OT. Store Closings...

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 6:16 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

tirsdag den 28. december 2021 kl. 00.08.46 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief

How much they\'ve actually had to pay out in practice for employees
getting injured in this circumstance before whenever whatever chain made
a policy about it IDK, I bet it was asymptotically close to zero dollars.

you don\'t have to pay out to realize that something is a risk of having to pay out

I think the risk is pretty small, most major chain retail employees are
smart enough to realize they don\'t get paid enough to physically engage
with criminals. The ones who aren\'t sometimes don\'t listen too good,
anyway. A company policy doesn\'t mean nobody can ever find you liable
for something.

I think in general they don\'t want employees going outside their zone of
responsibility for organizational reasons as much as potential liability
reasons. Amateur security services isn\'t what we pay you for, we have a
vastly overpaid store security department for efficiently harassing
paying customers and eating ding-dongs all day, and a whole local police
department dedicated to running make-work sting operations instead of
catching any real criminals.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 6:47 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 12/27/2021 6:16 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 28. december 2021 kl. 00.08.46 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around
all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021
probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any
particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a
couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out,
not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display
cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are
\"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like
that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to
random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\".
Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of
smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value)
items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s
small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow
legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do
folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want
the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if
they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief

How much they\'ve actually had to pay out in practice for employees
getting injured in this circumstance before whenever whatever chain made
a policy about it IDK, I bet it was asymptotically close to zero
dollars.

you don\'t have to pay out to realize that something is a risk of
having to pay out


I think the risk is pretty small, most major chain retail employees are
smart enough to realize they don\'t get paid enough to physically engage
with criminals. The ones who aren\'t sometimes don\'t listen too good,
anyway. A company policy doesn\'t mean nobody can ever find you liable
for something

There\'s lots of stuff you can do other than jumping in a tackling
someone yourself. These store still aren\'t paying out bounties. Even the
postal service in the US pays bounties.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief

They also have to consider that if there weren\'t an official policy that
every time store employees just let a shoplifter walk out (as would be
the inclination of many at $12 an hour to do) many conservatives in the
local area would write them a letter on their typewriter like:

\"Dear Management. I was dismayed to see how lazy your employees were
with respect to apprehending shoplifters.

If I were an employee at that establishment I would pull out my Glock
and my AR and put 800 rounds into that shoplifter! I would then build a
nuclear bomb and go to the nearest low-income housing project and blow
it up with a nuclear bomb. I refuse to shop at your chain anymore until
you equip all employees with nuclear bombs to prevent merchandise
shrinkage.\"

so they just say \"it\'s a liability issue\" and those guys understand

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:30:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief


They also have to consider that if there weren\'t an official policy that
every time store employees just let a shoplifter walk out (as would be
the inclination of many at $12 an hour to do) many conservatives in the
local area would write them a letter on their typewriter like:

\"Dear Management. I was dismayed to see how lazy your employees were
with respect to apprehending shoplifters.

If I were an employee at that establishment I would pull out my Glock
and my AR and put 800 rounds into that shoplifter! I would then build a
nuclear bomb and go to the nearest low-income housing project and blow
it up with a nuclear bomb. I refuse to shop at your chain anymore until
you equip all employees with nuclear bombs to prevent merchandise
shrinkage.\"

so they just say \"it\'s a liability issue\" and those guys understand

Why do you keep inventing people who don\'t exist, complete with
imaginary quotes, so that you can mock them?

That\'s a really weird compulsion.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[David Lesher]

Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> writes:

Of course, the operator can also take steps to make such thefts
less profitable. E.g., pare down the amount of cash left
inside \"after hours\". But, that adds to servicing costs.

In St. Louis, the unlabeled building that the ATM-fillers worked
from was hit by an armed gang. Seems it was unknown to the cops
as well as the public. (I suspect that was a strategic decision
because they suspected the cops...)

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that\'s close..........................
Unless the host (that isn\'t close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

 

[Don Y]

On 12/27/2021 3:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

It is almost impossible to stop a determined thief.

My aunt? (second cousin? I have no idea what her actual relationship
was, to me) came home to find the door frame torn from her home. And,
her furs \"missing\". Of course, she enjoyed flaunting her wealth so
was she surprised to discover someone else \"coveted\" it?

A workmate would often speak of his gun collection. And, the alarm
system that protected it...
....until the day he came in to lament how it had been *stolen*.

One of my MDs came home to find the safe chiseled out of his
floor. Someone spotted it being carted across the golf course
(that adjoins his property) in a wheelbarrow and alerted the
police.

If you think people will envy your possessions, they likely *will*.
And, some may use your enthusiasm as a motivating factor!

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

Hard without adding an artificial dependency: \"Call to enable your
miter saw\", \"Call to download the latest update for your saw\", etc.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.

Wrenches aren\'t high enough value. Here, they lock up (hand) power
tools, dremel bits, etc. Things that are worth a bit, for their size.
(are you going to walk off with a *single* wrench? More likely, you\'d
want a set of sockets, etc.)

Some items are made difficult to remove from their displays -- but, that
wouldn\'t deter a motivated thief. I htink the goal is to make any attempts
to remove them from those displays \"noticeable\" and hope that floor walkers
will stumble upon that attempt before it bears fruit.

There\'s also a difference between a \"locally owned\" Ace and a \"corporate
outlet\" Home Depot: in the former, it is more of a personal loss as
the franchise holder likely takes the hit for his losses (whereas HD
corporate takes the loss for theirs)

There are also efforts made to \"endear\" customers to the local owner(s)
(isn\'t this the reason behind \"greeters\"?). E.g., the local Ace makes
popcorn and gives out small bags to visitors (\"no purchase necessary\").
I think the reasoning is that you will be less likely to steal from
folks that \"have faces\".

 

[Don Y]

On 12/27/2021 6:00 PM, David Lesher wrote:

Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> writes:


Of course, the operator can also take steps to make such thefts
less profitable. E.g., pare down the amount of cash left
inside \"after hours\". But, that adds to servicing costs.

In St. Louis, the unlabeled building that the ATM-fillers worked
from was hit by an armed gang. Seems it was unknown to the cops
as well as the public. (I suspect that was a strategic decision
because they suspected the cops...)

Ha! Too funny!

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

tirsdag den 28. december 2021 kl. 02.43.16 UTC+1 skrev Don Y:

On 12/27/2021 3:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.
It is almost impossible to stop a determined thief.

My aunt? (second cousin? I have no idea what her actual relationship
was, to me) came home to find the door frame torn from her home. And,
her furs \"missing\". Of course, she enjoyed flaunting her wealth so
was she surprised to discover someone else \"coveted\" it?

A workmate would often speak of his gun collection. And, the alarm
system that protected it...
...until the day he came in to lament how it had been *stolen*.

One of my MDs came home to find the safe chiseled out of his
floor. Someone spotted it being carted across the golf course
(that adjoins his property) in a wheelbarrow and alerted the
police.

If you think people will envy your possessions, they likely *will*.
And, some may use your enthusiasm as a motivating factor!
If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.
Hard without adding an artificial dependency: \"Call to enable your
miter saw\", \"Call to download the latest update for your saw\", etc.

seems easy enough, most things these days have an MCU of some sort
just package them without firmware and load the firmware at checkout

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 7:35 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:30:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief


They also have to consider that if there weren\'t an official policy that
every time store employees just let a shoplifter walk out (as would be
the inclination of many at $12 an hour to do) many conservatives in the
local area would write them a letter on their typewriter like:

\"Dear Management. I was dismayed to see how lazy your employees were
with respect to apprehending shoplifters.

If I were an employee at that establishment I would pull out my Glock
and my AR and put 800 rounds into that shoplifter! I would then build a
nuclear bomb and go to the nearest low-income housing project and blow
it up with a nuclear bomb. I refuse to shop at your chain anymore until
you equip all employees with nuclear bombs to prevent merchandise
shrinkage.\"

so they just say \"it\'s a liability issue\" and those guys understand

Why do you keep inventing people who don\'t exist, complete with
imaginary quotes, so that you can mock them?

That\'s a really weird compulsion.

They do exist! I guess you don\'t have Facebook, though.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 8:42 PM, Don Y wrote:

Some items are made difficult to remove from their displays -- but, that
wouldn\'t deter a motivated thief.  I htink the goal is to make any attempts
to remove them from those displays \"noticeable\" and hope that floor walkers
will stumble upon that attempt before it bears fruit.

The last time I went to buy spray paint from Wal Mart (where they keep
it locked up like that also) the employee just unlocked the cabinet for
me and said \"Help self\" and went back around the corner to do some other
task, I guess I don\'t look too much like a thief /shrug

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 8:44 PM, Don Y wrote:

On 12/27/2021 6:00 PM, David Lesher wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> writes:


Of course, the operator can also take steps to make such thefts
less profitable.  E.g., pare down the amount of cash left
inside \"after hours\".  But, that adds to servicing costs.

In St. Louis, the unlabeled building that the ATM-fillers worked
from was hit by an armed gang.  Seems it was unknown to the cops
as well as the public. (I suspect that was a strategic decision
because they suspected the cops...)

Ha!  Too funny!

This says \"information and services\" not just \"information\":

\"The United States Postal Inspection Service offers a reward of up to
the amounts shown for information and services leading to the arrest and
conviction of any person for the following offenses:\"

<https://about.usps.com/posters/pos296/welcome.htm>

Pretty sure that means you can be an independent bounty hunter for the
postal service, yeah? Remember that the next time you see someone
accosting a letter carrier they just made you a $50,000 proposition if
you jump him and drag him in to collect.

 

[Don Y]

On 12/27/2021 7:42 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 12/27/2021 8:42 PM, Don Y wrote:

Some items are made difficult to remove from their displays -- but, that
wouldn\'t deter a motivated thief. I htink the goal is to make any attempts
to remove them from those displays \"noticeable\" and hope that floor walkers
will stumble upon that attempt before it bears fruit.

The last time I went to buy spray paint from Wal Mart (where they keep it
locked up like that also) the employee just unlocked the cabinet for me and
said \"Help self\" and went back around the corner to do some other task, I guess
I don\'t look too much like a thief /shrug

Here, spray paint is locked up to deter tagging. So, his assessment of you
had nothing to do with how likely you\'d be to *steal* the paint but, rather,
whether the local ordinances allow spray paint to be sold to younguns/shady
characters.

Similarly, sudafed is \"behind the counter\" to ensure folks don\'t come in
and buy 100 boxes (clearly not \"for personal consumption\")

 

[Don Y]

On 12/27/2021 6:53 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

tirsdag den 28. december 2021 kl. 02.43.16 UTC+1 skrev Don Y:
On 12/27/2021 3:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.
It is almost impossible to stop a determined thief.

My aunt? (second cousin? I have no idea what her actual relationship
was, to me) came home to find the door frame torn from her home. And,
her furs \"missing\". Of course, she enjoyed flaunting her wealth so
was she surprised to discover someone else \"coveted\" it?

A workmate would often speak of his gun collection. And, the alarm
system that protected it...
...until the day he came in to lament how it had been *stolen*.

One of my MDs came home to find the safe chiseled out of his
floor. Someone spotted it being carted across the golf course
(that adjoins his property) in a wheelbarrow and alerted the
police.

If you think people will envy your possessions, they likely *will*.
And, some may use your enthusiasm as a motivating factor!
If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.
Hard without adding an artificial dependency: \"Call to enable your
miter saw\", \"Call to download the latest update for your saw\", etc.

seems easy enough, most things these days have an MCU of some sort
just package them without firmware and load the firmware at checkout

I don\'t have any power tools with MCUs in them.

And, for devices that inherently contain such kit, the hassle of
keeping all of that firmware/authorization keys accessible to
minimum wage employees that can\'t \"make change\" is likely a
costly investment -- as customers would quickly learn that your
\"cashiers\" screw up \"product initialization\".

And, for after-sale initialization, you\'d replace that step
at the checkout with some sort of \"unique token exchange\"
(that is used with a service to enable your device).

Likely not going to make sense for anything other than high
price/margin items.

E.g., you can use a Nest thermostat without an internet connection.

 

[server]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 21:24:08 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 7:35 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:30:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief


They also have to consider that if there weren\'t an official policy that
every time store employees just let a shoplifter walk out (as would be
the inclination of many at $12 an hour to do) many conservatives in the
local area would write them a letter on their typewriter like:

\"Dear Management. I was dismayed to see how lazy your employees were
with respect to apprehending shoplifters.

If I were an employee at that establishment I would pull out my Glock
and my AR and put 800 rounds into that shoplifter! I would then build a
nuclear bomb and go to the nearest low-income housing project and blow
it up with a nuclear bomb. I refuse to shop at your chain anymore until
you equip all employees with nuclear bombs to prevent merchandise
shrinkage.\"

so they just say \"it\'s a liability issue\" and those guys understand

Why do you keep inventing people who don\'t exist, complete with
imaginary quotes, so that you can mock them?

That\'s a really weird compulsion.


They do exist! I guess you don\'t have Facebook, though.

So that is an actual quote, about Glocks and nuclear bombs?



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Don Y]

On 12/27/2021 8:08 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 12/27/2021 8:44 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 12/27/2021 6:00 PM, David Lesher wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> writes:


Of course, the operator can also take steps to make such thefts
less profitable. E.g., pare down the amount of cash left
inside \"after hours\". But, that adds to servicing costs.

In St. Louis, the unlabeled building that the ATM-fillers worked
from was hit by an armed gang. Seems it was unknown to the cops
as well as the public. (I suspect that was a strategic decision
because they suspected the cops...)

Ha! Too funny!


This says \"information and services\" not just \"information\":

\"The United States Postal Inspection Service offers a reward of up to the
amounts shown for information and services leading to the arrest and conviction
of any person for the following offenses:\"

https://about.usps.com/posters/pos296/welcome.htm

Pretty sure that means you can be an independent bounty hunter for the postal
service, yeah? Remember that the next time you see someone accosting a letter
carrier they just made you a $50,000 proposition if you jump him and drag him
in to collect.

I can\'t recall of anyone accosting a letter carrier, here.

I\'ve read of cases where postal *employees* \"went postal\".

And, of letter carriers who \"dumped\" mail (e.g., Newman on Seinfeld).

But, the real threat to mail, here, is folks going through mailboxes
in search of checks, blank checks, financial information, etc.

[We have several \"Boxes\" to help limit the number of eyes/hands
who have access to our mail]

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 10:19 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 21:24:08 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 7:35 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:30:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief


They also have to consider that if there weren\'t an official policy that
every time store employees just let a shoplifter walk out (as would be
the inclination of many at $12 an hour to do) many conservatives in the
local area would write them a letter on their typewriter like:

\"Dear Management. I was dismayed to see how lazy your employees were
with respect to apprehending shoplifters.

If I were an employee at that establishment I would pull out my Glock
and my AR and put 800 rounds into that shoplifter! I would then build a
nuclear bomb and go to the nearest low-income housing project and blow
it up with a nuclear bomb. I refuse to shop at your chain anymore until
you equip all employees with nuclear bombs to prevent merchandise
shrinkage.\"

so they just say \"it\'s a liability issue\" and those guys understand

Why do you keep inventing people who don\'t exist, complete with
imaginary quotes, so that you can mock them?

That\'s a really weird compulsion.


They do exist! I guess you don\'t have Facebook, though.

So that is an actual quote, about Glocks and nuclear bombs?

No it is obviously a hyperbolic statement intended for comedic effect;
the statements which some patriotic Americans actually make regarding
what they\'d do to shoplifters or some other type of person whom they
find irksome today are rarely comical, only scary.

I don\'t keep a detailed record of them myself. Social media probably
does, they save most everything I expect.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 11:35:29 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:30:09 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:

<snip>

\"Dear Management. I was dismayed to see how lazy your employees were
with respect to apprehending shoplifters.

If I were an employee at that establishment I would pull out my Glock
and my AR and put 800 rounds into that shoplifter! I would then build a
nuclear bomb and go to the nearest low-income housing project and blow
it up with a nuclear bomb. I refuse to shop at your chain anymore until
you equip all employees with nuclear bombs to prevent merchandise
shrinkage.\"

so they just say \"it\'s a liability issue\" and those guys understand
Why do you keep inventing people who don\'t exist, complete with
imaginary quotes, so that you can mock them?

It\'s called satire. The real quotes we get here are bizarre enough that you have to put in something about nuclear weapons to make sure that people like you shouldn\'t take it seriously. It didn\'t seem to work.

> That\'s a really weird compulsion.

What\'s really weird is the stuff the you post when you think you are being serious. \"Economists don\'t know anything about the way the economy really works - everything they do screws it up even worse\".

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 10:14 PM, Don Y wrote:

On 12/27/2021 7:42 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 12/27/2021 8:42 PM, Don Y wrote:

Some items are made difficult to remove from their displays -- but, that
wouldn\'t deter a motivated thief.  I htink the goal is to make any
attempts
to remove them from those displays \"noticeable\" and hope that floor
walkers
will stumble upon that attempt before it bears fruit.

The last time I went to buy spray paint from Wal Mart (where they keep
it locked up like that also) the employee just unlocked the cabinet
for me and said \"Help self\" and went back around the corner to do some
other task, I guess I don\'t look too much like a thief /shrug

Here, spray paint is locked up to deter tagging.  So, his assessment of you
had nothing to do with how likely you\'d be to *steal* the paint but,
rather,
whether the local ordinances allow spray paint to be sold to younguns/shady
characters.

Looks like it\'s illegal to sell spray paint to anyone under the age of
18 in my state, I didn\'t know that but it\'s been a while since I was 18,
the law is from 2006.

Refusing to open the cabinet to someone who was old enough but looked
\"shady\" sounds like a lawsuit to me.

Similarly, sudafed is \"behind the counter\" to ensure folks don\'t come in
and buy 100 boxes (clearly not \"for personal consumption\")

I wonder if they lock up the bowling shoe spray.

 

[server]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 22:26:45 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 10:19 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 21:24:08 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 7:35 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:30:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief


They also have to consider that if there weren\'t an official policy that
every time store employees just let a shoplifter walk out (as would be
the inclination of many at $12 an hour to do) many conservatives in the
local area would write them a letter on their typewriter like:

\"Dear Management. I was dismayed to see how lazy your employees were
with respect to apprehending shoplifters.

If I were an employee at that establishment I would pull out my Glock
and my AR and put 800 rounds into that shoplifter! I would then build a
nuclear bomb and go to the nearest low-income housing project and blow
it up with a nuclear bomb. I refuse to shop at your chain anymore until
you equip all employees with nuclear bombs to prevent merchandise
shrinkage.\"

so they just say \"it\'s a liability issue\" and those guys understand

Why do you keep inventing people who don\'t exist, complete with
imaginary quotes, so that you can mock them?

That\'s a really weird compulsion.


They do exist! I guess you don\'t have Facebook, though.

So that is an actual quote, about Glocks and nuclear bombs?


No it is obviously a hyperbolic statement intended for comedic effect;

Some people think sneering contempt is funny. It\'s not.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[bitrex]

On 12/27/2021 10:42 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 22:26:45 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 10:19 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 21:24:08 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 7:35 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:30:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 5:49 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 27. december 2021 kl. 23.38.06 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 12/27/2021 5:16 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:15:06 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 12/27/2021 12:51 PM, bitrex wrote:
Capture/conviction rates for bank robberies are high -- yet
folks still try to rob banks! Clearly, \"the word\" hasn\'t
gotten out sufficiently to deter them...

They think banks still keep large amounts of cash sitting around all the time
like Bonnie & Clyde days, when many bank branches in 2021 probably don\'t have
that much more readily-accessible currency on hand at any particular time than
the average large convenience store; the Brinks truck does a couple runs a day
to my local branch and I figure that is mostly pulling cash out, not many go to
a branch bank to do large cash withdrawals, anymore.

I imagine not many go to make large cash *deposits*, either!

When I use cash as a form of payment (esp for big ticket items)
it\'s almost as if they are afraid to handle it.

I\'ve tended to assume much of the jewelry you see in display cases in jewelry
stores in relatively insecure locations like shopping malls are \"display
models\" but I\'ve never bought high-end jewelry from a place like that, and it\'s
not information I suppose any particular store gives out to random people.

There are increasingly more common thefts of \"other stuff\". Cigarettes
being one \"high value, low mass\" item (a friend said a carton of smokes is
close to $90? That sounds high... why not just snort coke? :-/ )

You can get a feel for what stores consider as high theft (value) items
by seeing what they keep locked up. E.g., Ace tends to keep it\'s small
hand tools in a locked display case -- no doubt they would grow legs,
otherwise.

OTOH, I noticed Home Despot had gensets in a locked case. Do folks often
slip one under their shirt and waltz out of the store??!

There are videos of guys sticking big Dewalt table saws and such like
into carts and just walking/running out the door.

If the workers are told not to intervene then locking them up is one
way to reduce losses. They\'re also working on being able to remotely
brick them.

However, when you go into a store and all the wrenches and such like
are in locked cabinets it makes you want to not return to that
particular store.
Nah they only people the big-box retail stores tends to really want the
book thrown at if they\'re caught stealing is their own employees.
Management is unlikely to give an employee even a 1% cash reward if they
prevent $5000 worth of stuff from being stolen but God help that
employee if they steal $50.

they don\'t want to get stuck with the bill for an employee getting hurt
trying to stop a thief


They also have to consider that if there weren\'t an official policy that
every time store employees just let a shoplifter walk out (as would be
the inclination of many at $12 an hour to do) many conservatives in the
local area would write them a letter on their typewriter like:

\"Dear Management. I was dismayed to see how lazy your employees were
with respect to apprehending shoplifters.

If I were an employee at that establishment I would pull out my Glock
and my AR and put 800 rounds into that shoplifter! I would then build a
nuclear bomb and go to the nearest low-income housing project and blow
it up with a nuclear bomb. I refuse to shop at your chain anymore until
you equip all employees with nuclear bombs to prevent merchandise
shrinkage.\"

so they just say \"it\'s a liability issue\" and those guys understand

Why do you keep inventing people who don\'t exist, complete with
imaginary quotes, so that you can mock them?

That\'s a really weird compulsion.


They do exist! I guess you don\'t have Facebook, though.

So that is an actual quote, about Glocks and nuclear bombs?


No it is obviously a hyperbolic statement intended for comedic effect;

Some people think sneering contempt is funny. It\'s not.

I do tend to think people who think shoplifters should be shot for their
crime are pretty contemptible...