is a little high for the Gulf Coast or even a hundred miles
inland from the Gulf Coast. I could buy brief localized dewpoints in the
mid - upper 80's (at the official measurement altitude of 4 feet above
ground) in especially bad cases from rain hitting hot ground.

Also it surely appears to me that the maximum temperature of an average
July or August day does not exceed 90 F at any official station anywhere
in West Virginia. I have seen the figures for maximum temperature for
average day of hottest month (when the month is on its average) for
Charleston, Richmond, Washington DC, and Cincinatti - below 90 F, but not
by much. Memphis barely cracks 90 F as maximum temperature of an
average July day. Philadelphia chimes in at 87 F for "average high" in
mid-late July, although I surely feel like they have the official
thermometer in a location cooled by leakage of air-conditioned air from a
building, or 1/2 an inch above the water of the Delaware River (NOT
actually true).

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <zOuOe.5575$5U2.1326@lakeread07>, John Perry wrote:

Well! We're quite cool here in Tidewater, VA, I guess. It's only been
90F+ (with two days hitting 98F) with humidity at 85%+. Yesterday it
was only 90F with 95% humidity (that's right -- condensing on anything
in the shade .

You must be remembering the humidity figures obtained sometime in the
morning.

A really bad humid day anywhere in Virginia with temperature 98 F has
humidity at the time of high temperature at most in the 50's, even if the
humidity at breakfast time was in the 80's.

Worst dewpoint I ever heard of in mid-Atlantic USA was 82 degrees F, and
that's on the high side even at the worst time of the year in places much
farther south (like Louisiana or Florida). 90 F at 82 F dewpoint has
relative humidity about 76%.

Philadelphia has had a slightly worse than average summer this year, and
the highest dew point I have heard of so far this year in Philadelphia is
77 F - which would make the relative humidity about 67% when the
temperature is 90 F.

The worst heat indexes I have heard of so far this year in or near
Philadelphia (110 F if I remember correctly) occurred with temperature in
the upper 90's with relative humidity close to, probably a bit under 50%.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:49:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In article <0tokg1dsa9fpvtfo6mt2ecstf1e32aa88n@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

In Huntington, WV, where I grew up, July and August typical
temperatures/humidities are 99°F/99%, and a 15-minute downpour at
exactly 2PM, so the brick streets would steam ;-)

Are you claiming a typical dewpoint of 98 F? I would like to see a
cite, since dewpoints anywhere in West Virginia of 80 F are somewhat rare.
80 F dewpoint is a little high for the Gulf Coast or even a hundred miles
inland from the Gulf Coast. I could buy brief localized dewpoints in the
mid - upper 80's (at the official measurement altitude of 4 feet above
ground) in especially bad cases from rain hitting hot ground.

[snip]

So I exaggerated a little... it was only 90°F/90%. Want to live
there? The streets DO steam. The slate roofs are hell on wheels to
install a TV antenna. Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no
A/C until I went away to college in 1958)? No thanks.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
<dpjrg1pj7jnbo86ale6h11c4i9kjgd02dg@4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Why I live in
AZ instead of WV', on Thu, 25 Aug 2005:

Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no A/C until I went away
to college in 1958)? No thanks.

Depends how you got like that! (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
If everything has been designed, a god designed evolution by natural selection.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:04:21 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:49:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In article <0tokg1dsa9fpvtfo6mt2ecstf1e32aa88n@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

In Huntington, WV, where I grew up, July and August typical
temperatures/humidities are 99°F/99%, and a 15-minute downpour at
exactly 2PM, so the brick streets would steam ;-)

Are you claiming a typical dewpoint of 98 F? I would like to see a
cite, since dewpoints anywhere in West Virginia of 80 F are somewhat rare.
80 F dewpoint is a little high for the Gulf Coast or even a hundred miles
inland from the Gulf Coast. I could buy brief localized dewpoints in the
mid - upper 80's (at the official measurement altitude of 4 feet above
ground) in especially bad cases from rain hitting hot ground.

[snip]

So I exaggerated a little... it was only 90°F/90%. Want to live
there? The streets DO steam. The slate roofs are hell on wheels to
install a TV antenna. Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no
A/C until I went away to college in 1958)? No thanks.

...Jim Thompson

Ditto, ditto, but in New Orleans. Roaches as big as mice and
mosquitoes as big as chickens. Drove through San Francisco one cold
and foggy day and said "this will do."

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:39:32 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
dpjrg1pj7jnbo86ale6h11c4i9kjgd02dg@4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Why I live in
AZ instead of WV', on Thu, 25 Aug 2005:
Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no A/C until I went away
to college in 1958)? No thanks.

Depends how you got like that! (;-)

When the weather's hot and sticky,
that's no time for Duncan Dickie.

When the frost is on the pumpkin,
That's the time for Dickie Duncan!


John

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:49:06 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:04:21 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:49:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In article <0tokg1dsa9fpvtfo6mt2ecstf1e32aa88n@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

In Huntington, WV, where I grew up, July and August typical
temperatures/humidities are 99°F/99%, and a 15-minute downpour at
exactly 2PM, so the brick streets would steam ;-)

Are you claiming a typical dewpoint of 98 F? I would like to see a
cite, since dewpoints anywhere in West Virginia of 80 F are somewhat rare.
80 F dewpoint is a little high for the Gulf Coast or even a hundred miles
inland from the Gulf Coast. I could buy brief localized dewpoints in the
mid - upper 80's (at the official measurement altitude of 4 feet above
ground) in especially bad cases from rain hitting hot ground.

[snip]

So I exaggerated a little... it was only 90°F/90%. Want to live
there? The streets DO steam. The slate roofs are hell on wheels to
install a TV antenna. Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no
A/C until I went away to college in 1958)? No thanks.

...Jim Thompson


Ditto, ditto, but in New Orleans. Roaches as big as mice and
mosquitoes as big as chickens. Drove through San Francisco one cold
and foggy day and said "this will do."

John

Actually I picked Arizona when I was a teenager.

Vacationed there when I was 16... all the pimples went away ;-)

(In WV you have to be careful... the mosquitos have been known to
carry off small dogs

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:51:40 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:39:32 +0100, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
dpjrg1pj7jnbo86ale6h11c4i9kjgd02dg@4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Why I live in
AZ instead of WV', on Thu, 25 Aug 2005:
Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no A/C until I went away
to college in 1958)? No thanks.

Depends how you got like that! (;-)


When the weather's hot and sticky,
that's no time for Duncan Dickie.

When the frost is on the pumpkin,
That's the time for Dickie Duncan!


John

Yep ;-) Although all my kids were conceived between February and May.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <dpjrg1pj7jnbo86ale6h11c4i9kjgd02dg@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:49:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In art <0tokg1dsa9fpvtfo6mt2ecstf1e32aa88n@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

In Huntington, WV, where I grew up, July and August typical
temperatures/humidities are 99°F/99%, and a 15-minute downpour at
exactly 2PM, so the brick streets would steam ;-)

Are you claiming a typical dewpoint of 98 F? I would like to see a
cite, since dewpoints anywhere in West Virginia of 80 F are somewhat rare.
80 F dewpoint is a little high for the Gulf Coast or even a hundred miles
inland from the Gulf Coast. I could buy brief localized dewpoints in the
mid - upper 80's (at the official measurement altitude of 4 feet above
ground) in especially bad cases from rain hitting hot ground.

[snip]

So I exaggerated a little... it was only 90°F/90%. Want to live
there? The streets DO steam. The slate roofs are hell on wheels to
install a TV antenna. Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no
A/C until I went away to college in 1958)? No thanks.

90 F at 90% humidity is a dewpoint of 86-87 degrees F. I have yet to
hear of any official readings in New Orleans that bad.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Richard Henry]

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrndgvm9h.od1.don@manx.misty.com...

In article <dpjrg1pj7jnbo86ale6h11c4i9kjgd02dg@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson
wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:49:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In art <0tokg1dsa9fpvtfo6mt2ecstf1e32aa88n@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

In Huntington, WV, where I grew up, July and August typical
temperatures/humidities are 99°F/99%, and a 15-minute downpour at
exactly 2PM, so the brick streets would steam ;-)

Are you claiming a typical dewpoint of 98 F? I would like to see a
cite, since dewpoints anywhere in West Virginia of 80 F are somewhat
rare.
80 F dewpoint is a little high for the Gulf Coast or even a hundred
miles
inland from the Gulf Coast. I could buy brief localized dewpoints in
the
mid - upper 80's (at the official measurement altitude of 4 feet above
ground) in especially bad cases from rain hitting hot ground.

[snip]

So I exaggerated a little... it was only 90°F/90%. Want to live
there? The streets DO steam. The slate roofs are hell on wheels to
install a TV antenna. Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no
A/C until I went away to college in 1958)? No thanks.

90 F at 90% humidity is a dewpoint of 86-87 degrees F. I have yet to
hear of any official readings in New Orleans that bad.

I played a soccer game in Singapore once. It was over 100°F and raining.

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <R9TPe.129316$E95.100440@fed1read01>, Richard Henry wrote:

"Don Klipstein" <don@manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrndgvm9h.od1.don@manx.misty.com...
In article <dpjrg1pj7jnbo86ale6h11c4i9kjgd02dg@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson
wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:49:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In art <0tokg1dsa9fpvtfo6mt2ecstf1e32aa88n@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

In Huntington, WV, where I grew up, July and August typical
temperatures/humidities are 99°F/99%, and a 15-minute downpour at
exactly 2PM, so the brick streets would steam ;-)

Are you claiming a typical dewpoint of 98 F? I would like to see a
cite, since dewpoints anywhere in West Virginia of 80 F are somewhat
rare.
80 F dewpoint is a little high for the Gulf Coast or even a hundred
miles
inland from the Gulf Coast. I could buy brief localized dewpoints in
the
mid - upper 80's (at the official measurement altitude of 4 feet above
ground) in especially bad cases from rain hitting hot ground.

[snip]

So I exaggerated a little... it was only 90°F/90%. Want to live
there? The streets DO steam. The slate roofs are hell on wheels to
install a TV antenna. Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no
A/C until I went away to college in 1958)? No thanks.

90 F at 90% humidity is a dewpoint of 86-87 degrees F. I have yet to
hear of any official readings in New Orleans that bad.

I played a soccer game in Singapore once. It was over 100°F and raining.

I have seen that happen in Philadelphia also, but with dewpoints in the
70's, staying in the 70's to maybe making it into the 80's (and not at
the official measuring point for Philadelphia), and temperature falling
from 100 in short order.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

 

[Don Klipstein]

In article <slrndgvm9h.od1.don@manx.misty.com>, I, Don Klipstein wrote:

In art <dpjrg1pj7jnbo86ale6h11c4i9kjgd02dg@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:

So I exaggerated a little... it was only 90°F/90%. Want to live
there? The streets DO steam. The slate roofs are hell on wheels to
install a TV antenna. Try to sleep bathed in sweat (my parents had no
A/C until I went away to college in 1958)? No thanks.

90 F at 90% humidity is a dewpoint of 86-87 degrees F. I have yet to
hear of any official readings in New Orleans that bad.

I do want to admit that streets do sometimes steam after minor showers.
Afterwards it is common for heat index to be the worst of the day.
When this happens on an especially bad stinker of a heatwave day in
Philadelphia, the temperature may fall a few degrees from the mid-upper
90's, and the dewpoint certainly rises - typically from near 70 or the low
70's F to who knows what (I believe upper 70's) at the official measuring
altitude of 4 feet, although I have yet to hear of this getting worse than
the 82 degree dewpoint of the infamous Saturday July 15 1995. Possibly
some of the reason is that the official measurements are done by
instruments in a shelter at the airport, with maybe not much pavement and
quite a bit of Delaware River upwind.

Apparently the dewpoint uptick at 4 feet is usually minor enough for me
to not see any dewpoints past the low 80's whenever I look at a national
weather map that shows dewpoints. I have found 78-79 to be somewhat
common (although a bit less is more common) in Gulf Coast states in mid
and late summer, and 80-81 to be noticeably much less common than 78-79.

Orlando during a heatwave with an excessive heat advisory had dewpoints
only around 74-78 F - but with temperatures hitting 95-96 F, which is
hotter than usual there.

However, I do concede dewpoints likely exceeding 90 degrees F in worse
cases within 6 inches of the ground from a brief rain shower hitting hot
ground, in locations where the dewpoint hardly ever gets past 79 degrees F
otherwise. The humidity obviously hits 100% at least in pockets in some
layer of air whose temperature is not much less than what the air a few
feet above got cooled to (maybe not cooled much) or what the ground
surface got cooled to - and the ground could still be warm to the touch,
upper 80's to 90's degrees F.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)