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On Sat, 11 May 2019 21:14:16 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/05/19 18:06, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 11 May 2019 12:25:43 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 5/11/19 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:17:32 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 11:37:22 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 May 2019 13:25:01 -0700, George Herold wrote:
This is great,
https://fs.blog/2013/05/the-buffett-formula-how-to-get-smarter/
And gives me an excuse for reading more. https://fs.blog/best-articles/
And buying more books!
Well, if we're into book recommendations, here's my tip:
https://tinyurl.com/y22xnp9k
It tells about how a fawning, conniving Western media covered up Stalin's
systematic starvation of the Kulaks during the 1930s. A timely warning
from history as to the how Communism ultimately invariably plays out.
A shame it hasn't been reprinted as remaining copies are very hard to
find and consequently pretty expensive.
Save your money. Venezuela and North Korea are happening now.
And Cuba.
https://apnews.com/42b62f24be9b4e0d9f764f1a3fa9647a
Imagine a country so screwed up that it depended on *Venezuela* for
support.
The universal feature of communism seems to be hunger.
The universal feature of communism is that 20th century communist
nations that last for any length of time are outliers; what usually
happens is the CIA assassinates any democratically-elected leaders who
get those kind of ideas, and funds right-wing paramilitary groups who
execute and torture a few thousand or tens of thousands of the local
population who thought it might be worth trying, and install a puppet
fascist dictator far more amenable to US corporate interests then any of
this "democratically-elected" nonsense.
Commies are pretty good at killing one another. By the millions.
Losing a war to the US seems to be a good thing long-term. Being a
former possession of the British Empire seems to be helpful too.
US corporate interests are terrible, forcing people to have tractors
and electricity and vaccines and houses and clean water and bad things
like that.
There are quite a few people in the USA that would
be surprised that corporations insist they have
clean drinking water. Quite the opposite, in fact.
You'd rather drink out of some multi-use river in Zambia?
What US corporations insist that I drink bad water?
On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:17:32 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 11:37:22 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 May 2019 13:25:01 -0700, George Herold wrote:
This is great,
https://fs.blog/2013/05/the-buffett-formula-how-to-get-smarter/
And gives me an excuse for reading more. https://fs.blog/best-articles/
And buying more books!
Well, if we're into book recommendations, here's my tip:
https://tinyurl.com/y22xnp9k
It tells about how a fawning, conniving Western media covered up Stalin's
systematic starvation of the Kulaks during the 1930s. A timely warning
from history as to the how Communism ultimately invariably plays out.
A shame it hasn't been reprinted as remaining copies are very hard to
find and consequently pretty expensive.
Save your money. Venezuela and North Korea are happening now.
And Cuba.
https://apnews.com/42b62f24be9b4e0d9f764f1a3fa9647a
Imagine a country so screwed up that it depended on *Venezuela* for
support.
The universal feature of communism seems to be hunger.
On Saturday, May 11, 2019 at 6:07:51 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
The Left can't get over Hillary losing, and have contempt for the
clingy deplorables who elected him. And who probably will re-elect
him.
It says a *lot* that Democrats have claimed the election has been stolen
every single time a Republican has been elected president since and
including 1980.
If we ever fix the Constitution so that the President is elected by popular vote no one will be able to make that claim anymore will they?
Both Russia and China seem to have decided genocide isn't worth the
bad publicity it generates. They prefer a definition that doesn't get
them labelled as having previously committed genocide.
China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs, and dealing
with the bad publicity by controlling the publicity, not the "bad".
Rick C wrote:
You confuse the issue. Let me make it clear... ELECTORAL COLLEGE
There, is that something you can read?
Sure and it's something the founders had enough sense to create.
On 5/11/19 11:06 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
Both Russia and China seem to have decided genocide isn't worth the
bad publicity it generates. They prefer a definition that doesn't get
them labelled as having previously committed genocide.
China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs, and
dealing with the bad publicity by controlling the publicity, not the
"bad".
They figure the West won't shed many tears over a few more dead Muslims
after the better part of two decades of global war on terror/Islam. Or
at least has very little wiggle-room to take any kind of moral
high-ground. "you complain that we're eradicating the Islamic extremists
on our front doorstep while you bomb them 8,000 miles away?"
On 12/5/19 12:49 pm, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 1:45:21 AM UTC+10, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:17:32 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 11:37:22 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:
https://tinyurl.com/y22xnp9k
It tells about how a fawning, conniving Western media covered up
Stalin's systematic starvation of the Kulaks during the 1930s. A
timely warning from history as to the how Communism ultimately
invariably plays out.
A shame it hasn't been reprinted as remaining copies are very hard
to find and consequently pretty expensive.
Save your money. Venezuela and North Korea are happening now.
And Cuba.
https://apnews.com/42b62f24be9b4e0d9f764f1a3fa9647a
Imagine a country so screwed up that it depended on *Venezuela* for
support.
The universal feature of communism seems to be hunger.
But the full history of that "fawning, conniving Western media" and the
left in general has to be retold and not forgotten, now that they deny
they ever denied the genocide, and pretend to be concerned about the
Russians etc.
Some parts of the western media did ignore what Stalin did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor
Others didn't. The USSR did mount a massive disinformation program at the time, and kept it running until the 1980's.
The UN has an official definition of genocide that includes killing
people for their race or religion, but not for politics. That's because
we stupidly gave Russia and China a say in the UN charter and they
wanted to continue killing people for their politics.
Both Russia and China seem to have decided genocide isn't worth the bad publicity it generates. They prefer a definition that doesn't get them labelled as having previously committed genocide.
China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs, and dealing
with the bad publicity by controlling the publicity, not the "bad".
bitrex wrote:
On 5/11/19 5:11 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
You think fascists are to the right of me, when they are to the left
of you. They are to the right only of communists. Placing fascists
to our right started as a propaganda lie by socialists and
communists to disassociate themselves from the Nazis, whom the
communists supplied with the fuel they used to bomb London. Consider
how ludicrous it is to claim that our society is between
Hitler and Stalin. Since we are obviously not in between them, your
concept of the political spectrum is confusion based on that lie.
I see. But all modern no-fascists and neo-Nazis I've ever heard of (no
shortage of them really) self-identify as right wing. They would be
deeply offended to be called left-wing of any kind.
That's because they are to the right of Communists. Since socialism has
gained enough ground for openly socialst presidential candidates in the
Democratic primary, that would go for them too, but only because the DNC
moved left.
Their racism is an independent, orthogonal factor. There's plenty of
anti-Semitism in Antifa.
But no shortage of them? There's about one for every 1000 Antifa
socialists. Trump's populists aren't neo-fascist like you think.
Populism has no philosophical rudder.
That's OK with me you should wear that shoe proudly, in
fact. In the US you'll have no lack of company.
You know enough Sun Tsu to know "know your enemy", right? Well you
don't, in the slightest.
I gotta say making analogies between no-Trump-supporter signs in some
shop window (can't say I've ever seen one IRL, do they hate money? I
don't hate money, personally) and historical Stalin-ism sounds a
little paranoid, yeah?
But it's a good analogy. They exclude speakers at college just like
fascists would. The Soviets could be called red fascists as opposed to
black fascists, because their differences are too subtle to really
matter.
On Sat, 11 May 2019 17:15:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 5/11/19 5:03 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 11 May 2019 13:11:03 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 5/11/19 12:56 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 11 May 2019 12:35:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 5/11/19 11:45 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:17:32 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 11:37:22 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:
Oh I think it was a great lesson in humility for many left-leaning white
Americans, too, when the Muller report didn't come to much of anything.
Why 'whites' again and again? Not just whites were outraged! They
*want* the President to be a traitor.
Probably the first time in their lives they had the experience of going
to the state for help with their problems and the police didn't do a
thing. The state _is_ the president - and FBI, too.
Kinda like how seeing a "Trump Fans Keep Out" sign in a shop window must
have felt for Tom. Feels bad, eh?
I live in Lefty Central and I've never seen anything like that. I did
see a small sign that said IMPEACH TRUMP so I took it down and threw
it away. It was ugly.
The Left can't get over Hillary losing, and have contempt for the
clingy deplorables who elected him. And who probably will re-elect
him.
... what usually
happens is the CIA assassinates any democratically-elected leaders who
get those kind of ideas, and funds right-wing paramilitary groups who
execute and torture
On 5/11/19 6:04 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:
On 5/11/19 5:11 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
You think fascists are to the right of me, when they are to the left
of you. They are to the right only of communists. Placing fascists
to our right started as a propaganda lie by socialists and
communists to disassociate themselves from the Nazis, whom the
communists supplied with the fuel they used to bomb London. Consider
how ludicrous it is to claim that our society is between
Hitler and Stalin. Since we are obviously not in between them, your
concept of the political spectrum is confusion based on that lie.
I see. But all modern no-fascists and neo-Nazis I've ever heard of (no
shortage of them really) self-identify as right wing. They would be
deeply offended to be called left-wing of any kind.
That's because they are to the right of Communists. Since socialism has
gained enough ground for openly socialst presidential candidates in the
Democratic primary, that would go for them too, but only because the DNC
moved left.
Their racism is an independent, orthogonal factor. There's plenty of
anti-Semitism in Antifa.
But no shortage of them? There's about one for every 1000 Antifa
socialists. Trump's populists aren't neo-fascist like you think.
Populism has no philosophical rudder.
It's why I said fascist-apologist. Being an open fascist probably
requires some amount of courage; I think it's a depressing and
ultimately futile and self-defeating fashion of courage, but it's a
fashion of courage nonetheless. All people dream about the things they'd
like to be and things they'd like to have, from time to time, though.
Not every young man will ever own a Ferrari but probably millions of
Ferrari wall-posters have been sold. If somehow some quirk of fate
handed them a gift of the real thing, just like that, I doubt they'd
turn it down.
On Sat, 11 May 2019 21:14:16 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/05/19 18:06, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 11 May 2019 12:25:43 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 5/11/19 10:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:17:32 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019 11:37:22 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 May 2019 13:25:01 -0700, George Herold wrote:
This is great,
https://fs.blog/2013/05/the-buffett-formula-how-to-get-smarter/
And gives me an excuse for reading more. https://fs.blog/best-articles/
And buying more books!
Well, if we're into book recommendations, here's my tip:
https://tinyurl.com/y22xnp9k
It tells about how a fawning, conniving Western media covered up Stalin's
systematic starvation of the Kulaks during the 1930s. A timely warning
from history as to the how Communism ultimately invariably plays out.
A shame it hasn't been reprinted as remaining copies are very hard to
find and consequently pretty expensive.
Save your money. Venezuela and North Korea are happening now.
And Cuba.
https://apnews.com/42b62f24be9b4e0d9f764f1a3fa9647a
Imagine a country so screwed up that it depended on *Venezuela* for
support.
The universal feature of communism seems to be hunger.
The universal feature of communism is that 20th century communist
nations that last for any length of time are outliers; what usually
happens is the CIA assassinates any democratically-elected leaders who
get those kind of ideas, and funds right-wing paramilitary groups who
execute and torture a few thousand or tens of thousands of the local
population who thought it might be worth trying, and install a puppet
fascist dictator far more amenable to US corporate interests then any of
this "democratically-elected" nonsense.
Commies are pretty good at killing one another. By the millions.
Losing a war to the US seems to be a good thing long-term. Being a
former possession of the British Empire seems to be helpful too.
US corporate interests are terrible, forcing people to have tractors
and electricity and vaccines and houses and clean water and bad things
like that.
There are quite a few people in the USA that would
be surprised that corporations insist they have
clean drinking water. Quite the opposite, in fact.
You'd rather drink out of some multi-use river in Zambia?
China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs, and dealing
with the bad publicity by controlling the publicity, not the "bad".
On Sat, 11 May 2019 16:59:55 -0700, Rick C wrote:
Why shouldn't we all have a say in who becomes President?
You could easily run the same argument about Hillary and her "super
delegates" - would she have got the Democrat nomination on merit??
That's what you *should* be concerned about AFAIC.
On Sun, 12 May 2019 13:06:39 +1000, Clifford Heath wrote:
China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs, and dealing
with the bad publicity by controlling the publicity, not the "bad".
And also what China's done in Tibet. Type that into a search engine in
China and see how long you remain at liberty.
On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 7:19:14 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 12 May 2019 13:06:39 +1000, Clifford Heath wrote:
China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs, and dealing
with the bad publicity by controlling the publicity, not the "bad".
And also what China's done in Tibet. Type that into a search engine in
China and see how long you remain at liberty.
Genocide involves killing people. Restricting their civil liberties isn't good, but it isn't genocide.
If we ever fix the Constitution so that the President is elected by popular vote no one will be able to make that claim anymore will they?
--
Rick C.
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On Saturday, May 11, 2019 at 6:38:20 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
If we ever fix the Constitution so that the President is elected by popular vote no one will be able to make that claim anymore will they?
What makes you think that? If the president is elected by popular vote, there will be an incentive to cheat everywhere. Because every vote will count. In a state that is strongly republican , there will be an incentive to get a higher vote count for the Republican. And it will be easier to cheat as Republicans will control the election process. Ditto for Democrat states.