OT: When you go to the polling place..

[Frithiof Andreas Jensen]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in
message news:6h88m05a4cdg64srjp94dqbqrpf3hc4g9k@4ax.com...

The hero is the brave and clever one who brings back the tiger
as lunch meat.

Well - If you cannot do that, you can *lie about it* thus getting at the
wymmin anyway (at least until that other feller lumping the 200+ kg's of
Tiger Carcass along finally makes it to the camp);

That's how Politics evolved I.M.O. ;-)

 

[Fred Bloggs]

John Larkin wrote:

Humans have defeated every other species we have
tangled with, and we didn't do it by running away.

What a SICK SICK BASTARD you are! I am not aware that mankind waged war
for his survival against any species of the wild kingdom- these simple
creatures who are only trying to survive. The story of mankind's
subjugation of the other species is a story of ruthless cunning and
efficient weapons. We studied their habits to learn their
vulnerabilities, set traps, developed weapons for killing that could be
used at a distance. It is anything BUT courageous!

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:44:29 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Thursday 07 October 2004 12:48 am, Bill Sloman did deign to grace us with
the following:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in
message news:<87g8m01r6qpcoufoljr2ir6r2k97nq34u8@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:49:59 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

I'm not surprised that your answer has no content, since you are one of
the victims of the same brain lock that Mr Sloman, and incidentally, I,
have noticed.

See, you are kindred souls.

Whichever way my brain is constrained, it keeps me amused and well
paid. Perhaps I have a flawed understanding of the way the world
actually works, and my modest but highly entertaining achievements are
just luck. That's OK, too.

Someone who hangs around with people who use functional magnetic
resonance imagers ought to know that the bits of the brain that work
out how electronic circuits work aren't the same ones that understand
how politicians work.

Oh, he's just one of those who likes the warbucks, as long as he can
keep the carnage out of his back yard. Seems to be one of the ones that
has forgotten that creating the carnage in the first place is wrong.

Thanks,
Rich

I have helped develop NMR and MRI systems for health research; built,
without profit, ground-penetrating radars for de-mining around the
world; built systems for energy conservation; built life-safety
systems for buildings; supported dozens of scientific research
projects. Most 130 nm and below ICs are exposed using a laser system
that my timing box controls.

I have refused to sell to cigarette manufacturers. I have been very
persuasively invited to Israel to consult with and educate their
people who are developing nuclear weapons, and sell them
instrumentation - and refused.

What are you doing to make the world a better place? Aside from
newsgroup ranting, I mean.


John

 

[Winfield Hill]

normanstrong wrote...

Who will be running for office? Have you heard any names? By this
time, only 3 months away from the election, one think there would be
substantial political activity in Iraq. As far as I can tell, there
are no candidates for office. I'm going to assume that Allawi will
be on the ballot, but who are the other choices, and why are we not
hearing from them?

My understanding is they will be voting for political parties
and collections of parties, rather than for specific people.
Apparently Allawi is creating a super party that will insure
his continued control, a matter that Shiite leader Ayatollah
Ali Sistani is very unhappy about, despite his earlier strong
insistance that elections be held sooner rather than later.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,702949,00.html


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Clarence]

"Winfield Hill" <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:ck3tui022d0@drn.newsguy.com...

normanstrong wrote...

Who will be running for office? Have you heard any names? By this
time, only 3 months away from the election, one think there would be
substantial political activity in Iraq. As far as I can tell, there
are no candidates for office. I'm going to assume that Allawi will
be on the ballot, but who are the other choices, and why are we not
hearing from them?

My understanding is they will be voting for political parties
and collections of parties, rather than for specific people.
Apparently Allawi is creating a super party that will insure
his continued control, a matter that Shiite leader Ayatollah
Ali Sistani is very unhappy about, despite his earlier strong
insistance that elections be held sooner rather than later.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,702949,00.html
- Win

My understanding is that the current plan is intended to maintain stability
until a Constitution is in place to control the process. It is not the final
version.

First comes stability. For any one person to run right now would be suicide.
The religious freaks would kill him / her.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thursday 07 October 2004 01:28 pm, Robert Reimiller did deign to grace us
with the following:

Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote in message
news:<pH88d.2755$1g5.2436@trnddc07>...
When your head tells you to vote for some certain guy, ask yourself,
just before you pull that lever, what does your heart tell you?

I think that's how we got into the current mess. A large percentage of
Americans don't have functioning brains, so they used their hearts.

Besides, I live in Oregon, we got rid of polling places years ago.

Well, I was referring to the heartlessness of the Bush regime, and
war-lovers in general.

But I was in error trying to teach advanced metaphysics to people who
are completely satisfied with ordinary physics just the way it is.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thursday 07 October 2004 08:24 am, John Larkin did deign to grace us with
the following:

What are you doing to make the world a better place? Aside from
newsgroup ranting, I mean.

I could explain, but it would require an understanding of concepts that are
outside the conventional, consensual paradigm.

Thanks for asking!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thursday 07 October 2004 01:09 pm, Winfield Hill did deign to grace us
with the following:

Clarence wrote...
....
My understanding is that the current plan is intended to maintain
stability until a Constitution is in place to control the process.
It is not the final version.

Yes indeed, except it's got to be important to many Iraqis,
because whoever wins will be "guiding" the writing of the new
constitution, right?

Anybody remember Tom Lehrer?

----------------------<quote>--------------
What with President Johnson practicing escalatio on the Vietnamese and then
the Dominican crisis on top of that it has been a nervous year and people
have begun to feel like a Christian scientist with appendicitis.
Fortunately in times of crisis just like this America always has this
number one instrument of diplomacy to fall back on. Here's a song about it.

When someone makes a move
Of which we don't approve,
Who is it that always intervenes?
U.N. and O.A.S.,
They have their place, I guess,
But first send the Marines!

We'll send them all we've got,
John Wayne and Randolph Scott,
Remember those exciting fighting scenes?
To the shores of Tripoli,
But not to Mississippoli,

What do we do? We send the Marines!
For might makes right,
And till they've seen the light,
They've got to be protected,
All their rights respected,
'Till somebody we like can be elected.

Members of the corps
All hate the thought of war,
They'd rather kill them off by peaceful means.
Stop calling it aggression,
O we hate that expression.
We only want the world to know
That we support the status quo.
They love us everywhere we go,
So when in doubt,
Send the Marines!
------------------------------</quote>------------------
shamelessly lifted from
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Send-The-Marines-lyrics-Tom-Lehrer/8BAC8D084920F0D348256A7D00258ABE
There's a copy here too:
http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/marines.htm

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:29:10 +0200, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in
message news:6h88m05a4cdg64srjp94dqbqrpf3hc4g9k@4ax.com...

The hero is the brave and clever one who brings back the tiger
as lunch meat.

Well - If you cannot do that, you can *lie about it* thus getting at the
wymmin anyway

Yeah, that often works.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On 7 Oct 2004 17:35:20 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
wrote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in message news:<0anam05n71q8uu2kd2fq3u0t94rpaleb3q@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:44:29 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

On Thursday 07 October 2004 12:48 am, Bill Sloman did deign to grace us with
the following:

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in
message news:<87g8m01r6qpcoufoljr2ir6r2k97nq34u8@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:49:59 GMT, Rich Grise <null@example.net> wrote:

I'm not surprised that your answer has no content, since you are one of
the victims of the same brain lock that Mr Sloman, and incidentally, I,
have noticed.

See, you are kindred souls.

Whichever way my brain is constrained, it keeps me amused and well
paid. Perhaps I have a flawed understanding of the way the world
actually works, and my modest but highly entertaining achievements are
just luck. That's OK, too.

Someone who hangs around with people who use functional magnetic
resonance imagers ought to know that the bits of the brain that work
out how electronic circuits work aren't the same ones that understand
how politicians work.

Oh, he's just one of those who likes the warbucks, as long as he can
keep the carnage out of his back yard. Seems to be one of the ones that
has forgotten that creating the carnage in the first place is wrong.

Thanks,
Rich


I have helped develop NMR and MRI systems for health research; built,
without profit, ground-penetrating radars for de-mining around the
world; built systems for energy conservation; built life-safety
systems for buildings; supported dozens of scientific research
projects. Most 130 nm and below ICs are exposed using a laser system
that my timing box controls.

I have refused to sell to cigarette manufacturers. I have been very
persuasively invited to Israel to consult with and educate their
people who are developing nuclear weapons, and sell them
instrumentation - and refused.

What are you doing to make the world a better place? Aside from
newsgroup ranting, I mean.

Dunno what Rich is doing, but I'm not doing anything like as much as
I'd like to do, and I'm deeply envious of John Larkin's situation. He
does seem to be making at least some of the right moral choices,
though the truly enviable part is that he is getting enough work to be
in a position to choose.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Thank you, Bill. That was a nice thing to say.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On 7 Oct 2004 19:05:38 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:

The left doesn't have to actualize any belief to feel superior. It is
their hormonally held "feelings" and "good intentions" that count far
more than the deed itself. How dare you compare your genuine good
deeds, acts of honor and charity to the random esoteric feelings and
positions of others on the left.

Do you really divide all of humanity into "the left" and "the right"?

John

 

[John Larkin]

On 8 Oct 2004 07:45:22 -0700, jdurban@vorel.com (Product developer)
wrote:

How can anyone at this time in our history, be unclear as to what is
best for our economy, trade, and national security and that of our
allies?

Apparently, nobody is.

John

 

[Winfield Hill]

Product developer wrote...

The left doesn't have to actualize any belief to feel superior. It is
their hormonally held "feelings" and "good intentions" that count far
more than the deed itself. How dare you compare your genuine good
deeds, acts of honor and charity to the random esoteric feelings and
positions of others on the left.

What a P.O.S.


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Rich Grise]

On Friday 08 October 2004 04:28 pm, Tom Seim did deign to grace us with the
following:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<41654A88.3000603@nospam.com>...
John Larkin wrote:

Humans have defeated every other species we have
tangled with, and we didn't do it by running away.

What a SICK SICK BASTARD you are! I am not aware that mankind waged war
for his survival against any species of the wild kingdom- these simple
creatures who are only trying to survive. The story of mankind's
subjugation of the other species is a story of ruthless cunning and
efficient weapons. We studied their habits to learn their
vulnerabilities, set traps, developed weapons for killing that could be
used at a distance. It is anything BUT courageous!

Bear hunting with a bow, now that's sporting. I'll have to ponder this
over dinner. Hmmm, how about a nice, thick, juicy steak.

Bear hunting with your fingernails, now _that's_ sporting! Oh, I guess
you're allowed to throw rocks, and use sticks that you find. Or, what
the heck - any tree branch that you can break or gnaw off is fair. ;-)

I suppose given enough time, you could fashion quite a passable spear
using your teeth and fingernails. And of course, let's not forget flint.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:54:19 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

Humans have defeated every other species we have
tangled with, and we didn't do it by running away.

What a SICK SICK BASTARD you are! I am not aware that mankind waged war
for his survival against any species of the wild kingdom- these simple
creatures who are only trying to survive. The story of mankind's
subjugation of the other species is a story of ruthless cunning and
efficient weapons.

Exactly. I'm so glad we agree.

We studied their habits to learn their
vulnerabilities, set traps, developed weapons for killing that could be
used at a distance. It is anything BUT courageous!

It takes courage under rational control to hunt bears or whales or big
cats. Or it did, before 50-cal rifles with telescopic sights came
along.

John

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<41672809.5090700@nospam.com>...

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<41654A88.3000603@nospam.com>...


John Larkin wrote:



Humans have defeated every other species we have
tangled with, and we didn't do it by running away.

What a SICK SICK BASTARD you are! I am not aware that mankind waged war
for his survival against any species of the wild kingdom- these simple
creatures who are only trying to survive. The story of mankind's
subjugation of the other species is a story of ruthless cunning and
efficient weapons. We studied their habits to learn their
vulnerabilities, set traps, developed weapons for killing that could be
used at a distance. It is anything BUT courageous!


Bear hunting with a bow, now that's sporting. I'll have to ponder this
over dinner. Hmmm, how about a nice, thick, juicy steak.

Riii.......ght. I'd love to see how you hunt bear with a bow. You would
be either way up in a stand with rifle backup or have a second hunter
with rifle backup or you drop them with high caliber round at 300 yards
minimum with the truck warmed up and ready to go. Aren't you the big
brave man! But this does fall very much in line with other indicators of
your anxiety over personal manhood- what with getting the cops to beat
punks to death, or using AC-130 gunships to kill insurgent "punks"-
punks here and punks there- punks everywhere who should be killed. Are
the bears "punks" too?


Actually I am not a hunter, but have friends who do.

You know someone who do's?

Bear hunting,
even with rifles, is a challenging sport.

Killing a defenseless animal is "sport"? sick...

Just read a news article
about one that got mauled by a bear (this should please you to no
end).

Good riddance. Why didn't the "sportsman" stay home on the couch where
he belongs?

You seem awfully hung up on the word "punk", you must relate to them.
Perhaps you consider yourself a "punk".

Hmmm- looks like a face-to-face meeting may be in order.

AC-130 gunships are, indeed, very impressive aircraft. I would not
want to be on the receiving end of their firepower: imagine 7000
high-velocity 20mm rounds per minute coming at you. Punk terrorists
that get themselves into that position are so stupid that they deserve
what they get.

Doesn't sound like the kind of accuracy that would be used in a civilian
neighborhood does it? You do embody some very telling characteristics of
a typical Bush supporter, such as no respect for people or life
whatsoever. You think you're better than everyone else- the man on top
who decides who shall live or die. Looks like your main problem is that
you haven't run *into* the wrong person yet

 

[Fred Bloggs]

John S. Dyson wrote:

Then why is there such a big problem about hunting bear where there
are significant clashes between people and bear in the NE? Isn't it
NJ where the bear hunt has had some resistance?

There are bear in New England, New York, and New Jersey but they
generally avoid man unless it is not possible such as when there is some
kind of drought that dries up their food supply, forcing them to travel,
or man has encroached too close to their habitat. As you get into places
like the White Mountains in New Hampshire, where bear abound, the people
up there are well aware they have moved into bear country and take it in
stride- there is no so-called clash, the bear maybe do some mischief at
night- but they don't generally attack people. They are something to be
on guard for but not considered a threat that must be destroyed. There
was a day and time, like 350 years ago, when the North American forest
was truly virgin and wild, populated with all sorts of lethal predators
like wolves and cats. This is natural and healthy, but modern Americans
think the place should be a big park safe for children. Well they can
keep their children and themselves at home- bring on more of nature's
beauty, more puma , wolf packs, elk, antelope, bear, snakes and
everything else that belongs there. Keep the people in the cities.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <41682223.6090108@nospam.com>,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> writes:


John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:54:19 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:



Humans have defeated every other species we have
tangled with, and we didn't do it by running away.

What a SICK SICK BASTARD you are! I am not aware that mankind waged war
for his survival against any species of the wild kingdom- these simple
creatures who are only trying to survive. The story of mankind's
subjugation of the other species is a story of ruthless cunning and
efficient weapons.



Exactly. I'm so glad we agree.




We studied their habits to learn their
vulnerabilities, set traps, developed weapons for killing that could be
used at a distance. It is anything BUT courageous!


It takes courage under rational control to hunt bears or whales or big
cats. Or it did, before 50-cal rifles with telescopic sights came
along.

John


I reject the model of your reasoning. These animals were killed out of
the necessity of obtaining their meat- and not to come of age in the
mind of a sociopath.


Yep, John Kerry is allegedly a hunter?!?!?

John

Is he a 'big' game hunter. New England does have a problem with
overpopulation of deer- it is environmentally sound and humane to thin
the herd.

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <416845A7.5070004@nospam.com>,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> writes:

John S. Dyson wrote:
In article <41682223.6090108@nospam.com>,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> writes:


John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:54:19 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:



Humans have defeated every other species we have
tangled with, and we didn't do it by running away.

What a SICK SICK BASTARD you are! I am not aware that mankind waged war
for his survival against any species of the wild kingdom- these simple
creatures who are only trying to survive. The story of mankind's
subjugation of the other species is a story of ruthless cunning and
efficient weapons.



Exactly. I'm so glad we agree.




We studied their habits to learn their
vulnerabilities, set traps, developed weapons for killing that could be
used at a distance. It is anything BUT courageous!


It takes courage under rational control to hunt bears or whales or big
cats. Or it did, before 50-cal rifles with telescopic sights came
along.

John


I reject the model of your reasoning. These animals were killed out of
the necessity of obtaining their meat- and not to come of age in the
mind of a sociopath.


Yep, John Kerry is allegedly a hunter?!?!?

John

Is he a 'big' game hunter. New England does have a problem with
overpopulation of deer- it is environmentally sound and humane to thin
the herd.

Then why is there such a big problem about hunting bear where there

are significant clashes between people and bear in the NE? Isn't it
NJ where the bear hunt has had some resistance?

Frankly, I don't see 'hunting' as sociopathic, but in the 'sport' sense is
more of a cultural activity that some people dislike after abstract
visualization and judgement. On the other hand, hunting 'humans' for
sport (as game, with real and loaded weapons) would be sociaopathic in
our society. Frankly, even as the participants
might enjoy it, I find paintball to be rather odd (and almost perverse),
while game hunting would continue to be neutral, but unenjoyable for me.
Perhaps alot of those emotional opinions and value judgements are based
upon abstract ideas that are genned up by those on the OUTSIDE of the
activity. (The abstract idea of humans hunting each other for sport
is repugnant to me, even though there are limited case in the real
world where nearly equivalent activities might be necessary.) I guess
that context can help to mitigate some of the repulsiveness of various
activities. For example, in the case of hunting humans, if the context
is purely sport, with unloaded weapons, and no blood lust, then it could
be considered to be an adult 'tag' game. If the parties gain too much
blood lust type of enjoyment, even if there would be no chance of physical
harm, then the activity might be outrageous.

So, even though I might have some kind of agreement or understanding
regarding value judgements of various cultural activities, it is wrong
to be overly narrow minded in judging the activities of other cultures.
Perhaps too many activities are being narrow mindedly judged by others,
yet some of the most heinous and heart breaking activities in our
society are given a free pass. The problems of hypocracy (sic) exist
somewhere on all sides -- for example, some of the strongest civil
libertarians (in their own opinion) who might try to reserve as many rights
as possible for the individual might totally disregard the rights (including
life) of others.

In my opinon, sports teams being integrated with academic institutions
is totally inappropriate. However, this is an uncommon example where I am
culturally out of sync with the rest of the world, not even able to
rationalize the misuse of time and resources. Equvalently, I cannot accept
the Federal governement overstepping its constitutional bounds, but it
happens all of the time, and any theoretical argument that proves the
abuses will fall on deaf ears (except in discussion groups where oddball
opinions will be incestuously and iteratively re-enforced, but have no
relevence in the real world.)

John

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Tom Seim wrote:

Bear hunting,
even with rifles, is a challenging sport.

Killing a defenseless animal is "sport"? sick...


Bears are hardly defenseless.


Just read a news article
about one that got mauled by a bear (this should please you to no
end).

Good riddance. Why didn't the "sportsman" stay home on the couch where
he belongs?


You seem awfully hung up on the word "punk", you must relate to them.
Perhaps you consider yourself a "punk".

Hmmm- looks like a face-to-face meeting may be in order.


Is that a threat, fred?

You think it's a threat? Then report it to the authorities, bigshot. I
am sure they will get right to work to do everything in their power to
protect your sorry-ass.

AC-130 gunships are, indeed, very impressive aircraft. I would not
want to be on the receiving end of their firepower: imagine 7000
high-velocity 20mm rounds per minute coming at you. Punk terrorists
that get themselves into that position are so stupid that they deserve
what they get.

Doesn't sound like the kind of accuracy that would be used in a civilian
neighborhood does it? You do embody some very telling characteristics of
a typical Bush supporter, such as no respect for people or life
whatsoever.


Quite to the contrary; I respects the lives of everyone except those
that are trying to kill me. Hell, I even respect your life, fred.
Probably more than I would get from you.

Nah- your main charity is yourself- like most individuals of low
intelligence, you are self-centered and narcissistic- nobody else exists.