OT: Rittenhouse shot \"three black men\" - apparently!...

On 21/11/2021 08:29, nightjar wrote:
On 20/11/2021 17:26, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 20/11/2021 14:35, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:16:10 +0000 (GMT), \"Dave Plowman (News)\"
dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <snan38$9t1$1@dont-email.me>,
   Jim GM4DHJ ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 20/11/2021 11:20, Cursitor Doom wrote:
The usual impartial, truthful reporting from the usual, impartial
sources: the MSM:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/11/19/fact-check-false-uk-publication-claims-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-three-black-men/

   --

\"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in
the single
   sentence: abolition of private property.\"

    - The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.

he should sue Biden

Biden\'s lawyers would simply state that since Biden suffers from
advanced dementia, he cannot be held accountable for his words or
actions.

Interesting that Doom links to an article which gives the history of
those
killed, but not the history of the killer. Wonder why that would be?

I hadn\'t even read that far into the article, Dave. Why don\'t you tell
us what Rittenhouse\'s history is? I admit I\'m not aware of any so do
tell us. Give us the benefit of your superior intellect (I won\'t be
holding my breath).

how much history can you have at 17 ? ...


With nearly 50,000 juveniles incarcerated in the USA, more than half of
them white, quite a lot it seems.
oh right
 
nightjar wrote:
============
With nearly 50,000 juveniles incarcerated in the USA, more than half of
them white, quite a lot it seems.
** Know how many juveniles live in the USA ?
It\'s nearly 50 million.
So only one in a thousand.
Half of them committed no serious crime.
Most of them have terrible family backgrounds or suffered a tragedy.




....... Phil
 
nightjar wrote:
============
With nearly 50,000 juveniles incarcerated in the USA, more than half of
them white, quite a lot it seems.
** Know how many juveniles live in the USA ?
It\'s nearly 50 million.
So only one in a thousand.
Half of them committed no serious crime.
Most of them have terrible family backgrounds or suffered a tragedy.




....... Phil
 
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 08:51:28 +0000, \"Jim GM4DHJ ...\"
<kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

On 21/11/2021 08:29, nightjar wrote:

With nearly 50,000 juveniles incarcerated in the USA, more than half of
them white, quite a lot it seems.

oh right

Young white males are clearly being disproportionately targeted by the
police, then. Glad we got that settled.
--

\"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are
common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it
abolishes all religion,and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new
basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all historical experience.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.
 
On 21/11/2021 08:29, nightjar wrote:
On 20/11/2021 17:26, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 20/11/2021 14:35, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:16:10 +0000 (GMT), \"Dave Plowman (News)\"
dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <snan38$9t1$1@dont-email.me>,
   Jim GM4DHJ ... <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On 20/11/2021 11:20, Cursitor Doom wrote:
The usual impartial, truthful reporting from the usual, impartial
sources: the MSM:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/11/19/fact-check-false-uk-publication-claims-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-three-black-men/

   --

\"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in
the single
   sentence: abolition of private property.\"

    - The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.

he should sue Biden

Biden\'s lawyers would simply state that since Biden suffers from
advanced dementia, he cannot be held accountable for his words or
actions.

Interesting that Doom links to an article which gives the history of
those
killed, but not the history of the killer. Wonder why that would be?

I hadn\'t even read that far into the article, Dave. Why don\'t you tell
us what Rittenhouse\'s history is? I admit I\'m not aware of any so do
tell us. Give us the benefit of your superior intellect (I won\'t be
holding my breath).

how much history can you have at 17 ? ...


With nearly 50,000 juveniles incarcerated in the USA, more than half of
them white, quite a lot it seems.
oh right
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:07:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/20/2021 4:48 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 16:21:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/20/2021 3:55 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
bitrex = fuckwit wrote:
==================

An organization that called him a \"murderer\" instead of \"alleged
murderer\" he might have a case against, but the terms \"domestic
terrorist\" and \"white supremacist\" aren\'t well-defined.

** Don\'t matter.
The context defines the intended meaning.

How many defamation cases did Greta Thunberg win against any of the
creepy 9,000 year old Americans who called her every name under the sun,
much less 9,000 year old American presidents.

These words are used as the material equivalent of the word \"asshole\"

** Absolute crap.


The terms aren\'t well-defined.

Actually they are. Under English law, this publication is generally
cited in court as to precisely what and what is not defamatory (this
is a *very* old edition judging by how slim it is) -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334174838482?hash=item4dce5f5ed2:g:-cQAAOSwCLBhYMMZ

I find it impossible to believe that the US courts don\'t have their
own equivalent (although granted I believe in the US it\'s necessary to
prove malice in the statement made which is not the case in England).

There\'s links to the relevant US case history in the ACLU link I posted.
Anyway, the court system tends to deal with what was actually said, not
what anyone \"imputed.\" Who the fuck knows what an American is thinking
exactly when he says something? I sure don\'t but I\'m not a mind-reader.

Nevertheless, that is a core principle in jurisprudence and a decision
faced by judges and juries across the world every single day in both
civil and criminal lawsuits. This is most familiar to us all in press
reports of murder cases where the jury is tasked with determining if a
defendant had *intended* at the time of the killing to cause death or
serious injury to the victim.
Here\'s a bit of background just in case anyone GaS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_on_the_Clapham_omnibus#Other_related_common_law_jurisdictions

--

\"In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement
against the existing social and political order of things. In all of these
movements, they bring to the front, as a leading question, the issue of
private property ownership.\"

- Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:07:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/20/2021 4:48 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 16:21:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/20/2021 3:55 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
bitrex = fuckwit wrote:
==================

An organization that called him a \"murderer\" instead of \"alleged
murderer\" he might have a case against, but the terms \"domestic
terrorist\" and \"white supremacist\" aren\'t well-defined.

** Don\'t matter.
The context defines the intended meaning.

How many defamation cases did Greta Thunberg win against any of the
creepy 9,000 year old Americans who called her every name under the sun,
much less 9,000 year old American presidents.

These words are used as the material equivalent of the word \"asshole\"

** Absolute crap.


The terms aren\'t well-defined.

Actually they are. Under English law, this publication is generally
cited in court as to precisely what and what is not defamatory (this
is a *very* old edition judging by how slim it is) -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334174838482?hash=item4dce5f5ed2:g:-cQAAOSwCLBhYMMZ

I find it impossible to believe that the US courts don\'t have their
own equivalent (although granted I believe in the US it\'s necessary to
prove malice in the statement made which is not the case in England).

There\'s links to the relevant US case history in the ACLU link I posted.
Anyway, the court system tends to deal with what was actually said, not
what anyone \"imputed.\" Who the fuck knows what an American is thinking
exactly when he says something? I sure don\'t but I\'m not a mind-reader.

Nevertheless, that is a core principle in jurisprudence and a decision
faced by judges and juries across the world every single day in both
civil and criminal lawsuits. This is most familiar to us all in press
reports of murder cases where the jury is tasked with determining if a
defendant had *intended* at the time of the killing to cause death or
serious injury to the victim.
Here\'s a bit of background just in case anyone GaS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_on_the_Clapham_omnibus#Other_related_common_law_jurisdictions

--

\"In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement
against the existing social and political order of things. In all of these
movements, they bring to the front, as a leading question, the issue of
private property ownership.\"

- Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:07:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/20/2021 4:48 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 16:21:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/20/2021 3:55 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
bitrex = fuckwit wrote:
==================

An organization that called him a \"murderer\" instead of \"alleged
murderer\" he might have a case against, but the terms \"domestic
terrorist\" and \"white supremacist\" aren\'t well-defined.

** Don\'t matter.
The context defines the intended meaning.

How many defamation cases did Greta Thunberg win against any of the
creepy 9,000 year old Americans who called her every name under the sun,
much less 9,000 year old American presidents.

These words are used as the material equivalent of the word \"asshole\"

** Absolute crap.


The terms aren\'t well-defined.

Actually they are. Under English law, this publication is generally
cited in court as to precisely what and what is not defamatory (this
is a *very* old edition judging by how slim it is) -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334174838482?hash=item4dce5f5ed2:g:-cQAAOSwCLBhYMMZ

I find it impossible to believe that the US courts don\'t have their
own equivalent (although granted I believe in the US it\'s necessary to
prove malice in the statement made which is not the case in England).

There\'s links to the relevant US case history in the ACLU link I posted.
Anyway, the court system tends to deal with what was actually said, not
what anyone \"imputed.\" Who the fuck knows what an American is thinking
exactly when he says something? I sure don\'t but I\'m not a mind-reader.

Nevertheless, that is a core principle in jurisprudence and a decision
faced by judges and juries across the world every single day in both
civil and criminal lawsuits. This is most familiar to us all in press
reports of murder cases where the jury is tasked with determining if a
defendant had *intended* at the time of the killing to cause death or
serious injury to the victim.
Here\'s a bit of background just in case anyone GaS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_on_the_Clapham_omnibus#Other_related_common_law_jurisdictions

--

\"In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement
against the existing social and political order of things. In all of these
movements, they bring to the front, as a leading question, the issue of
private property ownership.\"

- Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:39:02 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

With respect to claims that can be shown to be true, or false. There\'s
no way to show whether the claim \"he is a white supremacist\" is true or
false. What makes you think a court would just assume he isn\'t one? They
won\'t assume that. A shithead white supremacist might assume a court
would just take him at his word that he\'s actually an upstanding
citizen, it won\'t.

That\'s not how it works! When a case comes to trial, it is the job of
the jury to apply the \'reasonable man test\' to the mind of the
defendant; that is all that is required. Naturally if you\'re going to
rely on asking him/her then they\'re going to claim they never intended
the outcome. So they\'re never asked. The jury has to get inside the
mind of the individual and decide based on the available a priori
evidence.
--

\"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous
proposal of the Communists.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 17:39:02 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

With respect to claims that can be shown to be true, or false. There\'s
no way to show whether the claim \"he is a white supremacist\" is true or
false. What makes you think a court would just assume he isn\'t one? They
won\'t assume that. A shithead white supremacist might assume a court
would just take him at his word that he\'s actually an upstanding
citizen, it won\'t.

That\'s not how it works! When a case comes to trial, it is the job of
the jury to apply the \'reasonable man test\' to the mind of the
defendant; that is all that is required. Naturally if you\'re going to
rely on asking him/her then they\'re going to claim they never intended
the outcome. So they\'re never asked. The jury has to get inside the
mind of the individual and decide based on the available a priori
evidence.
--

\"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous
proposal of the Communists.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 18:44:12 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:08:59 AM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
bitrex = RAVING LUNATIC wrote:
===========================

An organization that called him a \"murderer\" instead of \"alleged
murderer\" he might have a case against, but the terms \"domestic
terrorist\" and \"white supremacist\" aren\'t well-defined.

** Don\'t matter.

The terms aren\'t well-defined.

Anyway, the court system tends to deal with what was actually said, not
what anyone \"imputed.\"

** What a fucking, pig ignorant idea.

In any defamation case the WHOLE issue revolves around \" defamatory imputations\".
What the words implied about the defamed party in the minds of others.

Look it up - fuckhead.

With respect to claims that can be shown to be true, or false.

** That is a problem for the defamer - to prove their claim is true.
Truth is a defense in defamation law.

Not necessarily, \"The greater the truth, the greater the libel\". It you are revealing stuff that doesn\'t need to be public knowledge, something that is true brings the defamed person into greater ridicule and contempt than any false claim could.

Nope. That\'s only in cases of *criminal* libel, Bill. Wrong again! Why
don\'t you stick to opining on the very narrow range of matters you
actually know something about?

snipped the rest of Phil being pig-ignorant
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 18:44:12 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:08:59 AM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
bitrex = RAVING LUNATIC wrote:
===========================

An organization that called him a \"murderer\" instead of \"alleged
murderer\" he might have a case against, but the terms \"domestic
terrorist\" and \"white supremacist\" aren\'t well-defined.

** Don\'t matter.

The terms aren\'t well-defined.

Anyway, the court system tends to deal with what was actually said, not
what anyone \"imputed.\"

** What a fucking, pig ignorant idea.

In any defamation case the WHOLE issue revolves around \" defamatory imputations\".
What the words implied about the defamed party in the minds of others.

Look it up - fuckhead.

With respect to claims that can be shown to be true, or false.

** That is a problem for the defamer - to prove their claim is true.
Truth is a defense in defamation law.

Not necessarily, \"The greater the truth, the greater the libel\". It you are revealing stuff that doesn\'t need to be public knowledge, something that is true brings the defamed person into greater ridicule and contempt than any false claim could.

Nope. That\'s only in cases of *criminal* libel, Bill. Wrong again! Why
don\'t you stick to opining on the very narrow range of matters you
actually know something about?

snipped the rest of Phil being pig-ignorant
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 18:44:12 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:08:59 AM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
bitrex = RAVING LUNATIC wrote:
===========================

An organization that called him a \"murderer\" instead of \"alleged
murderer\" he might have a case against, but the terms \"domestic
terrorist\" and \"white supremacist\" aren\'t well-defined.

** Don\'t matter.

The terms aren\'t well-defined.

Anyway, the court system tends to deal with what was actually said, not
what anyone \"imputed.\"

** What a fucking, pig ignorant idea.

In any defamation case the WHOLE issue revolves around \" defamatory imputations\".
What the words implied about the defamed party in the minds of others.

Look it up - fuckhead.

With respect to claims that can be shown to be true, or false.

** That is a problem for the defamer - to prove their claim is true.
Truth is a defense in defamation law.

Not necessarily, \"The greater the truth, the greater the libel\". It you are revealing stuff that doesn\'t need to be public knowledge, something that is true brings the defamed person into greater ridicule and contempt than any false claim could.

Nope. That\'s only in cases of *criminal* libel, Bill. Wrong again! Why
don\'t you stick to opining on the very narrow range of matters you
actually know something about?

snipped the rest of Phil being pig-ignorant
 
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 18:02:08 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 11/20/2021 4:33 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 15:07:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

14 hours a day of opinion pieces is a lot cheaper than maintaining
foreign news bureaus, too.

The BBC manages to somehow do both! It\'s amazing what you can do with
limitless cash extorted from the public under the threat of
imprisonment, it seems.



The real crime with American media is they almost universally expect you
to pay to watch/read it, instead of the reverse.

I wanted to watch the Red Sox lose to the Astros and it\'s never been
harder to just watch a game than it is now, it\'s all paywalled to hell
and gone with a few captive providers and who would ever pay them for a
subscription.

Fox was carrying it online and they give you a free 1 hour trial so I
watched it for an hour and then just repasted the link to the free trial
in a Chrome incognito window thinking \"no way this is gonna work\" and it
worked fine, what a bunch of dumb-dumbs.

You could probably just write a script to automate that and get infinite
sports TV until they figure it out.

Or you turn into a vegatable. Whichever comes first. :)
--

\"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous
proposal of the Communists.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels
 
On 21/11/2021 09:49, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 08:51:28 +0000, \"Jim GM4DHJ ...\"
kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:

On 21/11/2021 08:29, nightjar wrote:

With nearly 50,000 juveniles incarcerated in the USA, more than half of
them white, quite a lot it seems.

oh right

Young white males are clearly being disproportionately targeted by the
police, then. Glad we got that settled.
--

\"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are
common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it
abolishes all religion,and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new
basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all historical experience.\"

- The Communist Manifesto, Marx & Engels.
me too
 
On 02:20 21 Nov 2021, bitrex said:

On 11/20/2021 8:20 PM, Pamela wrote:
On 23:48 20 Nov 2021, bitrex said:
On 11/20/2021 6:41 PM, Pamela wrote:
On 23:02 20 Nov 2021, bitrex said:
On 11/20/2021 4:33 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 15:07:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

14 hours a day of opinion pieces is a lot cheaper than
maintaining foreign news bureaus, too.

The BBC manages to somehow do both! It\'s amazing what you can
do with limitless cash extorted from the public under the
threat of imprisonment, it seems.


The real crime with American media is they almost universally
expect you to pay to watch/read it, instead of the reverse.

I wanted to watch the Red Sox lose to the Astros and it\'s never
been harder to just watch a game than it is now, it\'s all
paywalled to hell and gone with a few captive providers and who
would ever pay them for a subscription.

Fox was carrying it online and they give you a free 1 hour trial
so I watched it for an hour and then just repasted the link to
the free trial in a Chrome incognito window thinking \"no way
this is gonna work\" and it worked fine, what a bunch of
dumb-dumbs.

You could probably just write a script to automate that and get
infinite sports TV until they figure it out.

I haven\'t used them for a while but you might still be able to
stream Fox TV with these links. Also other U.S. channels too.

http://watchnewslive.tv.fox

http://livenewsnow.com/featured/fox-news.html

Looks like those are for Fox News (ick), but in the US they have a
number of other channels that carry live sports etc. that you can
only watch online if you have like a cable TV provider login, or
subscribe to one of those online service like Hulu, Fubo, Sling,
YouTubeTV, and probably pay some additional monthly fee, I haven\'t
checked.

The sites offer other live U.S. channels too. I used Fox in the
links because that what you mentioned.

Oh I see, I\'ll check that out. Is the first link correct? it doesn\'t
seem to go anywhere here \"DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN\"

One of my links was miskeyed. If you\'re getting a DNS fail on both
then these direct IP addresses might work.

https://watchnewslive.tv
http://94.242.54.192

https://www.livenewsnow.com/
http://142.44.129.23

Maybe your DNS is filtering sites and another provider may resolve the
domain names correctly.
 
On 02:20 21 Nov 2021, bitrex said:

On 11/20/2021 8:20 PM, Pamela wrote:
On 23:48 20 Nov 2021, bitrex said:
On 11/20/2021 6:41 PM, Pamela wrote:
On 23:02 20 Nov 2021, bitrex said:
On 11/20/2021 4:33 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 15:07:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

14 hours a day of opinion pieces is a lot cheaper than
maintaining foreign news bureaus, too.

The BBC manages to somehow do both! It\'s amazing what you can
do with limitless cash extorted from the public under the
threat of imprisonment, it seems.


The real crime with American media is they almost universally
expect you to pay to watch/read it, instead of the reverse.

I wanted to watch the Red Sox lose to the Astros and it\'s never
been harder to just watch a game than it is now, it\'s all
paywalled to hell and gone with a few captive providers and who
would ever pay them for a subscription.

Fox was carrying it online and they give you a free 1 hour trial
so I watched it for an hour and then just repasted the link to
the free trial in a Chrome incognito window thinking \"no way
this is gonna work\" and it worked fine, what a bunch of
dumb-dumbs.

You could probably just write a script to automate that and get
infinite sports TV until they figure it out.

I haven\'t used them for a while but you might still be able to
stream Fox TV with these links. Also other U.S. channels too.

http://watchnewslive.tv.fox

http://livenewsnow.com/featured/fox-news.html

Looks like those are for Fox News (ick), but in the US they have a
number of other channels that carry live sports etc. that you can
only watch online if you have like a cable TV provider login, or
subscribe to one of those online service like Hulu, Fubo, Sling,
YouTubeTV, and probably pay some additional monthly fee, I haven\'t
checked.

The sites offer other live U.S. channels too. I used Fox in the
links because that what you mentioned.

Oh I see, I\'ll check that out. Is the first link correct? it doesn\'t
seem to go anywhere here \"DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN\"

One of my links was miskeyed. If you\'re getting a DNS fail on both
then these direct IP addresses might work.

https://watchnewslive.tv
http://94.242.54.192

https://www.livenewsnow.com/
http://142.44.129.23

Maybe your DNS is filtering sites and another provider may resolve the
domain names correctly.
 
On 02:20 21 Nov 2021, bitrex said:

On 11/20/2021 8:20 PM, Pamela wrote:
On 23:48 20 Nov 2021, bitrex said:
On 11/20/2021 6:41 PM, Pamela wrote:
On 23:02 20 Nov 2021, bitrex said:
On 11/20/2021 4:33 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 15:07:31 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:

14 hours a day of opinion pieces is a lot cheaper than
maintaining foreign news bureaus, too.

The BBC manages to somehow do both! It\'s amazing what you can
do with limitless cash extorted from the public under the
threat of imprisonment, it seems.


The real crime with American media is they almost universally
expect you to pay to watch/read it, instead of the reverse.

I wanted to watch the Red Sox lose to the Astros and it\'s never
been harder to just watch a game than it is now, it\'s all
paywalled to hell and gone with a few captive providers and who
would ever pay them for a subscription.

Fox was carrying it online and they give you a free 1 hour trial
so I watched it for an hour and then just repasted the link to
the free trial in a Chrome incognito window thinking \"no way
this is gonna work\" and it worked fine, what a bunch of
dumb-dumbs.

You could probably just write a script to automate that and get
infinite sports TV until they figure it out.

I haven\'t used them for a while but you might still be able to
stream Fox TV with these links. Also other U.S. channels too.

http://watchnewslive.tv.fox

http://livenewsnow.com/featured/fox-news.html

Looks like those are for Fox News (ick), but in the US they have a
number of other channels that carry live sports etc. that you can
only watch online if you have like a cable TV provider login, or
subscribe to one of those online service like Hulu, Fubo, Sling,
YouTubeTV, and probably pay some additional monthly fee, I haven\'t
checked.

The sites offer other live U.S. channels too. I used Fox in the
links because that what you mentioned.

Oh I see, I\'ll check that out. Is the first link correct? it doesn\'t
seem to go anywhere here \"DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN\"

One of my links was miskeyed. If you\'re getting a DNS fail on both
then these direct IP addresses might work.

https://watchnewslive.tv
http://94.242.54.192

https://www.livenewsnow.com/
http://142.44.129.23

Maybe your DNS is filtering sites and another provider may resolve the
domain names correctly.
 
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 9:17:58 PM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 18:44:12 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 11:08:59 AM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
bitrex wrote:

<snip>

Truth is a defense in defamation law.

Not necessarily, \"The greater the truth, the greater the libel\". It you are revealing stuff that doesn\'t need to be public knowledge, something that is true brings the defamed person into greater ridicule and contempt than any false claim could.

Nope. That\'s only in cases of *criminal* libel, Bill.

In which jurisdiction? Phil and I are essentially talking about Australian law, and you haven\'t admitted to having been sued here.

> Wrong again! Why don\'t you stick to opining on the very narrow range of matters you actually know something about?

Cursitor Doom wants to pose as an expert on criminal libel? He spends a lot of time posing as an expert over a whole range of subjects, though cribbing his text from the likes of the Daily Mail and Russia Today doesn\'t earn him a lot of credibility.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 6:07:42 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
IEEE Bill the Rabid Nutter
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** That is a problem for the defamer - to prove their claim is true.
Truth is a defense in defamation law.

Not necessarily, \"The greater the truth, the greater the libel\".

** That is a truism - not a legal prohibition.

To the extent that it is true, it undercuts your claim.

** Drivel - truth is a complete defense.

The whole truth might be.

** Drivel.

( snip massive red herring)

Anything Phil can\'t follow he snips as a \"red herring\". It\'s a little transparent.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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