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[terryc]

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:20:48 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote:

Acting Legend Karl Malden Dead At 97

Finally, someone who was very good.
And joined by Molly Sugden, who was rememberable.

Shame the ABC just couldn't bring the news to saying the pussy joke.


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[KR]

On Jun 28, 2:21 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:4A46B8AB.F097FB78@yahoo.com...

Jackson was found innocent by the forces of law, i.e. a jury.

A jury cannot "find a person innocent", they can only find them
"not (proven) guilty" for any number of reasons.
The two are NOT the same thing at all. Just ask OJ Simpson.

Whatever.  You are still condemning him on bias, not knowledge.

Nope, just like OJ he paid out millions of dollars to the victim's family..

MrT.

Maybe this will be of interest.

http://jnelj.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/breaking-news-jordan-chandler-confesses-%E2%80%9Cmichael-jackson-didn%E2%80%99t-do-anything-to-me/

http://news.bakililar.az/english_23310.html


Also odd that I have yet to see this on Australian news as it would
blow
the Australian government / police propaganda policy that "every man
is a pedophile, or a pedophile in the making".

Without wanting to create any offence to you personally, you seem to
have
a similar attitude based on your comments.
If you were on a jury in such a case, I wouldn't believe
you could make a fair and just decision based on facts rather than
media bias or
personal feelings on the nature of the alleged crime.

This applies to a significant proportion of the population too IMHO.

This bias is probably why the thing was settled out of court.

I hope you press as hard for justice to be done to this bastard for
what he had done
to Jackson. Charges of Blackmail, extortion, perjury and instant
freezing of all assets pending transfer to Jackson's estate if found
guilty would be a good start. If you dont, then one day you could be
the next victim of this kind of human filth.

 

[KR]

On Jun 30, 6:22 am, "sv07171024" <svh_oe...@telenet.be> wrote:

Fact: 40-ish man invites little boys to come over and play with him in the
children's room he decorated for them in his house.
What bias do you need?
Guilty.

It is not illegal to do anything like that, although I admit that
these days (if a male) you would have to be totally crazy to go
anywhere near kids or as much as look at or talk to children for fear
of being branded or assumed to be a pedo, let alone have them coming
to your house like jacko did.

I hope you dont have your kids friends come over, coach kids sport, or
work
legitimately with children in fully legal ways, just to have someone
makes false accusations against you, and then have someone like you
sit in judgement of you !

"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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"Mr.T" wrote:
"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Jackson was found innocent by the forces of law, i.e. a jury.

A jury cannot "find a person innocent", they can only find them
"not (proven) guilty" for any number of reasons.
The two are NOT the same thing at all. Just ask OJ Simpson.

Whatever.  You are still condemning him on bias, not knowledge.

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[dmm]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:06:45 -0700 (PDT), KR <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jun 28, 2:21 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:
"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:4A46B8AB.F097FB78@yahoo.com...

Jackson was found innocent by the forces of law, i.e. a jury.

A jury cannot "find a person innocent", they can only find them
"not (proven) guilty" for any number of reasons.
The two are NOT the same thing at all. Just ask OJ Simpson.

Whatever.  You are still condemning him on bias, not knowledge.

Nope, just like OJ he paid out millions of dollars to the victim's family.

MrT.


Maybe this will be of interest.

http://jnelj.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/breaking-news-jordan-chandler-confesses-%E2%80%9Cmichael-jackson-didn%E2%80%99t-do-anything-to-me/

http://news.bakililar.az/english_23310.html

I'll start to believe it when the url has "http://www.cnn.com" or another reputable news service in it.

dmm

 

[Mr.T]

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3354d813-aa4b-492d-9375-0b0024a2447a@l5g2000pra.googlegroups.com...

It is not illegal to do anything like that,

Bit of a stretch there!

although I admit that
these days (if a male) you would have to be totally crazy to go
anywhere near kids or as much as look at or talk to children for fear
of being branded or assumed to be a pedo, let alone have them coming
to your house like jacko did.

Yep, that's the way our society now is, you may not like it, but you have to
live with it or face the consequences.

I hope you dont have your kids friends come over, coach kids sport, or
work
legitimately with children in fully legal ways, just to have someone
makes false accusations against you, and then have someone like you
sit in judgement of you !

That's the way it is. Locally we have to pay for a police check to do most
of those things now (you recieve a "working with children" card, and it is a
crime to not have one when teaching, coaching, child minding etc.)

Men had better be careful kissing their own kids goodnight these days, let
alone do anything remotely suspicious with anybody else's kids!
Jacko was simply rich enough to ignore common sense. (which in his case was
probably just as well for him

However I should point out I'm *not* saying he necessarily did anything that
would bother me or not. Like everyone else, I simply do not know all the
facts.

MrT.

 

[David Brown]

Mr.T wrote:

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3354d813-aa4b-492d-9375-0b0024a2447a@l5g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
It is not illegal to do anything like that,

Bit of a stretch there!

although I admit that
these days (if a male) you would have to be totally crazy to go
anywhere near kids or as much as look at or talk to children for fear
of being branded or assumed to be a pedo, let alone have them coming
to your house like jacko did.

Yep, that's the way our society now is, you may not like it, but you have to
live with it or face the consequences.

When you say "our society", are you just talking about Australia (though
I know it's somewhat similar in the UK)? comp.arch.embedded is a very
international group, and some of us live in societies that are still
sane. Where I live (small town Norway), kids can go to the play park
themselves, and when people go swimming in the nearby river, pre-school
kids are frequently naked. I expect we have much the same level of
real, dangerous pedos as anywhere else - but we don't have imaginary
ones, and we don't run our society based on a paranoid fear.

 

[KR]

On Jul 7, 12:35 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"KR" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:3354d813-aa4b-492d-9375-0b0024a2447a@l5g2000pra.googlegroups.com...

It is not illegal to do anything like that,

Bit of a stretch there!

oops !

I meant "playing with" as in normal play/recreation, not "playing with
" in a
sexual way

although I admit that
these days (if a male) you would have to be totally crazy to  go
anywhere near kids or as much as look at or talk to children for fear
of being branded or assumed to be a pedo, let alone have them coming
to your house like jacko did.

Yep, that's the way our society now is, you may not like it, but you have to
live with it or face the consequences.

Its true, and agree with that.

I hope you dont have your kids friends come over, coach kids sport, or
work
legitimately with children in fully legal ways, just to have someone
makes false accusations against you, and then have someone like you
sit in judgement of you !

That's the way it is. Locally we have to pay for a police check to do most
of those things now (you recieve a "working with children" card, and it is a
crime to not have one when teaching, coaching, child minding etc.)

Same here. A couple of friends who had high school age kids were

coaching swimming
and basketball respectively at their kids school (including their own
kids) outside school hours. When the new requirements came in, about
80% of the parents in the groups just quit as they:
1> didn't want to "pay to volunteer" and
2> didn't want the hassle of forms, bureaucracy, interviews etc to
have the right to "do something for nothing".
3>Insulted at having their years of integrity as family men, with no
criminal record etc questioned

Men had better be careful kissing their own kids goodnight these days, let
alone do anything remotely suspicious with anybody else's kids!
Jacko was simply rich enough to ignore common sense. (which in his case was
probably just as well for him


I would add " even having kids" to that list.


However I should point out I'm *not* saying he necessarily did anything that
would bother me or not. Like everyone else, I simply do not know all the
facts.

Agreed, none of us know, only jacko and the victims (if there are any)
will know.

The rest you can be assured will be based on media hype, loaded with
bullshit in order to sell more papers, get more viewers etc. Even
jacko himself is for certain the product of media crafted image in
order to sell records, like just about any other "celebrity".


> MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"David Brown" <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote in message
news:4a52f67f$0$6278$8404b019@news.wineasy.se...

Yep, that's the way our society now is, you may not like it, but you
have to
live with it or face the consequences.

When you say "our society", are you just talking about Australia (though
I know it's somewhat similar in the UK)?

Well yes, I was really referring to USA, Australia, UK etc. But you are
right, it certainly doesn't apply in some countries.

comp.arch.embedded is a very
international group, and some of us live in societies that are still
sane. Where I live (small town Norway), kids can go to the play park
themselves, and when people go swimming in the nearby river, pre-school
kids are frequently naked. I expect we have much the same level of
real, dangerous pedos as anywhere else - but we don't have imaginary
ones, and we don't run our society based on a paranoid fear.

Glad to hear some don't. But then there are others that still believe in
killing their children or siblings even.
(And even the Norwegians do things many others don't consider totally
"sane", like killing whales just because they've always done it.)

MrT.

 

[David Brown]

Mr.T wrote:

"David Brown" <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> wrote in message
news:4a52f67f$0$6278$8404b019@news.wineasy.se...
Yep, that's the way our society now is, you may not like it, but you
have to
live with it or face the consequences.
When you say "our society", are you just talking about Australia (though
I know it's somewhat similar in the UK)?

Well yes, I was really referring to USA, Australia, UK etc. But you are
right, it certainly doesn't apply in some countries.

comp.arch.embedded is a very
international group, and some of us live in societies that are still
sane. Where I live (small town Norway), kids can go to the play park
themselves, and when people go swimming in the nearby river, pre-school
kids are frequently naked. I expect we have much the same level of
real, dangerous pedos as anywhere else - but we don't have imaginary
ones, and we don't run our society based on a paranoid fear.

Glad to hear some don't. But then there are others that still believe in
killing their children or siblings even.

In every country there are people that stand out in their crimes or
ill-treatment of others - Norway is no different here. But in
comparison to the UK (which as a Scot I know much better than the USA or
Australia), we seem to be much better at understanding that these people
are the exceptions. Norway has its share of murderers, pedos, etc. -
but we don't treat innocent people as "potential murderers" or
"potential pedos".

(And even the Norwegians do things many others don't consider totally
"sane", like killing whales just because they've always done it.)

And just like people, every culture has its facets that others find
immoral or unethical (I can think of several regarding Australia, the
UK, and the USA - but I don't think spelling them out would add anything
here).

Whaling in Norway is a complicated issue, with many here strongly
supporting it and many strongly condemning it. Part of the issue is, I
think, I desire to prove our independence.

 

[mark krawczuk]

doesnt matter which way u look at it , michael jacksons still a pedophile.



"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4A46B8AB.F097FB78@yahoo.com...

"Mr.T" wrote:
"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Jackson was found innocent by the forces of law, i.e. a jury.

A jury cannot "find a person innocent", they can only find them
"not (proven) guilty" for any number of reasons.
The two are NOT the same thing at all. Just ask OJ Simpson.

Whatever. You are still condemning him on bias, not knowledge.

--
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[mark krawczuk]

if michael jackson wasnt a rock spider , then why did he pay out $20
million dollars to a kids parents IN ONE CASE ????
i mean , IF you where innocent , would you pay out 20 million dollars ,
???

i dont think so ..



"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cd13a21f-e38d-465c-92a7-64b4e03e6196@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 28, 2:21 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:

"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:4A46B8AB.F097FB78@yahoo.com...

Jackson was found innocent by the forces of law, i.e. a jury.

A jury cannot "find a person innocent", they can only find them
"not (proven) guilty" for any number of reasons.
The two are NOT the same thing at all. Just ask OJ Simpson.

Whatever. You are still condemning him on bias, not knowledge.

Nope, just like OJ he paid out millions of dollars to the victim's family.

MrT.

Maybe this will be of interest.

http://jnelj.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/breaking-news-jordan-chandler-confesses-%E2%80%9Cmichael-jackson-didn%E2%80%99t-do-anything-to-me/

http://news.bakililar.az/english_23310.html


Also odd that I have yet to see this on Australian news as it would
blow
the Australian government / police propaganda policy that "every man
is a pedophile, or a pedophile in the making".

Without wanting to create any offence to you personally, you seem to
have
a similar attitude based on your comments.
If you were on a jury in such a case, I wouldn't believe
you could make a fair and just decision based on facts rather than
media bias or
personal feelings on the nature of the alleged crime.

This applies to a significant proportion of the population too IMHO.

This bias is probably why the thing was settled out of court.

I hope you press as hard for justice to be done to this bastard for
what he had done
to Jackson. Charges of Blackmail, extortion, perjury and instant
freezing of all assets pending transfer to Jackson's estate if found
guilty would be a good start. If you dont, then one day you could be
the next victim of this kind of human filth.

 

[mark krawczuk]

and also he says " its natural to sleep with little children on tv "



what a wacko



"sv07171024" <svh_oeuse@telenet.be> wrote in message
news:0o92m.3996$u75.3718@newsfe19.ams2...

Fact: 40-ish man invites little boys to come over and play with him in the
children's room he decorated for them in his house.
What bias do you need?
Guilty.


"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4A46B8AB.F097FB78@yahoo.com...
"Mr.T" wrote:
"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Jackson was found innocent by the forces of law, i.e. a jury.

A jury cannot "find a person innocent", they can only find them
"not (proven) guilty" for any number of reasons.
The two are NOT the same thing at all. Just ask OJ Simpson.

Whatever. You are still condemning him on bias, not knowledge.

--
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[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net
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[mark krawczuk]

what U THINK he " slept " with the kids and did nt molest em.... dont
forget $ 20 million payout ///

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3354d813-aa4b-492d-9375-0b0024a2447a@l5g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 30, 6:22 am, "sv07171024" <svh_oe...@telenet.be> wrote:

Fact: 40-ish man invites little boys to come over and play with him in the
children's room he decorated for them in his house.
What bias do you need?
Guilty.

It is not illegal to do anything like that, although I admit that
these days (if a male) you would have to be totally crazy to go
anywhere near kids or as much as look at or talk to children for fear
of being branded or assumed to be a pedo, let alone have them coming
to your house like jacko did.

I hope you dont have your kids friends come over, coach kids sport, or
work
legitimately with children in fully legal ways, just to have someone
makes false accusations against you, and then have someone like you
sit in judgement of you !

"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:4A46B8AB.F097FB78@yahoo.com...

"Mr.T" wrote:
"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Jackson was found innocent by the forces of law, i.e. a jury.

A jury cannot "find a person innocent", they can only find them
"not (proven) guilty" for any number of reasons.
The two are NOT the same thing at all. Just ask OJ Simpson.

Whatever. You are still condemning him on bias, not knowledge.

--
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[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net
Try the download section.

 

[mark krawczuk]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
news:4a52b452$0$23632$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3354d813-aa4b-492d-9375-0b0024a2447a@l5g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
It is not illegal to do anything like that,

Bit of a stretch there!

although I admit that
these days (if a male) you would have to be totally crazy to go
anywhere near kids or as much as look at or talk to children for fear
of being branded or assumed to be a pedo, let alone have them coming
to your house like jacko did.

Yep, that's the way our society now is, you may not like it, but you have
to
live with it or face the consequences.


I hope you dont have your kids friends come over, coach kids sport, or
work
legitimately with children in fully legal ways, just to have someone
makes false accusations against you, and then have someone like you
sit in judgement of you !

That's the way it is. Locally we have to pay for a police check to do most
of those things now (you recieve a "working with children" card, and it is
a
crime to not have one when teaching, coaching, child minding etc.)

======================================================================================================
ah , hem , if you have gotten a police check , read it carefully , it
says on the form , that this doesnt prove that your not wanted or done any
bad things..( basically )..
=======================================================================================================

Men had better be careful kissing their own kids goodnight these days, let
alone do anything remotely suspicious with anybody else's kids!
Jacko was simply rich enough to ignore common sense. (which in his case
was
probably just as well for him

However I should point out I'm *not* saying he necessarily did anything
that
would bother me or not. Like everyone else, I simply do not know all the
facts.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"mark krawczuk" <krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote in message
news:r_mdnX62RNu-zMjXnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@adnap.net.au...

That's the way it is. Locally we have to pay for a police check to do
most
of those things now (you recieve a "working with children" card, and it
is
a crime to not have one when teaching, coaching, child minding etc.)

ah , hem , if you have gotten a police check , read it carefully , it
says on the form , that this doesnt prove that your not wanted or done
any
bad things..( basically )..

So? That's just to cover their own arse, and doesn't contradict what I said,
i.e. it is now a legal requirement in some places to have such a card,
whether it proves anything or not!
No police check can ever prevent what *may* happen in the future, only weed
out some of those who have already been convicted of such an offence.
I guess the interesting question is whether Jacko would have been given one
Rather a pointless debate now however.

MrT.

 

[terryc]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:35:41 +0930, mark krawczuk wrote:

and also he says " its natural to sleep with little children on tv "
what a wacko

Lol, not everyone sleeps in a palatial mansion with 10 bedrooms, 5
bathrooms and servants. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that one room
sleeping multiple adults and children is the norm throughout the world.

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[Mr.T]

"terryc" <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:4a5556b0$0$68552$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

Lol, not everyone sleeps in a palatial mansion with 10 bedrooms, 5
bathrooms and servants. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that one room
sleeping multiple adults and children is the norm throughout the world.

But not so much when the house *IS* a palatial mansion with 10 bedrooms, and
the adult is not related to the children I imagine.

MrT.

 

[David Brown]

mark krawczuk wrote:

if michael jackson wasnt a rock spider , then why did he pay out $20
million dollars to a kids parents IN ONE CASE ????
i mean , IF you where innocent , would you pay out 20 million dollars ,
???

i dont think so ..

Money is relative. Although later he had a lot of economic troubles, at
one point he had seriously large amounts of money. For him at the time,
it would be easy to make a payoff of $20mil to minimise publicity and
get the case out of the way so he can carry with his life and carrier.
As a percentage of his fortune, it was perhaps the equivalent of $200
for a "normal" person - easily worth it.

So I don't think the payout shows any indication about his guilt or
innocence. The criminal courts did not find him guilty, therefore he is
legally innocent of the crimes charged. That's not the same thing as
saying he is truly innocent - there's a lot of grey areas in a situation
like this.

I think it's fair to say that no one here has any basis for judging his
guilt beyond the courts decision. A person is presumed innocent until
proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt - that's the way democratic
judicial systems work.

"KR" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cd13a21f-e38d-465c-92a7-64b4e03e6196@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 28, 2:21 pm, "Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote:
"CBFalconer" <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:4A46B8AB.F097FB78@yahoo.com...

Jackson was found innocent by the forces of law, i.e. a jury.
A jury cannot "find a person innocent", they can only find them
"not (proven) guilty" for any number of reasons.
The two are NOT the same thing at all. Just ask OJ Simpson.
Whatever. You are still condemning him on bias, not knowledge.
Nope, just like OJ he paid out millions of dollars to the victim's family.

MrT.


Maybe this will be of interest.

http://jnelj.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/breaking-news-jordan-chandler-confesses-%E2%80%9Cmichael-jackson-didn%E2%80%99t-do-anything-to-me/

http://news.bakililar.az/english_23310.html


Also odd that I have yet to see this on Australian news as it would
blow
the Australian government / police propaganda policy that "every man
is a pedophile, or a pedophile in the making".

Without wanting to create any offence to you personally, you seem to
have
a similar attitude based on your comments.
If you were on a jury in such a case, I wouldn't believe
you could make a fair and just decision based on facts rather than
media bias or
personal feelings on the nature of the alleged crime.

This applies to a significant proportion of the population too IMHO.

This bias is probably why the thing was settled out of court.

I hope you press as hard for justice to be done to this bastard for
what he had done
to Jackson. Charges of Blackmail, extortion, perjury and instant
freezing of all assets pending transfer to Jackson's estate if found
guilty would be a good start. If you dont, then one day you could be
the next victim of this kind of human filth.

 

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-07-09, mark krawczuk <krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote:

if michael jackson wasnt a rock spider , then why did he pay
out $20 million dollars to a kids parents IN ONE CASE ???? i
mean , IF you where innocent , would you pay out 20 million
dollars , ???

i dont think so ..

We've already discussed that. You settle ("pay out") when

1) your team of attorneys have decided it's cheaper than
trying the case.

2) The cost of losing the case at trial is so high that you
can't tolerate even a small chance of losing.

You also have to balance those points against the liklihood
that a settlement will encourange other people to sue.

Being "guilty" or "innocent" doesn't even enter into the
calculation most of the time.

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[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-07-09, mark krawczuk <krawczuk@adam.com.au> wrote:

and also he says "it's natural to sleep with little children on tv"

what a wacko

I don't think anybody is arguing that he's you average,
ordinary guy.

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at I'm an authorized "SNOOTS
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