OT: Leftism and the decline of the West...

[Cursitor Doom]

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/2023 6:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

\"But the heart of Breeding the Human Herd is a demonstration of the
power of eugenic theory to explain the decline of the West.\"

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

 

[alan_m]

On 11/07/2023 02:03, bitrex wrote:

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

Godwin\'s law ?

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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 8:23:10 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

Trust Cursitor Doom to latch onto a book by a theologian that purports to explain the human eugenics program starting with the premise \"that the West is headed for dysgenic collapse\".

Cursitor Doom\'s very existence might be seen as supporting evidence, but half the population has always had below average intelligence. Fewer of them are addicted to bizarre conspiracy theories, climate change denial and eugenic catastrophism, but evolution

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 8:23:10 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

Trust Cursitor Doom to pick up a book by an unemployable theologian who wants to argue that \"the West is headed for dysgenic collapse\".

Theologians aren\'t great at getting at or understand biological data. The fact that there\'s no evidence that such a collapse is in progress isn\'t going to worry him or Cursitor Doom.

It just one more fatuous heterodox idea of the kind the Cursitor Doom finds fascinating - like climate change denial or the secret globalist cartel.

The ideas have to be utterly absurd to get his attention, and truly risilbe to move him to advertise them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Brian Gaff]

Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the problem is
is greed and insecurity.
Brian

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Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

 

[Fredxx]

On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:

Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the problem is
is greed and insecurity.
Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed, capitalism
and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income over effort
expended.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:

On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.
  Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed, capitalism
and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income over effort
expended.


It is only strongly associated with the Right, by the Left.

The Left is thoroughly insecure and greedy.
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.\"

- Bertrand Russell

 

[Fredxx]

On 11/07/2023 13:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.
  Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed, capitalism
and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income over effort
expended.


It is only strongly associated with the Right, by the Left.

The Left is thoroughly insecure and greedy.

I think that is a human trait. Only extremists would exonerate their own
from being insecure and greedy.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 10:52:53 PM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is is greed and insecurity.

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed, capitalism and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income over effort expended.

It is only strongly associated with the right, by the left.

Since nobody is allowed to be anything but right or left in this kind of discussion, and the Natural Philospher is far-right, all he is doing is trashing the left, as he always does.

> The left is thoroughly insecure and greedy.

Ask any far-right nitwit.

The distinguishing of the left is that they are willing to contemplate changing society, while the right is too insecure to feel happy about changing anything.

The left is frequently willing to contemplate raising taxes (which they pay, just like everybody else) to provide more support for people who need help. That isn\'t greedy.
The right tend to think they are perfect just the way they are, and don\'t feel any need for help - though quite a few of them could do with a better education.

The Natural Philosopher decorates his posts with guotes from famous thinkers, in the hope that we will think that he has been educated. His choice of stuff to quote makes it clear that he hasn\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/2023 11:49 PM, alan_m wrote:

On 11/07/2023 02:03, bitrex wrote:

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

Godwin\'s law ?

IIRC Godwin\'s law is invoked when something that is not strictly Nazism,
is compared to Hitler/Nazism.

In Godwin\'s words: \"I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to
Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.\"

but \"a demonstration of the power of eugenic theory to explain the
decline of the West\" is just Nazism. There\'s no analogy/comparison being
made..

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

tirsdag den 11. juli 2023 kl. 03.03.10 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:

On 7/10/2023 6:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Very interesting article on how Left-wing thinking is so injurious to
a healthy society and is weakening us year by year....

\"Leftists claim that they are concerned about equality and about
injustice done to others. Conservatives suspect that they are
insincere, and psychological testing largely bears this out. Leftists
do identify with groups or individuals whom they see as low in power,
but this is because they perceive themselves as weak and thus also low
in power. They place so much emphasis on equality because they feel
they deserve more power than they have. Leftists are also concerned
with harm avoidance, insofar as they feel that others have power over
them, which makes them feel oppressed. Since they perceive themselves
as physically weak, leftists feel they have no choice but to try to
acquire power by any means.\"

Read the full article here: https://www.unz.com/article/are-we-doomed/

\"But the heart of Breeding the Human Herd is a demonstration of the
power of eugenic theory to explain the decline of the West.\"

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

The state of Bavaria had the copyrights to Mein Kampf

 

[bitrex]

On 7/11/2023 8:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.
  Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed, capitalism
and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income over effort
expended.


It is only strongly associated with the Right, by the Left.

The Left is thoroughly insecure and greedy.

The eugenicist author in the opening spiel writes: \"leftists feel they
have no choice but to try to acquire power by any means.\"

Eugenicists who complain that someone else are the power-mad ones are a
hoot. \"I\'m not power-mad! I just want to try to apply selective breeding
practices to bioengineer the human race!\"

 

[bitrex]

On 7/11/2023 9:11 AM, Fredxx wrote:

On 11/07/2023 13:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.
  Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed,
capitalism and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income
over effort expended.


It is only strongly associated with the Right, by the Left.

The Left is thoroughly insecure and greedy.

I think that is a human trait. Only extremists would exonerate their own
from being insecure and greedy.

Once you selectively breed out all the insecure, greedy leftists you\'re
left with the problem of what to do with the all the people who remain
who are kinda-leftist, kinda-insecure, and kinda-greedy.

And then once you selectively breed all those out you\'re left with the
problem of what to do with the worst ones of those!

So long as there\'s two people left on the planet, someone\'s probably
going to want someone dead.

 

[Ottavio Caruso]

Am 11/07/2023 um 14:38 schrieb bitrex:

On 7/11/2023 8:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.
  Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed,
capitalism and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income
over effort expended.


It is only strongly associated with the Right, by the Left.

The Left is thoroughly insecure and greedy.

The eugenicist author in the opening spiel writes: \"leftists feel they
have no choice but to try to acquire power by any means.\"

Eugenicists who complain that someone else are the power-mad ones are a
hoot. \"I\'m not power-mad! I just want to try to apply selective breeding
practices to bioengineer the human race!\"

Eugenics was invented by a very Brit: Francis Galton.

Blaming the Nazis is just British Empire propaganda.

The Nazis just did whatever the British Empire had done, but with less
class because the Germans are rough at everything.

--
Ottavio Caruso

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/07/2023 15:19, bitrex wrote:

On 7/10/2023 11:49 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 11/07/2023 02:03, bitrex wrote:

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

Godwin\'s law ?


IIRC Godwin\'s law is invoked when something that is not strictly Nazism,
is compared to Hitler/Nazism.

In Godwin\'s words: \"I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to
Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.\"

but \"a demonstration of the power of eugenic theory to explain the
decline of the West\" is just Nazism. There\'s no analogy/comparison being
made..


So \"Idiocracy\" is a film about Nazism?

--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance\"

- John K Galbraith

 

[bitrex]

On 7/11/2023 10:58 AM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:

Am 11/07/2023 um 14:38 schrieb bitrex:
On 7/11/2023 8:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.
  Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed,
capitalism and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income
over effort expended.


It is only strongly associated with the Right, by the Left.

The Left is thoroughly insecure and greedy.

The eugenicist author in the opening spiel writes: \"leftists feel they
have no choice but to try to acquire power by any means.\"

Eugenicists who complain that someone else are the power-mad ones are
a hoot. \"I\'m not power-mad! I just want to try to apply selective
breeding practices to bioengineer the human race!\"

Eugenics was invented by a very Brit: Francis Galton.

Blaming the Nazis is just British Empire propaganda.

The Nazis just did whatever the British Empire had done, but with less
class because the Germans are rough at everything.

German eugenics was pretty calculated and \"scientific\" by comparison
with Jim Crow in the US, which the Nazis admired but whose operating
principles tended to amount to \"Hang a black from a tree if he offends
you\" - there was hardly an attempt made to measure the morphology of the
condemned\'s skull before the execution, or keep any detailed records of
exactly how many were killed.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/11/2023 11:09 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 7/11/2023 10:58 AM, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
Am 11/07/2023 um 14:38 schrieb bitrex:
On 7/11/2023 8:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.
  Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed,
capitalism and economies fail. Humans like to maximise
return/income over effort expended.


It is only strongly associated with the Right, by the Left.

The Left is thoroughly insecure and greedy.

The eugenicist author in the opening spiel writes: \"leftists feel
they have no choice but to try to acquire power by any means.\"

Eugenicists who complain that someone else are the power-mad ones are
a hoot. \"I\'m not power-mad! I just want to try to apply selective
breeding practices to bioengineer the human race!\"

Eugenics was invented by a very Brit: Francis Galton.

Blaming the Nazis is just British Empire propaganda.

The Nazis just did whatever the British Empire had done, but with less
class because the Germans are rough at everything.


German eugenics was pretty calculated and \"scientific\" by comparison
with Jim Crow in the US, which the Nazis admired but whose operating
principles tended to amount to \"Hang a black from a tree if he offends
you\" - there was hardly an attempt made to measure the morphology of the
condemned\'s skull before the execution, or keep any detailed records of
exactly how many were killed.

America is still the world leader in feelings-based eugenics.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/11/2023 11:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 11/07/2023 15:19, bitrex wrote:
On 7/10/2023 11:49 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 11/07/2023 02:03, bitrex wrote:

Given that Mein Kampf is in the public domain now, I guess Hitler\'s
estate can\'t sue the guy for intellectual property infringement.

Godwin\'s law ?


IIRC Godwin\'s law is invoked when something that is not strictly
Nazism, is compared to Hitler/Nazism.

In Godwin\'s words: \"I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to
Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust.\"

but \"a demonstration of the power of eugenic theory to explain the
decline of the West\" is just Nazism. There\'s no analogy/comparison
being made..


So \"Idiocracy\" is a film about Nazism?

IDK, never saw it. Is it a deeply researched, highly accurate portrayal
of reality, as most Hollywood films are?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 12:38:58 AM UTC+10, bitrex wrote:

On 7/11/2023 8:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/07/2023 11:18, Fredxx wrote:
On 11/07/2023 10:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yawn. I do not condone labelling folk as left or right. What the
problem is
is greed and insecurity.
Brian

Which is strongly associated with the right. Without greed, capitalism
and economies fail. Humans like to maximise return/income over effort
expended.

<snipped the Natural Philosophers right-wing nitwit assertions>

The eugenicist author in the opening spiel writes: \"leftists feel they
have no choice but to try to acquire power by any means.\"
Eugenicists who complain that someone else are the power-mad ones are a
hoot. \"I\'m not power-mad! I just want to try to apply selective breeding
practices to bio-engineer the human race!\"

Except that he doesn\'t seem to be any kind of bio-engineer. His training is in theology.

The proposition that there\'s any correlation between a person\'s genome and their political affiliation is testable and has been looked at repeatedly.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038932/

\"Our findings are consistent with genome-wide explorations on almost any complex trait; a single gene or small group of genes does not directly influence ideological preferences. Rather, thousands of genetic variants of very small effects and constellations of genes interact with each other and the environment to influence behavior, indirectly.\"

Not the kind of heritable trait that you can breed for, and not one that is subject to obvious selective pressure. Cursitor Doom has found yet another steaming heap of fatuous nonsense.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney