OT: Leftism and the decline of the West...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 1:02:02 AM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 11/07/2023 15:19, bitrex wrote:
On 7/10/2023 11:49 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 11/07/2023 02:03, bitrex wrote:

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

Godwin\'s law ?

IIRC Godwin\'s law is invoked when something that is not strictly Nazism, is compared to Hitler/Nazism.

In Godwin\'s words: \"I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to
Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.\"

but \"a demonstration of the power of eugenic theory to explain the decline of the West\" is just Nazism. There\'s no analogy/comparison being made...

So \"Idiocracy\" is a film about Nazism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

Not exactly. It imagines a world where the the eugenic fears that were popular at the end of the nineteenth century - and influenced Adolf Hitler - were well founded, and people were going to be much dumber five hundred years in the future.

In reality, the Flynn Effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

says we are going the other way, but it\'s more likely due to different education than genetic drift. \"Teaching to the test\" works, but it isn\'t better education.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/07/2023 16:23, bitrex wrote:

On 7/11/2023 11:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/07/2023 15:19, bitrex wrote:
On 7/10/2023 11:49 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 11/07/2023 02:03, bitrex wrote:

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

Godwin\'s law ?


IIRC Godwin\'s law is invoked when something that is not strictly
Nazism, is compared to Hitler/Nazism.

In Godwin\'s words: \"I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else
to Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.\"

but \"a demonstration of the power of eugenic theory to explain the
decline of the West\" is just Nazism. There\'s no analogy/comparison
being made..


So \"Idiocracy\" is a film about Nazism?


IDK, never saw it. Is it a deeply researched, highly accurate portrayal
of reality, as most Hollywood films are?

No, it is a total hoot though. Sometimes Americans can do satire.

Try and blag a copy from somewhere and settle in with a can of lager and
popcorn.

--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

Things are swinging conservative law-and-order now. Politics tends to
be underdamped.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/11/2023 1:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

Things are swinging conservative law-and-order now. Politics tends to
be underdamped.

Why do people who view themselves as superior ask questions like \"are we
doomed?\"

Seems like the state of \"being doomed\" would tend to put a dent in the
whole concept of one\'s own superior nature, wouldn\'t it!!

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:06:08 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/11/2023 1:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

Things are swinging conservative law-and-order now. Politics tends to
be underdamped.



Why do people who view themselves as superior ask questions like \"are we
doomed?\"

Seems like the state of \"being doomed\" would tend to put a dent in the
whole concept of one\'s own superior nature, wouldn\'t it!!

Why do people ask questions that don\'t make sense?

 

[bitrex]

On 7/11/2023 3:27 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:06:08 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/11/2023 1:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

Things are swinging conservative law-and-order now. Politics tends to
be underdamped.



Why do people who view themselves as superior ask questions like \"are we
doomed?\"

Seems like the state of \"being doomed\" would tend to put a dent in the
whole concept of one\'s own superior nature, wouldn\'t it!!

Why do people ask questions that don\'t make sense?

They do if you click the link but you are probably too superior to click
other people\'s links.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:35:39 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/11/2023 3:27 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:06:08 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/11/2023 1:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

Things are swinging conservative law-and-order now. Politics tends to
be underdamped.



Why do people who view themselves as superior ask questions like \"are we
doomed?\"

Seems like the state of \"being doomed\" would tend to put a dent in the
whole concept of one\'s own superior nature, wouldn\'t it!!

Why do people ask questions that don\'t make sense?


They do if you click the link but you are probably too superior to click
other people\'s links.

The headline question of the link doesn\'t make sense either.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:48:48 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:35:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 7/11/2023 3:27 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:06:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 7/11/2023 1:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:

The headline question of the link doesn\'t make sense either.

Not a lot. Nothing lasts forever, so of course we are all eventually doomed..

The imagined mechanism is remarkably implausible, even for a Cursioter-Doom-selected right-wing lunatic

\"What we have witnessed since the advent of the Industrial Revolution is a dysgenic collapse, resulting in a steep decline in mental and physical health, as well as the decline of vital social institutions and social cohesion..\"

Life expectancies have been going up rapidly since the Industrial Revolution, which is hard to reconcile with a dysgenic collapse.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:08:51 PM UTC+10, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:48:48 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:35:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 7/11/2023 3:27 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:06:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 7/11/2023 1:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail..com> wrote:

The headline question of the link doesn\'t make sense either.

Not a lot. Nothing lasts forever, so of course we are all eventually doomed..

The imagined mechanism is remarkably implausible, even for a Cursitor-Doom-selected right-wing lunatic.

\"What we have witnessed since the advent of the Industrial Revolution is a dysgenic collapse, resulting in a steep decline in mental and physical health, as well as the decline of vital social institutions and social cohesion..\"

Life expectancies have been going up rapidly since the Industrial Revolution, which is hard to reconcile with a dysgenic collapse.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[R Souls]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton

Hardly surprising you\'re impressed by this utter lunatic.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 11:50:30 +0100, R Souls <ron.souls@aol.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton

Hardly surprising you\'re impressed by this utter lunatic.

Doomsday prophets done pretty well, as a profession, for thousands of
years.

It\'s a business with staying power.

Lunatics aren\'t born as much as we invent them. People do what works.
The Internet helps.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 11:17:31 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 11:50:30 +0100, R Souls <ron....@aol.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton

Hardly surprising you\'re impressed by this utter lunatic.
Doomsday prophets done pretty well, as a profession, for thousands of
years.

It\'s a business with staying power.

Lunatics aren\'t born as much as we invent them. People do what works.

Some people\'s brains don\'t work well. We don\'t invent that. Some people do what works. Other keep on burning fossil carbon.

> The Internet helps.

It can. Other people - Cursitor Doom does come to mind - use it to find the sort of nonsense this thread is trying to recommend to us.

Some of the information available comes with some kind of quality control. Most of it doesn\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 7/12/2023 1:08 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 5:48:48 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:35:39 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 7/11/2023 3:27 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:06:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 7/11/2023 1:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:

The headline question of the link doesn\'t make sense either.

Not a lot. Nothing lasts forever, so of course we are all eventually doomed.

The imagined mechanism is remarkably implausible, even for a Cursioter-Doom-selected right-wing lunatic

\"What we have witnessed since the advent of the Industrial Revolution is a dysgenic collapse, resulting in a steep decline in mental and physical health, as well as the decline of vital social institutions and social cohesion.\"

Life expectancies have been going up rapidly since the Industrial Revolution, which is hard to reconcile with a dysgenic collapse.

\"Scientific\" bigots with cerebral aspirations are really the most
tedious and horrible type.

At least the backwoods-bumpkin variety tends to be largely free of
guile, he just knows what the likes and what he don\'t. and he don\'t like
them foreign-types!!!

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:17:31 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 11:50:30 +0100, R Souls <ron....@aol.com> wrote:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton

Hardly surprising you\'re impressed by this utter lunatic.

Doomsday prophets done pretty well, as a profession, for thousands of
years.

Huh? Who has made a lifetime profession of this? The
Seventh Day Adventists\' history is rather an anomaly, not the norm
for millennia.

> It\'s a business with staying power.

Not so. It\'s not a viable business model, for one. The \'staying power\'
claim sounds more like truthiness than truth.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 11:50:30 +0100, R Souls <ron.souls@aol.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton

Hardly surprising you\'re impressed by this utter lunatic.

Hardly surprising an utter lunatic like yourself is an out-and-out
hard Leftie.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:03:03 +1000, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/10/2023 6:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....
\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"
Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/


\"But the heart of Breeding the Human Herd is a demonstration of the
power of eugenic theory to explain the decline of the West.\"

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

Adolf didnt invent eugenics.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 20:18:58 +1000, Fredxx <fredxx@spam.invalid> wrote:

On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.

Which is strongly associated with the right.

Without greed, capitalism and economies fail.

BULLSHIT

> Humans like to maximise return/income over effort expended.

Thats not greed.

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:16:25 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Bod addressing abnormal senile quarreller Rodent Speed:
\"Do you practice arguing with yourself in an empty room?\"
MID: <g4ihlaFh5p5U2@mid.individual.net>

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 7:33:27 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 11:50:30 +0100, R Souls <ron....@aol.com> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> >wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

<snip>

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton

Hardly surprising you\'re impressed by this utter lunatic.

Hardly surprising an utter lunatic like yourself is an out-and-out hard Leftie.

Cursitor Doom seems to think that anybody who is remotely sane is \"an out-and-out hard Leftie.\"

That\'s about 95% of the population. Cursitor Doom isn\'t remotely sane so his opinion isn\'t of any significance.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[R Souls]

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 22:33:19 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 11:50:30 +0100, R Souls <ron.souls@aol.com> wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:23:01 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Edward_Dutton

Hardly surprising you\'re impressed by this utter lunatic.

Hardly surprising an utter lunatic like yourself is an out-and-out
hard Leftie.

You don\'t have to be a leftie to despise the principles of eugenics so
lauded by you hard right loonies.