OT: Is Coronavirus an escaped 'cut 'n' paste bioweapon?

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 3:22:01 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 7:40:23 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 01 Feb 2020 00:47:01 +0000, Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

AIDS markers found in Coronavirus claim:

https://tinyurl.com/twoqow7

Viruses (and practically every other beast) constantly swap/steal bits
of other critter's genomes. Corona and HIV could have naturally
merged.

Too much of a coincidence. The P4 lab is right at the center of the outbreak.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/28/blog-posting/no-evidence-chinese-officials-will-say-coronavirus/

It looks more like a Breitbart beat-up than anything else.

PLAs are fully deployed for information control, rather than virus control.

The People's Liberation Armies?

Yes, they are on the moved to contain the city. After a few more days of blockade, there will be riots in the street.

The central government overrode local authority early on, to facilitate the evacuation of the (5 million) elites.

No surprise there, but no evidence of biological warfare either. They'd have reacted in exactly the same way to a perfectly natural plague.

First discovered in Nov 30. 8 doctors arrested for spreading the news. Facts (still with manipulated numbers) admitted perhaps two months later. Is that a reasonable reaction to natural plague?

Many indications of serious damage controls, according to some leaked news and videos.

After SARS (not to mention the Spanish flu) the whole world is pretty nervous about any kind of viral pneumonic plague. It's a perfectly reasonable attitude.

They even attempted to blame outside (U.S.) source for bio WMD, but was quickly traced back to P4. Ironically, China succeeded in doing what Japan failed to do in WW II, but to itself.

If you believe the kind of twaddle peddled by Breitbart and similar groups, and right-wing nitwits are Breitbart's natural prey.

Don't know who is Breitbart. I am just watching Chinese news and web postings, some from Wuhan insiders.

One video says that the P4 virus is very similar to SARS, but with 4 DNA sequences replaced in the spirit of HIV (more adaptable to human cells). Natural evolution would take 10,000 years to accomplish that.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:20:10 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 3:46:17 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 3:22:01 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 7:40:23 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 01 Feb 2020 00:47:01 +0000, Cursitor Doom
curd@notformail.com> wrote:

AIDS markers found in Coronavirus claim:

https://tinyurl.com/twoqow7

Viruses (and practically every other beast) constantly swap/steal bits
of other critter's genomes. Corona and HIV could have naturally
merged.

Too much of a coincidence. The P4 lab is right at the center of the outbreak.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/28/blog-posting/no-evidence-chinese-officials-will-say-coronavirus/

It looks more like a Breitbart beat-up than anything else.

PLAs are fully deployed for information control, rather than virus control.

The People's Liberation Armies?

Yes, they are on the moved to contain the city. After a few more days of blockade, there will be riots in the street.

The central government overrode local authority early on, to facilitate the evacuation of the (5 million) elites.

No surprise there, but no evidence of biological warfare either. They'd have reacted in exactly the same way to a perfectly natural plague.

First discovered in Nov 30. 8 doctors arrested for spreading the news. Facts (still with manipulated numbers) admitted perhaps two months later. Is that a reasonable reaction to natural plague?

A plague stops tourists from coming to visit, and discourages commercial activity. It's not a reasonable reaction, but it is the reaction you can expect from people who are more interested in short-term profit figures than long-term economic advantage (and there are a lot of them around).

Many indications of serious damage controls, according to some leaked news and videos.

After SARS (not to mention the Spanish flu) the whole world is pretty nervous about any kind of viral pneumonic plague. It's a perfectly reasonable attitude.

They even attempted to blame outside (U.S.) source for bio WMD, but was quickly traced back to P4. Ironically, China succeeded in doing what Japan failed to do in WW II, but to itself.

If you believe the kind of twaddle peddled by Breitbart and similar groups, and right-wing nitwits are Breitbart's natural prey.

Don't know who is Breitbart. I am just watching Chinese news and web postings, some from Wuhan insiders.

Web postings come from people like Cursitor Doom, who can't get enough right-wing conspiracy theories, and seek out the most fatuous they can find. Breitbart used to supply a lot of Cursitor Dooms silly ideas, but there are other groups who exploit him and similar gullible suckers.

> One video says that the P4 virus is very similar to SARS, but with 4 DNA sequences replaced in the spirit of HIV (more adaptable to human cells). Natural evolution would take 10,000 years to accomplish that.

What makes you think that? All that natural evolution requires is enough opportunities to vary the genome. That depends on the number of virus particles around, which can change with time. If you've got ten thousand more particles around than the number you first thought of, it will take one year, rather than 10,000.

A mutation that makes a virus more infectious will bump up the number in circulation, and the number of opportunities for it to mutate into something more deadly.

The fact that you haven't specified the length of DNA sequences involved (and don't seem to have realised that this might be important information) is another indicator that you - or the halfwits whose delusions you are propagating - don't know what they are talking about.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 02/02/20 00:20, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:

First discovered in Nov 30. 8 doctors arrested for spreading the news.
Facts (still with manipulated numbers) admitted perhaps two months later. Is
that a reasonable reaction to natural plague?

It is an unreasonable, stupid, destructive reaction to
a plague, natural or otherwise.

It is also typical of the way things happen in China.

Admitting a problem means loss of face for both the
person reporting it and the person to receiving the
report. Neither is good for career advancement.

Shame the USA appears to be going that way with
some of Trump's "clearing out the swamp"".

 

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 12:14:49 AM UTC-8, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 02/02/20 00:20, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
First discovered in Nov 30. 8 doctors arrested for spreading the news.
Facts (still with manipulated numbers) admitted perhaps two months later. Is
that a reasonable reaction to natural plague?

It is an unreasonable, stupid, destructive reaction to
a plague, natural or otherwise.

It is also typical of the way things happen in China.

Admitting a problem means loss of face for both the
person reporting it and the person to receiving the
report. Neither is good for career advancement.

Shame the USA appears to be going that way with
some of Trump's "clearing out the swamp"".

It's a cover up, whether the virus was organic or artificial. Facts is
that they were hosting virus in the lab intended for WMD.

The PLA P4 lab is 20km (12 miles) from the meat market.
The initial cases (14 out of 41) was unrelated to the meat market. The rest
might have been infected from the lab and went to the meat market later.
This was in mid-Nov 2019. Official statement is no P2P infection.

In Nov 31, 8 doctors claimed P2P infection and was arrested for disinformation.
The only crime is doing their job and telling the truth. Official statement is
no P2P and can only get it from eating wild animal meat. They had to deny
P2P infection from the lab. They closed the meat market and destroyed all evidents.

In mid-Jan 2020, hundreds were death and thousands were infected. Official
statement is no P2P infection. No explanation on how thousands were infected.
One week later, they changed their mind and confirm P2P infections.
Now, two months from initial outbreak, thousands were death and tens of thousands were inflected. Ignore the official numbers.

Before burying the city of 14 millions, they let 5 millions of the elite go.
The rest of the poor are declared "live and let die". Within the city, the
known infected are buried alive inside their house.

Projected infection in the millions.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 6:42:02 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 12:14:49 AM UTC-8, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 02/02/20 00:20, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
First discovered in Nov 30. 8 doctors arrested for spreading the news.
Facts (still with manipulated numbers) admitted perhaps two months later. Is that a reasonable reaction to natural plague?

It is an unreasonable, stupid, destructive reaction to
a plague, natural or otherwise.

It is also typical of the way things happen in China.

Admitting a problem means loss of face for both the
person reporting it and the person to receiving the
report. Neither is good for career advancement.

Shame the USA appears to be going that way with
some of Trump's "clearing out the swamp"".

It's a cover up, whether the virus was organic or artificial. Facts is
that they were hosting virus in the lab intended for WMD.

This isn't any kind of "fact". It's just one more hypothesis in a remarkably implausible conspiracy theory.

The PLA P4 lab is 20km (12 miles) from the meat market.
The initial cases (14 out of 41) was unrelated to the meat market. The rest
might have been infected from the lab and went to the meat market later.

And pigs might fly. The bats - which do seem to be the original source of the SARS virus, and the corona virus - can fly, but the vector that seems to have got it into humans were civet cats, which can't but do get sold as food at the wild meat market.

This was in mid-Nov 2019. Official statement is no P2P infection.

In Nov 31, 8 doctors claimed P2P infection and was arrested for disinformation.
The only crime is doing their job and telling the truth. Official statement is
no P2P and can only get it from eating wild animal meat. They had to deny
P2P infection from the lab. They closed the meat market and destroyed all
evidence.

The fact that they would have had to deny person-to-person infection from the lab doesn't mean that it ever happened. If there's one thing that biological warfare labs are good at, it's preventing person-to-person infection.

The local TV news has been full of pictures of the Australian university laboratories that have been cultivating the new corona virus (in order to get going on a vaccine against it). Every last picture if of people in full containment suites.

In mid-Jan 2020, hundreds were death and thousands were infected. Official
statement is no P2P infection. No explanation on how thousands were infected.
One week later, they changed their mind and confirm P2P infections.

Somebody overseas had evidence of person to person infection from somebody who wasn't visibly sick. Further denial was useless.

> Now, two months from initial outbreak, thousands were death and tens of thousands were inflected. Ignore the official numbers.

Sure. Ignore the official numbers and rely on some invented by some demented conspiracy theory buff.

Before burying the city of 14 millions, they let 5 millions of the elite go.
The rest of the poor are declared "live and let die". Within the city, the
known infected are buried alive inside their house.

It's called voluntary isolation. If you keep on delivering food and water, most of those who are infected will recover from the infection. The new corona virus seems to be less deadly than SARS, which killed about 10% of the people it infected.

> Projected infection in the millions.

By whom? Some demented blogger on the other side of the world?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 11:41:58 -0800 (PST), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

It's a cover up, whether the virus was organic or artificial. Facts is
that they were hosting virus in the lab intended for WMD.

Right, so when the Chinese government described the situation as
"grave" they were thinking about the consequences for THEM if the
world discovered how this outbreak came about and that they were
actively involved in the development of bio-weapons. Bastards.

 

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 5:19:00 PM UTC-8, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 11:41:58 -0800 (PST), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

It's a cover up, whether the virus was organic or artificial. Facts is
that they were hosting virus in the lab intended for WMD.

Right, so when the Chinese government described the situation as
"grave" they were thinking about the consequences for THEM if the
world discovered how this outbreak came about and that they were
actively involved in the development of bio-weapons. Bastards.

If we can only forward the stuffs coming out back into the rest of China,
the regime will be done in no time. Unfortunately, most in China still
cannot see what we are seeing.

 

Projected infection in the millions.

By whom? Some demented blogger on the other side of the world?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bill, get a heart and listen to the last week (slow death) of 24 yro Alice Wong:

I checked into the hospital on Jan 24. Had fever every since. They gave me two aspine everyday. I am coughing all the time, my lung feel very uncomfortable. I can't breath. They gave me oxygen. My fever never goes away. It's very uncomfortable. I asked for CT and blood screening, but the hospital won't do it. I don't know why.

I have complication and lying on bed. I can't move. They are still not giving me fluid, not even nutrition shot. This is my last word. Sorry, mom and dad. I am sorry.

This is the biggest joke of my life. I am saying i am dying and nobody believe me. I am dying.

Do not go to quarantine (hospital), no drug, no fluid. Just trying to fight it. I can't fight it anymore. I am dying.

I have to accept it. I never think i would die this way. The hospital don't care about me.
No drug, no fluid and no shot.

I don't think i can make it tonight. I am beginning to understand death. My mind is telling me;
I cannot die, but it's useless. I can't move. I can't get up.

The next day. I live another day. The hospital saw me alive; so that cut my oxygen supply.
They are murdering me. My parents think they are giving me treatments, but they are not
doing anything. I can't close my eyes upon death.

Armed police went to my parents' house. They ordered us to remove my postings online.
My mom said i am in the hospital. I am dying here and i am telling the truth.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 4:02:39 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

So, you still don't believe that they are burying/sealing/blocking 9 million people?

I believe that they are telling them to stay at home. That what you do when an infectious disease is on the lose.

They'd cremate anybody who died, rather than burying them, so your "burying them" is clearly more creative fiction.

Burying alive by blocking doors and windows of buildings.

You do have an active - if ill-informed - imagination.

Before burying the city of 14 millions, they let 5 millions of the elite go.
The rest of the poor are declared "live and let die". Within the city, the known infected are buried alive inside their house.

It's called voluntary isolation. If you keep on delivering food and water,

Water, yes, just pump from the river. Food, probably not.

Your creative imagination is running flat out here. If you want people to stay at home, you arrange food deliveries. Starving people have lower resistance to infection, and the last thing you want is a starving mob out hunting for something to eat.

That's why the PLAs are moving in. They just took over most of the hospitals, because the existing staff are too tired or dead.

A couple of medical staff have died. The rest are going to be very tired.

Putting in military medical staff would be entirely sensible.

most of those who are infected will recover from the infection. The new corona virus seems to be less deadly than SARS, which killed about 10% of the people it infected.

The city is cremating 200+ (maximum capacity) bodies everyday. The rest are stacking up.

And you know this because some other demented blogger has told that this is going on.

Wuhan has a population of 11 million. That's about 400 deaths a day on average.

In normal time, most of them were buried under-ground. So, 200+ cremations were more than necessary.

The local cremation facilities aren't going to have a maximum capacity of 200 bodies per day.

Yes in normal time.

They aren't sized for the average death rate. Even in normal times, the death rate varies quite a lot between seasons, and even mild infections kill off the elderly in droves. You sometimes have to cope with quite a few more bodies than usual.

Projected infection in the millions.

By whom? Some demented blogger on the other side of the world?

What do you think of the chance of survival for 9 million people with no outside contacts? They are running out of food and there is no plan to send anything in.

What makes you think that? Another demented blogger letting his imagination run riot?

Not feeding the people in the city would mean that they wouldn't stay in the city but rather get out to find food and escape. This isn't the desired outcome.

You may be stupid enough not to appreciate this, but even the crummiest government does know better than that.

Just wait a few more weeks and see.

I hope we get the opportunity.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:28:08 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 4:41:33 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 6:42:02 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 12:14:49 AM UTC-8, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 02/02/20 00:20, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com wrote:
First discovered in Nov 30. 8 doctors arrested for spreading the news.
Facts (still with manipulated numbers) admitted perhaps two months later. Is that a reasonable reaction to natural plague?

It is an unreasonable, stupid, destructive reaction to
a plague, natural or otherwise.

It is also typical of the way things happen in China.

Admitting a problem means loss of face for both the
person reporting it and the person to receiving the
report. Neither is good for career advancement.

Shame the USA appears to be going that way with
some of Trump's "clearing out the swamp"".

It's a cover up, whether the virus was organic or artificial. Facts is
that they were hosting virus in the lab intended for WMD.

This isn't any kind of "fact". It's just one more hypothesis in a remarkably implausible conspiracy theory.

The PLA P4 lab is 20km (12 miles) from the meat market.
The initial cases (14 out of 41) was unrelated to the meat market. The rest
might have been infected from the lab and went to the meat market later.

And pigs might fly. The bats - which do seem to be the original source of the SARS virus, and the corona virus - can fly, but the vector that seems to have got it into humans were civet cats, which can't but do get sold as food at the wild meat market.

This was in mid-Nov 2019. Official statement is no P2P infection.

In Nov 31, 8 doctors claimed P2P infection and was arrested for disinformation.
The only crime is doing their job and telling the truth. Official statement is
no P2P and can only get it from eating wild animal meat. They had to deny
P2P infection from the lab. They closed the meat market and destroyed all
evidence.

The fact that they would have had to deny person-to-person infection from the lab doesn't mean that it ever happened. If there's one thing that biological warfare labs are good at, it's preventing person-to-person infection.

Yes, if it's truly P4 compliant. But, it's not.

And you know this because some other conspiracy theory nutter told you so?

The local TV news has been full of pictures of the Australian university laboratories that have been cultivating the new corona virus (in order to get going on a vaccine against it). Every last picture if of people in full containment suites.

In mid-Jan 2020, hundreds were death and thousands were infected. Official statement is no P2P infection. No explanation on how thousands were infected.
One week later, they changed their mind and confirm P2P infections.

Somebody overseas had evidence of person to person infection from somebody who wasn't visibly sick. Further denial was useless.

Now, two months from initial outbreak, thousands were death and tens of thousands were inflected. Ignore the official numbers.

Sure. Ignore the official numbers and rely on some invented by some demented conspiracy theory buff.

So, you still don't believe that they are burying/sealing/blocking 9 million people?

I believe that they are telling them to stay at home. That what you do when an infectious disease is on the lose.

They'd cremate anybody who died, rather than burying them, so your "burying them" is clearly more creative fiction.

Before burying the city of 14 millions, they let 5 millions of the elite go.
The rest of the poor are declared "live and let die". Within the city, the known infected are buried alive inside their house.

It's called voluntary isolation. If you keep on delivering food and water,

Water, yes, just pump from the river. Food, probably not.

Your creative imagination is running flat out here. If you want people to stay at home, you arrange food deliveries. Starving people have lower resistance to infection, and the last thing you want is a starving mob out hunting for something to eat.

most of those who are infected will recover from the infection. The new corona virus seems to be less deadly than SARS, which killed about 10% of the people it infected.

The city is cremating 200+ (maximum capacity) bodies everyday. The rest are stacking up.

And you know this because some other demented blogger has told that this is going on.

Wuhan has a population of 11 million. That's about 400 deaths a day on average.

The local cremation facilities aren't going to have a maximum capacity of 200 bodies per day.

Projected infection in the millions.

By whom? Some demented blogger on the other side of the world?

What do you think of the chance of survival for 9 million people with no outside contacts? They are running out of food and there is no plan to send anything in.

What makes you think that? Another demented blogger letting his imagination run riot?

Not feeding the people in the city would mean that they wouldn't stay in the city but rather get out to find food and escape. This isn't the desired outcome.

You may be stupid enough not to appreciate this, but even the crummiest government does know better than that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:23:44 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

Projected infection in the millions.

By whom? Some demented blogger on the other side of the world?

Bill, get a heart and listen to the last week (slow death) of 24 yro Alice Wong:

<snipped the ramblings of a sick patient>

Quite how this is supposed to convince anybody that millions are dying escapes me.

The latest death toll was up t 362 people in China according to CNN some eight minutes ago. It's going to rise, but millions seems likely to be an over-estimate.

None of my relatives died of the Spanish flu, but my wife's grandfather did..

The corona virus is unlikely to be anything like as deadly, largely because we've now got a much better understanding of how virus infections spread, and what you need to do to stop them spreading. Listening to half-witted alarmists isn't part of the prescription.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

So, you still don't believe that they are burying/sealing/blocking 9 million people?

I believe that they are telling them to stay at home. That what you do when an infectious disease is on the lose.

They'd cremate anybody who died, rather than burying them, so your "burying them" is clearly more creative fiction.

Burying alive by blocking doors and windows of buildings.

Before burying the city of 14 millions, they let 5 millions of the elite go.
The rest of the poor are declared "live and let die". Within the city, the known infected are buried alive inside their house.

It's called voluntary isolation. If you keep on delivering food and water,

Water, yes, just pump from the river. Food, probably not.

Your creative imagination is running flat out here. If you want people to stay at home, you arrange food deliveries. Starving people have lower resistance to infection, and the last thing you want is a starving mob out hunting for something to eat.

That's why the PLAs are moving in. They just took over most of the hospitals, because the existing staffs are too tire or dead.

most of those who are infected will recover from the infection. The new corona virus seems to be less deadly than SARS, which killed about 10% of the people it infected.

The city is cremating 200+ (maximum capacity) bodies everyday. The rest are stacking up.

And you know this because some other demented blogger has told that this is going on.

Wuhan has a population of 11 million. That's about 400 deaths a day on average.

In normal time, most of them were buried under-ground. So, 200+ cremations were more than necessary.

> The local cremation facilities aren't going to have a maximum capacity of 200 bodies per day.

Yes in normal time.

Projected infection in the millions.

By whom? Some demented blogger on the other side of the world?

What do you think of the chance of survival for 9 million people with no outside contacts? They are running out of food and there is no plan to send anything in.

What makes you think that? Another demented blogger letting his imagination run riot?

Not feeding the people in the city would mean that they wouldn't stay in the city but rather get out to find food and escape. This isn't the desired outcome.

You may be stupid enough not to appreciate this, but even the crummiest government does know better than that.

Just wait a few more weeks and see.

 

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 8:59:26 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:23:44 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
Projected infection in the millions.

By whom? Some demented blogger on the other side of the world?

Bill, get a heart and listen to the last week (slow death) of 24 yro Alice Wong:

snipped the ramblings of a sick patient

Quite how this is supposed to convince anybody that millions are dying escapes me.

I said infected eventually, not dying. Dying or not depends on how they are treated. If they are treated the same way as that girl, could be good fraction of infected.

> The latest death toll was up t 362 people in China according to CNN some eight minutes ago. It's going to rise, but millions seems likely to be an over-estimate.

If these numbers are truth, there is no need to quarantine a city of 9 millions.

None of my relatives died of the Spanish flu, but my wife's grandfather did.

The corona virus is unlikely to be anything like as deadly, largely because we've now got a much better understanding of how virus infections spread, and what you need to do to stop them spreading. Listening to half-witted alarmists isn't part of the prescription.

Yes if they followed procedures to contain it early, but they missed the golden opportunity, as well as the silver and bronze.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 4:10:13 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 8:59:26 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:23:44 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
Projected infection in the millions.

By whom? Some demented blogger on the other side of the world?

Bill, get a heart and listen to the last week (slow death) of 24 yro Alice Wong:

snipped the ramblings of a sick patient

Quite how this is supposed to convince anybody that millions are dying escapes me.

I said infected eventually, not dying. Dying or not depends on how they are treated. If they are treated the same way as that girl, could be good fraction of infected.

If the sick girl was right that she could have had better treatment - perhaps.

Doctors are advised not to treat themselves - when they get sick they don't think all that clearly. Patients without medical training are an even less reliable authorities on the treatment they need.

The latest death toll was up t 362 people in China according to CNN some eight minutes ago. It's going to rise, but millions seems likely to be an over-estimate.

If these numbers are truth, there is no need to quarantine a city of 9 millions.

Actually, there is. The most worrying thing about the present outbreak is that the number of people infected is still growing exponentially. Once we get good enough at isolating the people who might develop the disease before they infect new victims, that number will stop growing, and we should be okay.

None of my relatives died of the Spanish flu, but my wife's grandfather did.

The corona virus is unlikely to be anything like as deadly, largely because we've now got a much better understanding of how virus infections spread, and what you need to do to stop them spreading. Listening to half-witted alarmists isn't part of the prescription.

Yes if they followed procedures to contain it early, but they missed the golden opportunity, as well as the silver and bronze.

You've got to recognise it as a potential plague, and be able to provide convincing evidence that it is a plague before you can get the world to give up on business as usual.

Hindsight is wonderfully clear, but not available when it might be useful.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2020-02-03, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 4:41:33 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:

So, you still don't believe that they are burying/sealing/blocking 9 million people?

Before burying the city of 14 millions, they let 5 millions of the elite go.
The rest of the poor are declared "live and let die". Within the city, the
known infected are buried alive inside their house.

It's called voluntary isolation. If you keep on delivering food and water,

Water, yes, just pump from the river. Food, probably not.

most of those who are infected will recover from the infection. The new corona virus seems to be less deadly than SARS, which killed about 10% of the people it infected.

The city is cremating 200+ (maximum capacity) bodies everyday. The rest are stacking up.

Assuming a life expectancy of 80 years, a city of 9 million people has 300 people die in a normal day
your claim is not credible.

--
Jasen.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:31:36 PM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 5:19:00 PM UTC-8, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 11:41:58 -0800 (PST), edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

It's a cover up, whether the virus was organic or artificial. Facts is
that they were hosting virus in the lab intended for WMD.

Right, so when the Chinese government described the situation as
"grave" they were thinking about the consequences for THEM if the
world discovered how this outbreak came about and that they were
actively involved in the development of bio-weapons. Bastards.

If we can only forward the stuffs coming out back into the rest of China,
the regime will be done in no time. Unfortunately, most in China still
cannot see what we are seeing.

Largely because what you think your are "seeing" is the product of the fertile imagination of conspiracy theory nuts.

Chairman Mao's "Great Leap Forward" killed between 18 and 56 million people, mostly by starvation. That didn't damage the regime, any more than the Spanish Flu wrecked any European regimes.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 9:32:37 PM UTC-8, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2020-02-03, edward.ming.lee@gmail.com <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 4:41:33 PM UTC-8, Bill Sloman wrote:

So, you still don't believe that they are burying/sealing/blocking 9 million people?

Before burying the city of 14 millions, they let 5 millions of the elite go.
The rest of the poor are declared "live and let die". Within the city, the
known infected are buried alive inside their house.

It's called voluntary isolation. If you keep on delivering food and water,

Water, yes, just pump from the river. Food, probably not.

most of those who are infected will recover from the infection. The new corona virus seems to be less deadly than SARS, which killed about 10% of the people it infected.

The city is cremating 200+ (maximum capacity) bodies everyday. The rest are stacking up.

Assuming a life expectancy of 80 years, a city of 9 million people has 300 people die in a normal day
your claim is not credible.

In normal time, they don't cremate in China.
Now, all infected bodies must be cremated.