OT It's all a Bloody con.........

[Anonymous]

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry it's OT


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

 

[Mr.T]

"Anonymous" <cripto@ecn.org> wrote in message
news:20090108045502.3E3221A781A@isole...

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

Which is good in winter, not so good in summer if you don't have daylight
savings.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

Partly offset by the extra purchase cost, and the need to leave them on
more.
Frankly they both suck, standard FL Tubes and LED lamps are better.

MrT.

 

[Luke O'Zade]

"Anonymous" <cripto@ecn.org> wrote in message
news:20090108045502.3E3221A781A@isole...

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry it's
OT



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

You seem to have all the answers
How do you get rid of the stuffed lamps?
The light out put is awful for house interiers.
Is the magnesium oxide a danger when they break?
They don't fit many existing fittings.
And I beg to differ conventional lamps (not bulbs) do produce efficiecient
light. Albeit you pay for what you get.
Next thing they'll be banning Vegamite ..................

 

[Sunny]

"Anonymous" <cripto@ecn.org> wrote in message
news:20090108045502.3E3221A781A@isole...

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry
it's OT



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

Put two of the bloody things in the garage.
completely useless, unless you wait 20 seconds for them to fully glow.

 

[^Tems^]

Sunny wrote:

"Anonymous"<cripto@ecn.org> wrote in message
news:20090108045502.3E3221A781A@isole...
"Luke O'Zade"<No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry
it's OT



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

Put two of the bloody things in the garage.
completely useless, unless you wait 20 seconds for them to fully glow.

If you were Springy you could root your mrs 4 or 5 times while waiting

 

[TG'sFM]

On Jan 8, 3:55 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in messagenews:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry it's OT

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-b...

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

They might technically save money on electricity, but the unaffordable
upfront cost and the fact that people will leave them on 24/7 because
they take too long to warm up will negate any positives. I'm going
back to candles and kerosene lamps.

 

[MisterE]

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

Not only that but if your power is from coal the conventional light bulb
will probably end up putting out more mercury from the coal ash, its
debatable how much of it 'gets out there' in eco systems etc.

What I HATE about this whole CFL thing is that people think they are
actually making a difference. Last time i checked australia would save
something like 800,000 tonnes per year by changing over. Our monthly
INCREASE in coal burning is far beyond this. ie. we delayed global warming
by about a week. Yets it's advertised that you should 'go green' by changing
your lightbuls etc. yeah right... thanks for your insignificant contribution
everyone.

 

[HeadRush]

"MisterE" <mistere@nigma.net> wrote in message
news:4965a057$0$23396$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

Not only that but if your power is from coal the conventional light bulb
will probably end up putting out more mercury from the coal ash, its
debatable how much of it 'gets out there' in eco systems etc.

What I HATE about this whole CFL thing is that people think they are
actually making a difference. Last time i checked australia would save
something like 800,000 tonnes per year by changing over. Our monthly
INCREASE in coal burning is far beyond this. ie. we delayed global warming
by about a week. Yets it's advertised that you should 'go green' by
changing your lightbuls etc. yeah right... thanks for your insignificant
contribution everyone.

It's an Illuminati thing...

HR

 

[Noodle]

By banning these old light globes, you can guarantee there will be a
"black market" for them.

Instead of costing 60 UK Pence, they will not cost 5 UK POUNDS.

A good way to make money.

 

[HeadRush]

"Noodle" <noodle@spam.la> wrote in message
news:8f230023-f52f-4b65-810a-c6799d7a8e32@g3g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

By banning these old light globes, you can guarantee there will be a
"black market" for them.

Instead of costing 60 UK Pence, they will not cost 5 UK POUNDS.

A good way to make money.

Are we in the UK?? I had to look out the window to double check.

HR

 

[$)C"> Horry ">]

On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:01:24 -0800, Noodle wrote:

By banning these old light globes, you can guarantee there will be a
"black market" for them.

Instead of costing 60 UK Pence, they will not cost 5 UK POUNDS.

What will they cost then?

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2009-01-08, Luke O'Zade <No_one@home> wrote:

The light out put is awful for house interiers.

some claim this... must have got crap ones.

Is the magnesium oxide a danger when they break?

It's used in bulk as an antacid and laxative.

Next thing they'll be banning Vegamite ..................

Ban Vegemite, buy kiwi made Marmite.

 

[blofelds_cat]

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 8, 3:55 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in messagenews:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...


We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry it's OT

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-b...

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!


They might technically save money on electricity, but the unaffordable
upfront cost

We get them for free here in Melbourne.

and the fact that people will leave them on 24/7 because
they take too long to warm up

The minute or two that takes will cause you what problem exactly? the
death of a family member? The cat to have kittens? The fridge to stop
working?..

will negate any positives. I'm going
back to candles and kerosene lamps.

Possibly they will be banned too.



--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments

 

[blofelds_cat]

Luke O'Zade wrote:

Next thing they'll be banning Vegamite ..................

Funny you should mention that..

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24887208-662,00.html


--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments

 

[Bruce Varley]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:aaa14d0c-8cba-4bf1-b6c5-432cd5ae4970@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 11:38 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 8, 3:55 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in
messagenews:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry
it's OT

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-b...

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

They might technically save money on electricity, but the unaffordable
upfront cost

We get them for free here in Melbourne.

and the fact that people will leave them on 24/7 because
they take too long to warm up

The minute or two that takes will cause you what problem exactly? the
death of a family member?

Possibly, yes. You are forgetting that ALL incandesent globes are
going to be banned from November this year. This includes the brake
light globes in your car. So instead of you instantly seeing red
brake lights when the car in front hits the brake, you will only see
it 20 seconds or so AFTER the brakes are applied. This WILL lead to
more tail ender accidents, and as you suggested, it WILL cause many
more road deaths. This isn't the trivial issue you first thought is
it?

LOL. LEDs make fine indicator lights, many vehicles and traffic lights
already use them. They're just as visible as incandescents, and less prone
to failure.

 

[blofelds_cat]

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 8, 11:38 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 8, 3:55 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in messagenews:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry it's OT

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-b...

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

They might technically save money on electricity, but the unaffordable
upfront cost

We get them for free here in Melbourne.


and the fact that people will leave them on 24/7 because
they take too long to warm up

The minute or two that takes will cause you what problem exactly? the
death of a family member?


Possibly, yes. You are forgetting that ALL incandesent globes are
going to be banned from November this year. This includes the brake
light globes in your car. So instead of you instantly seeing red
brake lights when the car in front hits the brake,

Which 'brake' would that be, pray tell? what causes the car in front to
hit it? and what's it doing on the roadway anyway?

you will only see
it 20 seconds or so AFTER the brakes are applied.

Or perhaps not at all depending on how much damage has been done to it
by the car in front. Possibly it may be so severely damaged as to be
unrecognizable.

This WILL lead to
more tail ender accidents, and as you suggested, it WILL cause many
more road deaths. This isn't the trivial issue you first thought is
it?

Obviously not!

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/

"Rudds awkward, folksy addresses to troops in Afghanistan denigrated
their intelligence and the reason why they're there"

"Thank you Mr.Howard and Mr. Costello for the Christmas present Mr. Rudd sent me"

-media comments

 

[TG'sFM]

On Jan 8, 11:38 pm, blofelds_cat <blofelds_cat@_SPECTRE.com> wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:
On Jan 8, 3:55 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in messagenews:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry it's OT

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-b...

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

They might technically save money on electricity, but the unaffordable
upfront cost

We get them for free here in Melbourne.

 and the fact that people will leave them on 24/7 because
they take too long to warm up

The minute or two that takes will cause you what problem exactly? the
death of a family member?

Possibly, yes. You are forgetting that ALL incandesent globes are
going to be banned from November this year. This includes the brake
light globes in your car. So instead of you instantly seeing red
brake lights when the car in front hits the brake, you will only see
it 20 seconds or so AFTER the brakes are applied. This WILL lead to
more tail ender accidents, and as you suggested, it WILL cause many
more road deaths. This isn't the trivial issue you first thought is
it?

 

[DavidW]

MisterE wrote:

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing
light, they are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced
power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with
dimmers, but they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!

Not only that but if your power is from coal the conventional light
bulb will probably end up putting out more mercury from the coal ash,
its debatable how much of it 'gets out there' in eco systems etc.

What I HATE about this whole CFL thing is that people think they are
actually making a difference. Last time i checked australia would save
something like 800,000 tonnes per year by changing over. Our monthly
INCREASE in coal burning is far beyond this. ie. we delayed global
warming by about a week. Yets it's advertised that you should 'go
green' by changing your lightbuls etc. yeah right... thanks for your
insignificant contribution everyone.

The value in it is probably more in training people to think green, which will
have flow-on effects to public opinion on all matters green.

 

[$)C"> Horry ">]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:38:30 +0000, blofelds_cat wrote:

TG'sFM wrote:

On Jan 8, 3:55 pm, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in
messagenews:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...


We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry
it's OT

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-
b...

You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing light, they
are miniture heaters.

The CFL are designed for maximum light, with reduced power wastage.
Sure there is mercury in them, and they dont work with dimmers, but
they save a whole lot
of money on electricity!


They might technically save money on electricity, but the unaffordable
upfront cost

We get them for free here in Melbourne.

From whom?

 

[$)C"> Horry ">]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:55:02 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

"Luke O'Zade" <No_one@home> wrote in message
news:496574ce$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

We are being conned rotten by these green bastards.............Sorry
it's OT


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-
buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html


You're right !

This is an off topic post.

Conventional light bulbs are not efficient at producing light, they are
miniture heaters.

When compact fluorescent light bulbs become conventional, will we call
them conventional bulbs?