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Bill Sloman
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On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 8:21:41 AM UTC+11, Kevin Aylward wrote:
Physicists have it easy. The butterfly effect means that no weather simulation is an exact replication of actual weather, and the size of the models means that it makes sense to over-simplify them more than physicists need to, and work with a variety of different oversimplifications to get some idea of how the models fall short of reality.
You are comparing apples and oranges, and should have enough sense to know it.
So what. You aren't running climate simulation models, which have different problems.
That's why climate scientists run a lot more of them, some of them on much bigger computers.
What Kevin is saying here is that he knows essentially nothing about climate science, not even enough to realise that his ignorance means that his opinion is worthless.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 7:56:40 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 20:25:48 -0000, "Kevin Aylward"
kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:
"Bill Sloman" wrote in message
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Since climate change has played a part in making this year's forest
fires
particularly extensive...
Twaddle.
There is no credible way to correlate an alleged 0.9 deg C average planet
surface temperature increase with a forest catching fire.
There's no direct connection. What happened in Australia was that climate
change influenced the behavior of the Indian Ocean Dipole, which produced
a particularly long >drought, which made the forests more inflammable.
Yeah... read some of that. Its twaddle. Self-engendered "lets give answers
that will get as funding".
Typical its "Here we show that the frequency increases linearly as the
warming proceeds, and doubles at 1.5â°C warming from the pre-industrial
level (statistically significant above the 90% confidence level)..."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-03789-6#Abs1
Total twaddle, as impressive sounding as it is. For example, they note that
out of 13 models that they use, 11 predicted a increase.
If this was a Physicist claiming that he had 11 models for the existence of
the Higgs boson, but all with different actual results and 2 that
contradicted them he would be laughed out of the auditorium.
Physicists have it easy. The butterfly effect means that no weather simulation is an exact replication of actual weather, and the size of the models means that it makes sense to over-simplify them more than physicists need to, and work with a variety of different oversimplifications to get some idea of how the models fall short of reality.
You are comparing apples and oranges, and should have enough sense to know it.
I have run, literally, millions of spice simulations, with models verified
to extensive precision. They still have this inconvenient habit of failing
to predict oscillation in the real world.
So what. You aren't running climate simulation models, which have different problems.
Weather simulations are orders of magnitude more unreliable. They are
nonlinear, statistical partial differential equations. They have hundreds of
parameters, with no way of accurately measuring them.
That's why climate scientists run a lot more of them, some of them on much bigger computers.
Maybe a 1 deg raise does that or this, maybe it don't. Any scientist that
claims otherwise, knows, essentially, nothing about what science is or is
not.
What Kevin is saying here is that he knows essentially nothing about climate science, not even enough to realise that his ignorance means that his opinion is worthless.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney