OT whinge - timber

[Sylvia Else]

On 11/07/2011 11:20 AM, Metro wrote:

"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 5/07/2011 4:41 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 5/07/2011 4:29 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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Just got some timber delivered today, left in my carport, as per
instructions.

When I went out to check it, I find that one piece is badly damaged.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/damagedTimber.jpg

The piece of wood it's sitting on is 20cm wide, so we're not talking
about
a small defect.

Why would the deliverer think I was going to accept a piece of timber
in
that state? Alternatively, how could the deliverer have failed to
notice?

Also, it's over 1cm short. How hard can it be to get the length right?

They're going to replace it, of course, but I shouldn't have to chase
up
things like this.

Sylvia

Are you erecting this carport yourself? If not the installer would have
fixed the problem and then you would not have had to worry.

It's not for the carport. It's a replacement joist for the deck. It
wouldn't need replacing if the tradesmen I employed to construct the
deck had put something up that would last for more than ten years. It
would have, too, if it had been properly sealed so that moisture
couldn't get trapped between the decking boards and the joists. I dare
say I got what I paid for, but there was no discussion at the time about
my paying extra for something that would last a lot longer.

It should not be necessary for a person to do detailed research into a
trade in order to get tradesmen to do a good job.

Sylvia.

One of the joists, now removed. Prior to its removal, I had scraped out
the rotten wood with a screwdriver to determine the extent of the rot. The
staples are there because they were holding some plastic in place to keep
most of the rain out while I decided what to do.

The joist is 4.5cm wide by 19 cm deep. The rot had penetrated more than
halfway down, and as shown, through one of the sides.

From what I understand about rot, this was probably all caused by a single
spore landing where it could take hold.

The rest of the joist is completely sound as far as I can determine.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/woodrot.jpg

The decking looks like it needs some attention also. You should never
counterbore screw holes on decking. Water just fills them up causing various
hassles over time.

The decking is loose, with the holes being drilled above the nail heads
to allow the nails to be removed without splitting the timber - it
worked, mostly. Ultimately I intend to use plugs over stainless steel
screws, this appearing to be the option that provides the least scope
for moisture accumulation.

Sylvia.

 

[kreed]

On Jul 10, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 5/07/2011 4:41 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:



On 5/07/2011 4:29 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97famsFsrfU1@mid.individual.net...
Just got some timber delivered today, left in my carport, as per
instructions.

When I went out to check it, I find that one piece is badly damaged.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/damagedTimber.jpg

The piece of wood it's sitting on is 20cm wide, so we're not talking
about
a small defect.

Why would the deliverer think I was going to accept a piece of timber in
that state? Alternatively, how could the deliverer have failed to
notice?

Also, it's over 1cm short. How hard can it be to get the length right?

They're going to replace it, of course, but I shouldn't have to chase up
things like this.

Sylvia

Are you erecting this carport yourself? If not the installer would have
fixed the problem and then you would not have had to worry.

It's not for the carport. It's a replacement joist for the deck. It
wouldn't need replacing if the tradesmen I employed to construct the
deck had put something up that would last for more than ten years. It
would have, too, if it had been properly sealed so that moisture
couldn't get trapped between the decking boards and the joists. I dare
say I got what I paid for, but there was no discussion at the time about
my paying extra for something that would last a lot longer.

It should not be necessary for a person to do detailed research into a
trade in order to get tradesmen to do a good job.

Sylvia.

One of the joists, now removed. Prior to its removal, I had scraped out
the rotten wood with a screwdriver to determine the extent of the rot.
The staples are there because they were holding some plastic in place to
keep most of the rain out while I decided what to do.

The joist is 4.5cm wide by 19 cm deep. The rot had penetrated more than
halfway down, and as shown, through one of the sides.

 From what I understand about rot, this was probably all caused by a
single spore landing where it could take hold.

The rest of the joist is completely sound as far as I can determine.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/woodrot.jpg

Same thing I had on my verandah when I replaced the boards about 8
years back. Out of 30 joists,
2 were rotted similar to this. The others were fine. This was built
originally about 1978.

One of the rotten ones had failed like yours, the other looked fine
for its age on the outside, but when you went to nail into it, the
nail just about fell in as the inside was gone.

 

[no one]

why not use that cresote substitute to stop post s rotting ?



"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 10, 3:21 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 5/07/2011 4:41 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:



On 5/07/2011 4:29 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:97famsFsrfU1@mid.individual.net...
Just got some timber delivered today, left in my carport, as per
instructions.

When I went out to check it, I find that one piece is badly damaged.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/damagedTimber.jpg

The piece of wood it's sitting on is 20cm wide, so we're not talking
about
a small defect.

Why would the deliverer think I was going to accept a piece of timber
in
that state? Alternatively, how could the deliverer have failed to
notice?

Also, it's over 1cm short. How hard can it be to get the length right?

They're going to replace it, of course, but I shouldn't have to chase
up
things like this.

Sylvia

Are you erecting this carport yourself? If not the installer would have
fixed the problem and then you would not have had to worry.

It's not for the carport. It's a replacement joist for the deck. It
wouldn't need replacing if the tradesmen I employed to construct the
deck had put something up that would last for more than ten years. It
would have, too, if it had been properly sealed so that moisture
couldn't get trapped between the decking boards and the joists. I dare
say I got what I paid for, but there was no discussion at the time about
my paying extra for something that would last a lot longer.

It should not be necessary for a person to do detailed research into a
trade in order to get tradesmen to do a good job.

Sylvia.

One of the joists, now removed. Prior to its removal, I had scraped out
the rotten wood with a screwdriver to determine the extent of the rot.
The staples are there because they were holding some plastic in place to
keep most of the rain out while I decided what to do.

The joist is 4.5cm wide by 19 cm deep. The rot had penetrated more than
halfway down, and as shown, through one of the sides.

From what I understand about rot, this was probably all caused by a
single spore landing where it could take hold.

The rest of the joist is completely sound as far as I can determine.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/woodrot.jpg

Same thing I had on my verandah when I replaced the boards about 8
years back. Out of 30 joists,
2 were rotted similar to this. The others were fine. This was built
originally about 1978.

One of the rotten ones had failed like yours, the other looked fine
for its age on the outside, but when you went to nail into it, the
nail just about fell in as the inside was gone.