OT: The media encouraging Ukrainians to attack Russian soldiers......

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 25 Mar 2022 05:26:13 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t1jjpk$ojk$2@dont-email.me>.

gPUizAikt9Go

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Fri, 25 Mar 2022 05:27:49 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t1jjsl$ojk$4@dont-email.me>).

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe\'s post ratio
to USENET has been 55.1% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

QFl/o87KCjcz

 

[John Doe]

Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

--
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 25 Mar 2022 05:26:13 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t1jjpk$ojk$2@dont-email.me>.

gPUizAikt9Go

 

[John Doe]

Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

--
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com> wrote:

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Fri, 25 Mar 2022 05:27:49 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
t1jjsl$ojk$4@dont-email.me>).

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe\'s post ratio
to USENET has been 55.1% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

QFl/o87KCjcz

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll\'s contentless spam.

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:53:42 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t1kag6$qj4$1@dont-email.me>).

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe\'s post ratio
to USENET has been 55.3% of its posts contributing \"nothing except
insults\" to USENET.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.

Hef62yw2QVDr

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:53:54 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t1kagh$qj4$2@dont-email.me>.

EZVtYo6U/jxt

 

[server]

You know all of your stupid posts do nothing but muck up the group, and
you doing so into other groups makes the stupid shit even worse.

I would definitely make you eat lead if I ever found you. After
using a baseball bat to break every finger and every bone in each of
your pathetic, zero contribution hands. You would get it worse than
any movie gore ever portrayed.

You are the worst of Usenet. What? Too much of a pussy?
Yeah, all you TrumpTarded idiots are pussies.

Post your address, Usenet mucker upper.

 

[John Doe]

The foulmouthed group idiot, a.k.a. Always Wrong

Threatening to kill me?

A tough guy on the Internet...

--
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You know all of your stupid posts do nothing but muck up the group, and
you doing so into other groups makes the stupid shit even worse.

I would definitely make you eat lead if I ever found you. After
using a baseball bat to break every finger and every bone in each of
your pathetic, zero contribution hands. You would get it worse than
any movie gore ever portrayed.

You are the worst of Usenet. What? Too much of a pussy?
Yeah, all you TrumpTarded idiots are pussies.

Post your address, Usenet mucker upper.

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 25 Mar 2022 19:55:12 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t1l6n0$2fn$2@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

XHhtpaXFYW+V

 

[John Doe]

Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is the stalker a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

--
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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 25 Mar 2022 19:55:12 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t1l6n0$2fn$2@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

XHhtpaXFYW+V

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 25 Mar 2022 20:22:25 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t1l8a1$2fn$6@dont-email.me>.

AKxCuX0SuzSH

 

[David Eather]

On 25/03/2022 7:50 am, John Doe wrote:

This Australian troll missed or avoided the point.

The main, important, critical point is that encouraging civilians to throw
Molotov cocktails at soldiers leads to soldiers killing civilians.

Take the illegally invading solders away and the civilians have nothing
to throw at - A Molotov cocktail has a range of a few meters. I got the
point. John Doe missed it even in his own post.

How many \"civilians\" are there when you face extermination?

How many \"civilians\" are there when your hospitals are destroyed by
missiles?

How many \"civilians\" are there when negotiated \"safe corridors\" are
attacked by artillery, snipers and tanks?

Fuck off John Doe - Putin is missing a brain cell and you are not one of
them.

 

[John Doe]

This Australian troll is acting stupid as can be.

Taking a detour from the obvious point of the thread...

If things are so dire for civilians (apparently it sucks), if Ukraine
cannot defend its civilians against the \"evil\" Russian attackers, it
should negotiate a deal.

Ukraine cannot win. Grown-ups know that. Russia can easily nuke any number
of Ukrainian cities if it wish. Ukrainian leaders need to accept defeat
and save lives. Seems some of the Ukrainian refugees wanted to leave.

Some busy Ukrainian intersections don\'t even have traffic lights or stop
signs. How backwards is that. And it snows there!

Too many suicidal and/or shortsighted people in the world...


David Eather <eatREMOVEher@tpg.com.au> wrote:

On 25/03/2022 7:50 am, John Doe wrote:
This Australian troll missed or avoided the point.

The main, important, critical point is that encouraging civilians to throw
Molotov cocktails at soldiers leads to soldiers killing civilians.

Take the illegally invading solders away and the civilians have nothing
to throw at - A Molotov cocktail has a range of a few meters. I got the
point. John Doe missed it even in his own post.

How many \"civilians\" are there when you face extermination?

How many \"civilians\" are there when your hospitals are destroyed by
missiles?

How many \"civilians\" are there when negotiated \"safe corridors\" are
attacked by artillery, snipers and tanks?

Fuck off John Doe - Putin is missing a brain cell and you are not one of
them.

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:44:26 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

If things are so dire for civilians (apparently it sucks), if Ukraine
cannot defend its civilians against the \"evil\" Russian attackers, it
should negotiate a deal.

Yeah; since NATO countries are apparently a safe haven for the
civilians displaced, Ukraine should definitely negotiate to
become a NATO country.

Russia can maybe take inches of soil, and pay in blood and treasure for it,
but is not getting a good deal. Maybe Ukraine in NATO is the best that
any party in this conflict can expect.

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 4:46:45 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:44:26 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

If things are so dire for civilians (apparently it sucks), if Ukraine
cannot defend its civilians against the \"evil\" Russian attackers, it
should negotiate a deal.

Yeah; since NATO countries are apparently a safe haven for the
civilians displaced, Ukraine should definitely negotiate to
become a NATO country.

Russia can maybe take inches of soil, and pay in blood and treasure for it,
but is not getting a good deal. Maybe Ukraine in NATO is the best that
any party in this conflict can expect.

 

[Phil Allison]

Witless IDIOT puked:

-------------------------------

If things are so dire for civilians (apparently it sucks), if Ukraine
cannot defend its civilians against the \"evil\" Russian attackers, it
should negotiate a deal.

Yeah; since NATO countries are apparently a safe haven for the
civilians displaced, Ukraine should definitely negotiate to
become a NATO country.

** FFS imbecile - THAT is the one thing Russia / Putin most wants to prevent ever happening.




...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

John Doe wrote:
=============

Ukraine cannot win. Grown-ups know that.

** Counts peurile fools like you out - sunshine.

No need exists to defeat Russia, just seeing Russian troops leave would be a win.

> Russia can easily nuke any number of Ukrainian cities if it wish.

** The consequences of that action would be horrific.

> Ukrainian leaders need to accept defeat and save lives.

** Even if fighting ceases and Russia takes control - no invader will ever walk safety in the country.
Sanctions will stay in place indefinitely, so Russia will lose all world influence and have its economy ruined.
Russia cannot win, only lose.



....... Phil

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 26. marts 2022 kl. 01.19.51 UTC+1 skrev palli...@gmail.com:

Witless IDIOT puked:

-------------------------------

If things are so dire for civilians (apparently it sucks), if Ukraine
cannot defend its civilians against the \"evil\" Russian attackers, it
should negotiate a deal.

Yeah; since NATO countries are apparently a safe haven for the
civilians displaced, Ukraine should definitely negotiate to
become a NATO country.

** FFS imbecile - THAT is the one thing Russia / Putin most wants to prevent ever happening.

and his actions have made Ukraine (all his other non-NATO neighbors) even more interested in joining,
and given NATO new purpose and made them rearm

afaiu Ukraine didn\'t fulfill the requirements for NATO membership anyway (yet)

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 26, 2022 at 8:44:26 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

David Eather <eatREM...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

On 25/03/2022 7:50 am, John Doe wrote:
This Australian troll missed or avoided the point.

The main, important, critical point is that encouraging civilians to throw
Molotov cocktails at soldiers leads to soldiers killing civilians.

Take the illegally invading solders away and the civilians have nothing
to throw at - A Molotov cocktail has a range of a few meters. I got the
point. John Doe missed it even in his own post.

How many \"civilians\" are there when you face extermination?

How many \"civilians\" are there when your hospitals are destroyed by
missiles?

How many \"civilians\" are there when negotiated \"safe corridors\" are
attacked by artillery, snipers and tanks?

Fuck off John Doe - Putin is missing a brain cell and you are not one of
them.

This Australian troll is acting stupid as can be.

David Eather isn\'t stupid. John Doe clearly is

> Taking a detour from the obvious point of the thread...

As if anything John Doe posts wasn\'t a detour into utter luacy.

If things are so dire for civilians (apparently it sucks), if Ukraine
cannot defend its civilians against the \"evil\" Russian attackers, it
should negotiate a deal.

It suspects - probably correctly - that any long term deal with Russia will leave Ukranian civilians a lot worse off than they are now.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor>

> Ukraine cannot win.

It hasn\'t lost yet, and Russian attempts to occupy towns have been unsuccessful, and lead to a lot of Russian casualties.

> Grown-ups know that. Russia can easily nuke any number of Ukrainian cities if it wished to.

The response from the rest of the world isn\'t easily predictable, but a nuke dropped on the Russian leadership is one of the possibilities.

> Ukrainian leaders need to accept defeat and save lives.

In John Doe\'s opinion.

> Seems some of the Ukrainian refugees wanted to leave.

Some two million of them have left already.

> Some busy Ukrainian intersections don\'t even have traffic lights or stop signs. How backwards is that. And it snows there!

Sounds like the northern parts of the USA.

> Too many suicidal and/or shortsighted people in the world...

John Doe is remarkably short-sighted and nowhere near suicidal enough. Not that I particularly want him to commit suicide - any course of action that lead to him not posting his nonsense here would be equally acceptable.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 3/25/2022 8:33 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

John Doe wrote:
=============

Ukraine cannot win. Grown-ups know that.

** Counts peurile fools like you out - sunshine.

No need exists to defeat Russia, just seeing Russian troops leave would be a win.

Russia can easily nuke any number of Ukrainian cities if it wish.

** The consequences of that action would be horrific.

Ukrainian leaders need to accept defeat and save lives.

** Even if fighting ceases and Russia takes control - no invader will ever walk safety in the country.
Sanctions will stay in place indefinitely, so Russia will lose all world influence and have its economy ruined.
Russia cannot win, only lose.



...... Phil

\"In general, the main tasks of the first stage of the operation have
been completed,\" Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy, first deputy chief of
Russia\'s General Staff, said in a Friday briefing. \"The combat potential
of the armed forces of Ukraine has been significantly reduced, allowing
us, I emphasize again, to focus the main efforts on achieving the main
goal - the liberation of Donbas.\"

Sounds like at least one Russian colonel is goalpoast-shifting, now.
That seems good if so, it may mean Putin et al are still rational and
seeing that the original plan isn\'t going at all to plan and they are
looking for a face-saving way back.

I believe China did something similar during the 1979 Sino-Vietnam war
when they also did a \"special military operation\", were overconfident
and the Vietnamese kicked the shit out of them pretty good for it, also.