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[bitrex]

On 5/29/2023 9:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:22:16 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

This article discusses people who idle along at work. It sounds like some have the much rumored government employees beat.
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do

With physical deliverables, designs or assembled boards or faucets
that work or waffles on tables, performance is pretty obvious. A lot
of business stuff is fuzzy and productivity simply can\'t be measured.

I know several too-highly-paid people who work from home and, I\'m
convinced, are perfectly useless. They have long Zoom calls to share
the uselessness.

Big software companies are laying off people in increments of 10K, and
I suspect customers won\'t notice any difference.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-laid-off-twitter-workers-value-tech-jobs-work-2023-5

Why would a web app like Twitter need tens of thousands of employees?

\"Customer service\" is mostly robots now.

I\'ve dealt with a number of realtors lately, who are the apotheosis of a
middle man.

They have a list of properties, and tell you \"Here are some properties.\"
and if you pick a property to lease or buy they take their fee. No
salesmanship is required as in areas like this (or San Francisco for
that matter) the properties basically move themselves, if you don\'t take
it someone else will.

A piece of paper with a list on it could accomplish the same function
adequately compared to most of \'em

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:46:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:22:16 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

This article discusses people who idle along at work. It sounds like some have the much rumored government employees beat.
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do

With physical deliverables, designs or assembled boards or faucets
that work or waffles on tables, performance is pretty obvious. A lot
of business stuff is fuzzy and productivity simply can\'t be measured.

I know several too-highly-paid people who work from home and, I\'m
convinced, are perfectly useless. They have long Zoom calls to share
the uselessness.

Big software companies are laying off people in increments of 10K, and
I suspect customers won\'t notice any difference.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-laid-off-twitter-workers-value-tech-jobs-work-2023-5

Why would a web app like Twitter need tens of thousands of employees?

\"Customer service\" is mostly robots now.


I\'ve dealt with a number of realtors lately, who are the apotheosis of a
middle man.

They have a list of properties, and tell you \"Here are some properties.\"
and if you pick a property to lease or buy they take their fee. No
salesmanship is required as in areas like this (or San Francisco for
that matter) the properties basically move themselves, if you don\'t take
it someone else will.

A piece of paper with a list on it could accomplish the same function
adequately compared to most of \'em

Nowadays SF is littered with vacant commercial properties, both
downtown and in the neighborhoods. The \"move themselves\" mode is gone
and may never return.

There is a vacant building next to us and we inquired about maybe
buying it. The sellers are a divorcing couple and there are no other
buyers on the horizon for over six months now. The realtor is not only
exercizing a lot of salesmanship but has become a marriage councelor
in the process. He is trying to get the price *down* to get a sale.

Realtors are cold-calling too, trying to find buyers.

Covid and the resulting work-from-home have changed things, maybe
forever. Business schools will have to have departments and courses on
how to manage this.

Hey, we could sell an AI app to people so they can run it to pretend
to be working.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:46:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:22:16 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

This article discusses people who idle along at work. It sounds like
some have the much rumored government employees beat.
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do

With physical deliverables, designs or assembled boards or faucets
that work or waffles on tables, performance is pretty obvious. A lot
of business stuff is fuzzy and productivity simply can\'t be measured.

I know several too-highly-paid people who work from home and, I\'m
convinced, are perfectly useless. They have long Zoom calls to share
the uselessness.

Big software companies are laying off people in increments of 10K, and
I suspect customers won\'t notice any difference.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-laid-off-twitter-workers-value-tech-jobs-work-2023-5

Why would a web app like Twitter need tens of thousands of employees?

\"Customer service\" is mostly robots now.


I\'ve dealt with a number of realtors lately, who are the apotheosis of a
middle man.

They have a list of properties, and tell you \"Here are some properties.\"
and if you pick a property to lease or buy they take their fee. No
salesmanship is required as in areas like this (or San Francisco for
that matter) the properties basically move themselves, if you don\'t take
it someone else will.

A piece of paper with a list on it could accomplish the same function
adequately compared to most of \'em

Nowadays SF is littered with vacant commercial properties, both
downtown and in the neighborhoods. The \"move themselves\" mode is gone
and may never return.

There is a vacant building next to us and we inquired about maybe
buying it. The sellers are a divorcing couple and there are no other
buyers on the horizon for over six months now. The realtor is not only
exercizing a lot of salesmanship but has become a marriage councelor
in the process. He is trying to get the price *down* to get a sale.

Realtors are cold-calling too, trying to find buyers.

Covid and the resulting work-from-home have changed things, maybe
forever. Business schools will have to have departments and courses on
how to manage this.

Hey, we could sell an AI app to people so they can run it to pretend
to be working.

Mouse jigglers are super helpful.

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

 

[bitrex]

On 5/30/2023 12:32 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:46:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:22:16 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

This article discusses people who idle along at work. It sounds like some have the much rumored government employees beat.
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do

With physical deliverables, designs or assembled boards or faucets
that work or waffles on tables, performance is pretty obvious. A lot
of business stuff is fuzzy and productivity simply can\'t be measured.

I know several too-highly-paid people who work from home and, I\'m
convinced, are perfectly useless. They have long Zoom calls to share
the uselessness.

Big software companies are laying off people in increments of 10K, and
I suspect customers won\'t notice any difference.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-laid-off-twitter-workers-value-tech-jobs-work-2023-5

Why would a web app like Twitter need tens of thousands of employees?

\"Customer service\" is mostly robots now.


I\'ve dealt with a number of realtors lately, who are the apotheosis of a
middle man.

They have a list of properties, and tell you \"Here are some properties.\"
and if you pick a property to lease or buy they take their fee. No
salesmanship is required as in areas like this (or San Francisco for
that matter) the properties basically move themselves, if you don\'t take
it someone else will.

A piece of paper with a list on it could accomplish the same function
adequately compared to most of \'em

Nowadays SF is littered with vacant commercial properties, both
downtown and in the neighborhoods. The \"move themselves\" mode is gone
and may never return.

There is a vacant building next to us and we inquired about maybe
buying it. The sellers are a divorcing couple and there are no other
buyers on the horizon for over six months now. The realtor is not only
exercizing a lot of salesmanship but has become a marriage councelor
in the process. He is trying to get the price *down* to get a sale.

Realtors are cold-calling too, trying to find buyers.

Covid and the resulting work-from-home have changed things, maybe
forever. Business schools will have to have departments and courses on
how to manage this.

Yes, work-from-home and a general lack of supply has made the
residential realtor\'s job very easy around here. Not sure offhand how
many work both worlds.

Usually the residential realtor does have to use a key to let you in to
look around, so I guess that\'s something.

Hey, we could sell an AI app to people so they can run it to pretend
to be working.

Tesla markets an AI that pretends to drive and there\'s a lot of
interest, sounds like a growth industry.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/30/2023 1:11 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:46:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:22:16 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

This article discusses people who idle along at work. It sounds like
some have the much rumored government employees beat.
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do

With physical deliverables, designs or assembled boards or faucets
that work or waffles on tables, performance is pretty obvious. A lot
of business stuff is fuzzy and productivity simply can\'t be measured.

I know several too-highly-paid people who work from home and, I\'m
convinced, are perfectly useless. They have long Zoom calls to share
the uselessness.

Big software companies are laying off people in increments of 10K, and
I suspect customers won\'t notice any difference.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-laid-off-twitter-workers-value-tech-jobs-work-2023-5

Why would a web app like Twitter need tens of thousands of employees?

\"Customer service\" is mostly robots now.


I\'ve dealt with a number of realtors lately, who are the apotheosis of a
middle man.

They have a list of properties, and tell you \"Here are some properties.\"
and if you pick a property to lease or buy they take their fee. No
salesmanship is required as in areas like this (or San Francisco for
that matter) the properties basically move themselves, if you don\'t take
it someone else will.

A piece of paper with a list on it could accomplish the same function
adequately compared to most of \'em

Nowadays SF is littered with vacant commercial properties, both
downtown and in the neighborhoods. The \"move themselves\" mode is gone
and may never return.

There is a vacant building next to us and we inquired about maybe
buying it. The sellers are a divorcing couple and there are no other
buyers on the horizon for over six months now. The realtor is not only
exercizing a lot of salesmanship but has become a marriage councelor
in the process. He is trying to get the price *down* to get a sale.

Realtors are cold-calling too, trying to find buyers.

Covid and the resulting work-from-home have changed things, maybe
forever. Business schools will have to have departments and courses on
how to manage this.

Hey, we could sell an AI app to people so they can run it to pretend
to be working.



Mouse jigglers are super helpful.

An artificially intelligent door lock could replace most residential
realtors.

Or maybe just a timer.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/30/2023 1:55 PM, bitrex wrote:

Covid and the resulting work-from-home have changed things, maybe
forever. Business schools will have to have departments and courses on
how to manage this.

Yes, work-from-home and a general lack of supply has made the
residential realtor\'s job very easy around here. Not sure offhand how
many work both worlds.

Usually the residential realtor does have to use a key to let you in to
look around, so I guess that\'s something.

I can think of much more useless jobs, though. Like landlords.

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 7:37:11 AM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:56:15 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 7:16:20 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 2:53:15 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 14:00:53 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2023 2:22 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
This article discusses people who idle along at work. It sounds like some have the much rumored government employees beat.
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do


\"Maybe he could take more initiative and try to take on more, but he
gets good performance reviews and raises as it is, so he figures, why
bother?\"

Yes, America was in large part _designed_ for white \"educated\" people
from well-to-do families to fail upwards.
America was hardly designed. All sorts of adventurous and distressed
people immigrated here from all over the world.

Whole point of the exercise!
The highest earning demographic in the USA is now Asians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Someone needs to investigate how the Chickasaw, Apache, Sioux, and Navajo are making so much money!
They can put casino\'s on their native lands.
The time of that cash cow has passed since the white heathens have started permitting casinos on their lands...

All they have left is selling mineral, oil, and sometimes timber rights to their lands.


--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

That might be limited more if this is true.
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-issues-20-year-oil-drilling-ban-ignoring-pleas-native-americans>
The Navajo nation is supposedly against any sort of oil drilling restriction.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 30 May 2023 17:11:33 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:46:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2023 9:59 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:22:16 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

This article discusses people who idle along at work. It sounds like
some have the much rumored government employees beat.
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do

With physical deliverables, designs or assembled boards or faucets
that work or waffles on tables, performance is pretty obvious. A lot
of business stuff is fuzzy and productivity simply can\'t be measured.

I know several too-highly-paid people who work from home and, I\'m
convinced, are perfectly useless. They have long Zoom calls to share
the uselessness.

Big software companies are laying off people in increments of 10K, and
I suspect customers won\'t notice any difference.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-laid-off-twitter-workers-value-tech-jobs-work-2023-5

Why would a web app like Twitter need tens of thousands of employees?

\"Customer service\" is mostly robots now.


I\'ve dealt with a number of realtors lately, who are the apotheosis of a
middle man.

They have a list of properties, and tell you \"Here are some properties.\"
and if you pick a property to lease or buy they take their fee. No
salesmanship is required as in areas like this (or San Francisco for
that matter) the properties basically move themselves, if you don\'t take
it someone else will.

A piece of paper with a list on it could accomplish the same function
adequately compared to most of \'em

Nowadays SF is littered with vacant commercial properties, both
downtown and in the neighborhoods. The \"move themselves\" mode is gone
and may never return.

There is a vacant building next to us and we inquired about maybe
buying it. The sellers are a divorcing couple and there are no other
buyers on the horizon for over six months now. The realtor is not only
exercizing a lot of salesmanship but has become a marriage councelor
in the process. He is trying to get the price *down* to get a sale.

Realtors are cold-calling too, trying to find buyers.

Covid and the resulting work-from-home have changed things, maybe
forever. Business schools will have to have departments and courses on
how to manage this.

Hey, we could sell an AI app to people so they can run it to pretend
to be working.



Mouse jigglers are super helpful.

Reminds me of the Russian saying: We pretend to work and they pretend
to pay us.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 02:21:56 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
<deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 7:37:11?AM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 12:56:15?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 7:16:20?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 2:53:15?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 14:00:53 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/29/2023 2:22 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
This article discusses people who idle along at work. It sounds like some have the much rumored government employees beat.
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do


\"Maybe he could take more initiative and try to take on more, but he
gets good performance reviews and raises as it is, so he figures, why
bother?\"

Yes, America was in large part _designed_ for white \"educated\" people
from well-to-do families to fail upwards.
America was hardly designed. All sorts of adventurous and distressed
people immigrated here from all over the world.

Whole point of the exercise!
The highest earning demographic in the USA is now Asians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Someone needs to investigate how the Chickasaw, Apache, Sioux, and Navajo are making so much money!
They can put casino\'s on their native lands.
The time of that cash cow has passed since the white heathens have started permitting casinos on their lands...

All they have left is selling mineral, oil, and sometimes timber rights to their lands.


--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

That might be limited more if this is true.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-issues-20-year-oil-drilling-ban-ignoring-pleas-native-americans
The Navajo nation is supposedly against any sort of oil drilling restriction.

What Native Americans consider sacred is mostly money.