OT: Viagra Causing Blindness

Fred Bloggs wrote:
Luhan Monat wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:



Luhan Monat wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:




http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/05/27/viagra.blindness.ap/index.html


Anybody what to touch this one?


The article says no such thing- they might have entitled it FDA
Probes Blindness Among People Who Drink Less Than Eight Glasses of
Water per Day. Someone in the administration wants to buy Pfizer low.


Ok, so I should take it with 8 glasses of water?


Depends on what you're "into"...


"Sorry hun, back in a minute, got to pee just this one more time...."


I don't believe the study anyway- if Viagra improves circulation then
how can it possibly harm the circulation to the eyes. I seem to recall
an AP story not too long ago, took place in Germany maybe, where they
dosed the controls with 50mg Viagra daily for a year, and their
dysfunction permanently disappeared after they went off the drug.
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Well, it was 'all over' the network news this evening - if that actually
means anything.

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indistinguishable from technology."
 
Luhan Monat wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:



Luhan Monat wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:



Luhan Monat wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:




http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/05/27/viagra.blindness.ap/index.html


Anybody what to touch this one?


The article says no such thing- they might have entitled it FDA
Probes Blindness Among People Who Drink Less Than Eight Glasses of
Water per Day. Someone in the administration wants to buy Pfizer low.


Ok, so I should take it with 8 glasses of water?


Depends on what you're "into"...


"Sorry hun, back in a minute, got to pee just this one more time...."


I don't believe the study anyway- if Viagra improves circulation then
how can it possibly harm the circulation to the eyes. I seem to recall
an AP story not too long ago, took place in Germany maybe, where they
dosed the controls with 50mg Viagra daily for a year, and their
dysfunction permanently disappeared after they went off the drug.


Well, it was 'all over' the network news this evening - if that actually
means anything.
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It means about as much as the stories that came out when Viagra first
hit the market about some individuals suffering heart attacks- Viagra
was definitely the cause in those cases- but these people were warned
and knowingly assumed the risk. I'll believe the innuendo of the story
when a double blind study is conducted that shows scientifically that
the increased incidence of this form of blindness has less than 0.1%
chance of occurring due to random chance- until then the report is a
mere survey- no control, no science, nothing analytical- nothing more
than a factoid about which nothing can concluded- less than eight
glasses of water per day- ride a roller coaster more than 10 time per
year- drink a 6-pack of Bud per day, etc...
 
On 27 May 2005 22:30:40 -0700, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:
I don't believe the study anyway- if Viagra improves circulation then
how can it possibly harm the circulation to the eyes. I seem to recall
an AP story not too long ago, took place in Germany maybe, where they
dosed the controls with 50mg Viagra daily for a year, and their
dysfunction permanently disappeared after they went off the drug.

Fred, here's one possibility-

Someone known to me suffered an ischemic neuropathy of the
retina as a result of blood pressure medicine. Said person
has clogged arteries (likely the cause of the high blood
pressure). Somewhat overmedicated at one point, the resulting
blood pressure wasn't enough to overcome the clogged arteries'
greater-than-normal resistance, choking off blood supply to a
chunk of retina. It died.

Dunno 'bout Viagra, or whether the same mechanism might apply.
It might. It's a vasodilator, and one of the listed side-effects
is a precipitous drop in blood pressure. Since heart disease /
clogged arteries is one of the prime reasons for needing Viagra
in the first place, this group might well be more susceptible
to ischemic neuropathy to begin with, and Viagra might contribute.

It might also be that this is a susceptible group who happens to
reach for Viagra to compensate for, um, other symptoms, when their
anti-hypertensive drug dose has lowered their blood pressure a
little too much. I'm sure other scenarios could apply as well.

It will be hard to tell -- 38 cases out of a population of 23
million users isn't a very big number.

James Arthur
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I really know nothing, but the TV news today pointed out that groups
with impotenance (who might want Viagra) include those with problems
like diabetes that can also cause blindness.

I only caught this last posting so sorry if I posted stuff covered in
some other part of the thread.
 
On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:07:01 -0700, Luhan Monat wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/05/27/viagra.blindness.ap/index.html

Anybody what to touch this one?
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Yeah - so far it's only working that way in "one in a million" cases.
Sounds pretty ineffective to me. ;-) I think Nutra-sweet has caused
more damage.

I've never made it a secret that I think one way we could solve most
of the country's problems is to just lace all of the Viagra with
arsenic.

Cheers!
Rich
 
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:

I don't believe the study anyway- if Viagra improves circulation then
how can it possibly harm the circulation to the eyes. I seem to recall
an AP story not too long ago, took place in Germany maybe, where they
dosed the controls with 50mg Viagra daily for a year, and their
dysfunction permanently disappeared after they went off the drug.


Fred, here's one possibility-

Someone known to me suffered an ischemic neuropathy of the
retina as a result of blood pressure medicine. Said person
has clogged arteries (likely the cause of the high blood
pressure). Somewhat overmedicated at one point, the resulting
blood pressure wasn't enough to overcome the clogged arteries'
greater-than-normal resistance, choking off blood supply to a
chunk of retina. It died.

Dunno 'bout Viagra, or whether the same mechanism might apply.
It might. It's a vasodilator, and one of the listed side-effects
is a precipitous drop in blood pressure. Since heart disease /
clogged arteries is one of the prime reasons for needing Viagra
in the first place, this group might well be more susceptible
to ischemic neuropathy to begin with, and Viagra might contribute.

It might also be that this is a susceptible group who happens to
reach for Viagra to compensate for, um, other symptoms, when their
anti-hypertensive drug dose has lowered their blood pressure a
little too much. I'm sure other scenarios could apply as well.

It will be hard to tell -- 38 cases out of a population of 23
million users isn't a very big number.

James Arthur
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I watched the follow-up story on Jim Lehrer NewsHour and it turns out
that many of these people already had a diagnosis of this form of optic
nerve neuropathy and perfusion and at least individual was already blind
in one eye from it. These people were hanging on to their vision by a
thread and blindness was only a matter of time for each of them. I am
suspicious about their claim that the blindness occurred immediately
after taking the Viagra- a bit convenient for someone looking for a
payout. As usual, the braindead and irresponsible media, which is all
about sensationalism and entertainment, failed to emphasize this
important fact, trying to make it sound like otherwise healthy people
are susceptible to be struck out of the blue with this form of blindness
- when nothing could be further from the truth.
 
On Fri, 27 May 2005 14:36:16 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005 14:21:14 -0700, Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:07:01 -0700, Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/05/27/viagra.blindness.ap/index.html

Anybody what to touch this one?

Don't you remember when you were a kid, your mother warned you,
"You'll go blind if you play with it" ;-)

Yes, that was the first thought to cross my mind. You knew my mother?

All mothers are the same ;-)
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Nope. My Mother (who I called, "Mom") was the wisest person I've ever met.
She never laid that crapola on me - and not only that, but my Dad actually
_recommended_ masturbation as a form of birth control and self-restraint.
"Use your fist", he said.

Guess I was just lucky in that respect. :)

Another interesting story was that when I was in Thailand in the USAF,
I came down with congestive prostatitis, caused primarily by dehydration,
too much beer, and an ill-fitting bicycle seat. Part of my _prescription_
was to have as many ejaculations as I could manage. I asked the doc, "can
I have a note, in case I get caught in the shower?" ;-)

And nobody ever has told me to stop. ;-P

Cheers!
Rich
 
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:07:01 -0700, Luhan Monat wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/05/27/viagra.blindness.ap/index.html

Anybody what to touch this one?


Yeah - so far it's only working that way in "one in a million" cases.
Sounds pretty ineffective to me. ;-) I think Nutra-sweet has caused
more damage.

I've never made it a secret that I think one way we could solve most
of the country's problems is to just lace all of the Viagra with
arsenic.

Cheers!
Rich
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No, better to lace all of the Metamucel with Viargra. That will keep
all those older types too busy to campaign for a return to last
centuries values.

(just a minute while I spray some flame-retardant on my computer screen)

--
Luhan (Raving Libertarian) Monat: luhanis(at)yahoo(dot)com
http://members.cox.net/berniekm
"Any sufficiently advanced magick is
indistinguishable from technology."
 
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:07:01 -0700, Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/05/27/viagra.blindness.ap/index.html

Anybody what to touch this one?

Don't you remember when you were a kid, your mother warned you,
"You'll go blind if you play with it" ;-)
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I thought you were supposed to ge deaf, not blind.

Tam

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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 09:36:26 -0700, dagmargoodboat wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:
....
These people were hanging on to their vision by a thread and blindness
was only a matter of time for each of them. I am suspicious about their
claim that the blindness occurred immediately after taking the Viagra-
a bit convenient for someone looking for a payout.

Or perhaps the claims are true & innocent, but the tragedies are
unrelated to the drug. People naturally look for explanations and often
find them, even when they're wrong.

It may be that a bunch of of people in this condition went
blind, and some just happened to have recently taken Viagra. Others
might've had a Pepsi, ergo "Pepsi causes blindness!"
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This same logic can be applied to show that eating potatoes causes rape.
Every rapist that's in prison today, has eaten potatoes.

I wonder if anyone's ever done a study of the correlation between
circumcision and rape? Are there any convicted rapists who _aren't_
circumcised?

Thank Goddess my folks didn't belive in infant mutilation.

....
As usual, the braindead and irresponsible media, which is all about
sensationalism and entertainment, failed to emphasize this important
fact, trying to make it sound like otherwise healthy people are
susceptible to be struck out of the blue with this form of blindness -
when nothing could be further from the truth.

"You and your family could be in imminent danger! might you die at any
moment? Tune into our health tips ... film at eleven."
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Sigh. I'm afraid you've hit the nail on the head.

Thanks,
Rich
 
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