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<http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf247No significant effect vs. control group:
On 4/2/2020 5:24 PM, Winfield Hill wrote:
bitrex wrote...
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf247
95de1c77c.pdf
 Too bad (expected), but there's no supply now anyway.
Unfortunately I smell a (bio)-engineering rathole on this one. "It looks
good in the sim"
Hydroxychloroquine has been touted for decades as a quack cure-all for
all sorts of even possibly fictitious diseases like "chronic" Lyme
disease, and Morgellons disease.
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
bitrex wrote...
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf247
95de1c77c.pdf
Too bad (expected), but there's no supply now anyway.
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
The Chinese are probably lying so they can get it all for themselves... even though they don't need it anymore.
On 4/2/2020 5:52 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
The Chinese are probably lying so they can get it all for themselves... even though they don't need it anymore.
the FDA has pretty much nothing to lose by just turning the meds loose.
The Trumpers are demanding it, it'll be months or years before anything
conclusive is known. Some Americans live, some Americans die (and
probably at a higher rate than most other places) and you can always
claim "great success!"
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
afterwards and that more would have if you hadn't and nobody can prove
you wrong, or at least not anytime soon or in a paper anyone will read.
Only people very annoyed will be lupus and arthritis patients who used
the drugs before and can't get 'em and the people who die of
side-effects and they don't have a lobbying firm with which to complain.
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/2/2020 5:52 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
The Chinese are probably lying so they can get it all for themselves... even though they don't need it anymore.
the FDA has pretty much nothing to lose by just turning the meds loose.
The Trumpers are demanding it, it'll be months or years before anything
conclusive is known. Some Americans live, some Americans die (and
probably at a higher rate than most other places) and you can always
claim "great success!"
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
afterwards and that more would have if you hadn't and nobody can prove
you wrong, or at least not anytime soon or in a paper anyone will read.
Only people very annoyed will be lupus and arthritis patients who used
the drugs before and can't get 'em and the people who die of
side-effects and they don't have a lobbying firm with which to complain.
If you stopped reading only liberal news sites, you would know that several large pharmaceutical companies are making large production runs of Hydroxychloroquine to ensure a steady supply. For instance, Novatris is supplying up to 130 million free doses. <https://www.novartis.com/news/media-releases/novartis-commits-donate-130-million-doses-hydroxychloroquine-support-global-covid-19-pandemic-response
On 4/2/2020 8:48 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 7:04:45 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/2/2020 5:52 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
The Chinese are probably lying so they can get it all for themselves.... even though they don't need it anymore.
the FDA has pretty much nothing to lose by just turning the meds loose.
The Trumpers are demanding it, it'll be months or years before anything
conclusive is known. Some Americans live, some Americans die (and
probably at a higher rate than most other places) and you can always
claim "great success!"
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
afterwards and that more would have if you hadn't and nobody can prove
you wrong, or at least not anytime soon or in a paper anyone will read.
Only people very annoyed will be lupus and arthritis patients who used
the drugs before and can't get 'em and the people who die of
side-effects and they don't have a lobbying firm with which to complain.
If you stopped reading only liberal news sites, you would know that several large pharmaceutical companies are making large production runs of Hydroxychloroquine to ensure a steady supply. For instance, Novatris is supplying up to 130 million free doses. <https://www.novartis.com/news/media-releases/novartis-commits-donate-130-million-doses-hydroxychloroquine-support-global-covid-19-pandemic-response
Yeah, they are ramping up ventilator production too. But when will there be results?
Why do people talk in terms of "up to"??? So one would be included in "up to 130 million".
I hope as much as anyone they got something in the catalog that's
effective and can be deployed soon, whether it's this or something else
I don't particularly care; I have an 82 y/o mother and a per-existing
condition myself and would not be optimistic about our own chances. If
Donald Trump himself discovers M&Ms cures it tomorrow I will sing his
praises (at least on that issue) to the heavens.
But I'm skeptical. Combos of antibiotics and HCQ have been touted as
miracle cures for lots of things over the years, mostly by quacks. "do
the research." The particular treatment in question has a dubious
provenance.
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/2/2020 5:52 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
The Chinese are probably lying so they can get it all for themselves.... even though they don't need it anymore.
the FDA has pretty much nothing to lose by just turning the meds loose.
The Trumpers are demanding it, it'll be months or years before anything
conclusive is known. Some Americans live, some Americans die (and
probably at a higher rate than most other places) and you can always
claim "great success!"
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
afterwards and that more would have if you hadn't and nobody can prove
you wrong, or at least not anytime soon or in a paper anyone will read.
Only people very annoyed will be lupus and arthritis patients who used
the drugs before and can't get 'em and the people who die of
side-effects and they don't have a lobbying firm with which to complain..
If you stopped reading only liberal news sites, you would know that several large pharmaceutical companies are making large production runs of Hydroxychloroquine to ensure a steady supply. For instance, Novatris is supplying up to 130 million free doses. <https://www.novartis.com/news/media-releases/novartis-commits-donate-130-million-doses-hydroxychloroquine-support-global-covid-19-pandemic-response
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 7:04:45 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/2/2020 5:52 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
The Chinese are probably lying so they can get it all for themselves... even though they don't need it anymore.
the FDA has pretty much nothing to lose by just turning the meds loose.
The Trumpers are demanding it, it'll be months or years before anything
conclusive is known. Some Americans live, some Americans die (and
probably at a higher rate than most other places) and you can always
claim "great success!"
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
afterwards and that more would have if you hadn't and nobody can prove
you wrong, or at least not anytime soon or in a paper anyone will read.
Only people very annoyed will be lupus and arthritis patients who used
the drugs before and can't get 'em and the people who die of
side-effects and they don't have a lobbying firm with which to complain.
If you stopped reading only liberal news sites, you would know that several large pharmaceutical companies are making large production runs of Hydroxychloroquine to ensure a steady supply. For instance, Novatris is supplying up to 130 million free doses. <https://www.novartis.com/news/media-releases/novartis-commits-donate-130-million-doses-hydroxychloroquine-support-global-covid-19-pandemic-response
Yeah, they are ramping up ventilator production too. But when will there be results?
Why do people talk in terms of "up to"??? So one would be included in "up to 130 million".
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 9:27:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/2/2020 8:48 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 7:04:45 PM UTC-4, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/2/2020 5:52 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
The Chinese are probably lying so they can get it all for themselves... even though they don't need it anymore.
the FDA has pretty much nothing to lose by just turning the meds loose.
The Trumpers are demanding it, it'll be months or years before anything
conclusive is known. Some Americans live, some Americans die (and
probably at a higher rate than most other places) and you can always
claim "great success!"
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
afterwards and that more would have if you hadn't and nobody can prove
you wrong, or at least not anytime soon or in a paper anyone will read.
Only people very annoyed will be lupus and arthritis patients who used
the drugs before and can't get 'em and the people who die of
side-effects and they don't have a lobbying firm with which to complain.
If you stopped reading only liberal news sites, you would know that several large pharmaceutical companies are making large production runs of Hydroxychloroquine to ensure a steady supply. For instance, Novatris is supplying up to 130 million free doses. <https://www.novartis.com/news/media-releases/novartis-commits-donate-130-million-doses-hydroxychloroquine-support-global-covid-19-pandemic-response
Yeah, they are ramping up ventilator production too. But when will there be results?
Why do people talk in terms of "up to"??? So one would be included in "up to 130 million".
I hope as much as anyone they got something in the catalog that's
effective and can be deployed soon, whether it's this or something else
I don't particularly care; I have an 82 y/o mother and a per-existing
condition myself and would not be optimistic about our own chances. If
Donald Trump himself discovers M&Ms cures it tomorrow I will sing his
praises (at least on that issue) to the heavens.
But I'm skeptical. Combos of antibiotics and HCQ have been touted as
miracle cures for lots of things over the years, mostly by quacks. "do
the research." The particular treatment in question has a dubious
provenance.
Trump has known all along what cures it, taco bowls! Isn't that what he ran his campaign on?
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 17:14:45 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
Not sure how well that study was done and remember that it is from
China so I'm not sure I would believe just one study from China
anyway.
hydroxychloroquine is an ionophore which just makes a way for zinc to
get into the cells and do its thing to stop the virus from
replicating.
Maybe the people in that study had too low of zinc levels ?
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 6:21:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/2/2020 5:52 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
The Chinese are probably lying so they can get it all for themselves.... even though they don't need it anymore.
the FDA has pretty much nothing to lose by just turning the meds loose.
The Trumpers are demanding it, it'll be months or years before anything
conclusive is known. Some Americans live, some Americans die (and
probably at a higher rate than most other places) and you can always
claim "great success!"
https://pics.me.me/thumb_very-nice-great-success-great-succes-borat-very-nice-50474139.png
afterwards and that more would have if you hadn't and nobody can prove
you wrong, or at least not anytime soon or in a paper anyone will read.
Only people very annoyed will be lupus and arthritis patients who used
the drugs before and can't get 'em and the people who die of
side-effects and they don't have a lobbying firm with which to complain..
If you stopped reading only liberal news sites, you would know that several large pharmaceutical companies are making large production runs of Hydroxychloroquine to ensure a steady supply. For instance, Novatris is supplying up to 130 million free doses. <https://www.novartis.com/news/media-releases/novartis-commits-donate-130-million-doses-hydroxychloroquine-support-global-covid-19-pandemic-response
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 03:32:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:
On 4/3/2020 1:17 AM, boB wrote:
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 17:14:45 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f86
25d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
Not sure how well that study was done and remember that it is
from China so I'm not sure I would believe just one study from
China anyway.
hydroxychloroquine is an ionophore which just makes a way for
zinc to get into the cells and do its thing to stop the virus
from replicating.
Maybe the people in that study had too low of zinc levels ?
Here is another interesting paper:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/us/fastest-supercomputer-coronaviru
s-scn-trnd/index.html
"The supercomputer ran simulations of over 8,000 compounds that
could bind to the spike protein of the virus, which could limit
its ability to spread to host cells. Summit identified 77 of them
and ranked them based on how likely they were to bind to the
spike."
https://chemrxiv.org/articles/Repurposing_Therapeutics_for_the_Wuh
an_Coronavirus_nCov-2019_Supercomputer-Based_Docking_to_the_Viral_S
_Protein_and_Human_ACE2_Interface/11871402/3
One of the top four is eriodictyol. Yerba santa extract, you can
get it in a nasal spray. I tried some of the spray, who knows
about c-19 but it does seem good for my springtime allergies,
seems to really clear up the sinuses.
Thanks for the links. All good stuff that they need to try !
It may very well be that the hydroxychloroquine will only work for
Sars-Covid-2 in vitro. We will see.
I have a feeling that something will work within a few months but
not a vaccine because of all the testing needed that makes it take
a long time. Anti-virals can work pretty well though for a lot of
people.
Good luck to us all !
Get yer Zinc up!
On 4/3/2020 1:17 AM, boB wrote:
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 17:14:45 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f8625d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
Not sure how well that study was done and remember that it is from
China so I'm not sure I would believe just one study from China
anyway.
hydroxychloroquine is an ionophore which just makes a way for zinc to
get into the cells and do its thing to stop the virus from
replicating.
Maybe the people in that study had too low of zinc levels ?
Here is another interesting paper:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/us/fastest-supercomputer-coronavirus-scn-trnd/index.html
"The supercomputer ran simulations of over 8,000 compounds that could
bind to the spike protein of the virus, which could limit its ability to
spread to host cells. Summit identified 77 of them and ranked them based
on how likely they were to bind to the spike."
https://chemrxiv.org/articles/Repurposing_Therapeutics_for_the_Wuhan_Coronavirus_nCov-2019_Supercomputer-Based_Docking_to_the_Viral_S_Protein_and_Human_ACE2_Interface/11871402/3
One of the top four is eriodictyol. Yerba santa extract, you can get it
in a nasal spray. I tried some of the spray, who knows about c-19 but it
does seem good for my springtime allergies, seems to really clear up the
sinuses.
boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote in
news:0m2g8f9bh0ngobn7s1g7ubm9dn5k9h70pg@4ax.com:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 03:32:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:
On 4/3/2020 1:17 AM, boB wrote:
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 17:14:45 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f86
25d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
Not sure how well that study was done and remember that it is
from China so I'm not sure I would believe just one study from
China anyway.
hydroxychloroquine is an ionophore which just makes a way for
zinc to get into the cells and do its thing to stop the virus
from replicating.
Maybe the people in that study had too low of zinc levels ?
Here is another interesting paper:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/us/fastest-supercomputer-coronaviru
s-scn-trnd/index.html
"The supercomputer ran simulations of over 8,000 compounds that
could bind to the spike protein of the virus, which could limit
its ability to spread to host cells. Summit identified 77 of them
and ranked them based on how likely they were to bind to the
spike."
https://chemrxiv.org/articles/Repurposing_Therapeutics_for_the_Wuh
an_Coronavirus_nCov-2019_Supercomputer-Based_Docking_to_the_Viral_S
_Protein_and_Human_ACE2_Interface/11871402/3
One of the top four is eriodictyol. Yerba santa extract, you can
get it in a nasal spray. I tried some of the spray, who knows
about c-19 but it does seem good for my springtime allergies,
seems to really clear up the sinuses.
Thanks for the links. All good stuff that they need to try !
It may very well be that the hydroxychloroquine will only work for
Sars-Covid-2 in vitro. We will see.
I have a feeling that something will work within a few months but
not a vaccine because of all the testing needed that makes it take
a long time. Anti-virals can work pretty well though for a lot of
people.
Good luck to us all !
Get yer Zinc up!
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 04:22:59 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote in
news:0m2g8f9bh0ngobn7s1g7ubm9dn5k9h70pg@4ax.com:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 03:32:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:
On 4/3/2020 1:17 AM, boB wrote:
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 17:14:45 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net
wrote:
No significant effect vs. control group:
http://subject.med.wanfangdata.com.cn/UpLoad/Files/202003/43f86
25d4dc74e42bbcf24795de1c77c.pdf
Not sure how well that study was done and remember that it is
from China so I'm not sure I would believe just one study from
China anyway.
hydroxychloroquine is an ionophore which just makes a way for
zinc to get into the cells and do its thing to stop the virus
from replicating.
Maybe the people in that study had too low of zinc levels ?
Here is another interesting paper:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/us/fastest-supercomputer-coronaviru
s-scn-trnd/index.html
"The supercomputer ran simulations of over 8,000 compounds that
could bind to the spike protein of the virus, which could limit
its ability to spread to host cells. Summit identified 77 of them
and ranked them based on how likely they were to bind to the
spike."
https://chemrxiv.org/articles/Repurposing_Therapeutics_for_the_Wuh
an_Coronavirus_nCov-2019_Supercomputer-Based_Docking_to_the_Viral_S
_Protein_and_Human_ACE2_Interface/11871402/3
One of the top four is eriodictyol. Yerba santa extract, you can
get it in a nasal spray. I tried some of the spray, who knows
about c-19 but it does seem good for my springtime allergies,
seems to really clear up the sinuses.
Thanks for the links. All good stuff that they need to try !
It may very well be that the hydroxychloroquine will only work for
Sars-Covid-2 in vitro. We will see.
I have a feeling that something will work within a few months but
not a vaccine because of all the testing needed that makes it take
a long time. Anti-virals can work pretty well though for a lot of
people.
Good luck to us all !
Get yer Zinc up!
So, Some good news
https://thetexan.news/front-line-er-physician-in-dallas-sees-coronavirus-treatment-success/
And also...
Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19:
results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996?via%3Dihub
Conclusion
Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine
treatment is significantly associated with viral load
reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is
reinforced by azithromycin.