OT: interesting detective work re: Wuhan virus lab

[Phil Hobbs]

https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[bitrex]

On 4/5/2020 2:35 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 4/5/2020 1:16 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye).  He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


He says "we don't know much"

Accurate. What the CCP also likes doing is fucking with their enemy's
heads; he seems to think they would actually be unhappy about a bunch of
US amateur-conspiracy-theorists thinking up all sorts of things they'll
never be able to prove and posting 'em on the Internet and having Don
Trump repeat them verbatim.

Great! Making the US look like paranoid lunatics throwing accusations
around when they can't even mount an effective response to their own
problems? awesome.

Ironically enough the one Republican who seems to have brushed off the
China-conspiracy-angle somewhat so far seems to be Donald Trump; he may
have inkling conception of how the game is played unlike the bozos he
surrounds himself with.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/5/2020 1:16 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye).  He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

He says "we don't know much"

Accurate. What the CCP also likes doing is fucking with their enemy's
heads; he seems to think they would actually be unhappy about a bunch of
US amateur-conspiracy-theorists thinking up all sorts of things they'll
never be able to prove and posting 'em on the Internet and having Don
Trump repeat them verbatim.

Great! Making the US look like paranoid lunatics throwing accusations
around when they can't even mount an effective response to their own
problems? awesome.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/5/2020 3:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 14:39:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/5/2020 2:35 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/5/2020 1:16 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye).  He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


He says "we don't know much"

Accurate. What the CCP also likes doing is fucking with their enemy's
heads; he seems to think they would actually be unhappy about a bunch of
US amateur-conspiracy-theorists thinking up all sorts of things they'll
never be able to prove and posting 'em on the Internet and having Don
Trump repeat them verbatim.

Great! Making the US look like paranoid lunatics throwing accusations
around when they can't even mount an effective response to their own
problems? awesome.



Ironically enough the one Republican who seems to have brushed off the
China-conspiracy-angle somewhat so far seems to be Donald Trump; he may
have inkling conception of how the game is played unlike the bozos he
surrounds himself with.

He wrote a book.

Or someone else wrote a book with something similar to things he said
after he said them. Like Jesus if you think about it!

Anyway here is my conspiracy theory:

all governments lie and all governments know all other governments lie
and they lie about the lies to cover the consequences of their own lies.

The virus perhaps started spreading from multiple vectors
near-simultaneously no "patient 0" will ever be known precisely, or what
its exact point or time of origin was, no law in nature that I know of
that says that's impossible.

If China really wanted someone "scrubbed from the Internet" they would
be scrubbed, some tourist with a YT channel wouldn't be able to discover
evidence of their existence in 5 minute.

Fascinating, huh? Send me money?

 

[bitrex]

On 4/5/2020 3:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 14:39:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/5/2020 2:35 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/5/2020 1:16 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye).  He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


He says "we don't know much"

Accurate. What the CCP also likes doing is fucking with their enemy's
heads; he seems to think they would actually be unhappy about a bunch of
US amateur-conspiracy-theorists thinking up all sorts of things they'll
never be able to prove and posting 'em on the Internet and having Don
Trump repeat them verbatim.

Great! Making the US look like paranoid lunatics throwing accusations
around when they can't even mount an effective response to their own
problems? awesome.



Ironically enough the one Republican who seems to have brushed off the
China-conspiracy-angle somewhat so far seems to be Donald Trump; he may
have inkling conception of how the game is played unlike the bozos he
surrounds himself with.

He wrote a book.

Yes he probably understands that you e.g. don't catch your girlfriend
cheating by throwing accusations because you "caught" her talking to a
man you don't know on the phone one time, it just makes you look bad.
you got nothing.

You catch them (if you have a need for the dramatic) by you being
sitting in a chair in the bedroom when she and her paramour enter and
flip on the lights. "Hi, everybody!" as one example.

but this is not exactly a high-bar of "game"

 

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 14:39:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/5/2020 2:35 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/5/2020 1:16 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye).  He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


He says "we don't know much"

Accurate. What the CCP also likes doing is fucking with their enemy's
heads; he seems to think they would actually be unhappy about a bunch of
US amateur-conspiracy-theorists thinking up all sorts of things they'll
never be able to prove and posting 'em on the Internet and having Don
Trump repeat them verbatim.

Great! Making the US look like paranoid lunatics throwing accusations
around when they can't even mount an effective response to their own
problems? awesome.



Ironically enough the one Republican who seems to have brushed off the
China-conspiracy-angle somewhat so far seems to be Donald Trump; he may
have inkling conception of how the game is played unlike the bozos he
surrounds himself with.

He wrote a book.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 5:04:04 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 14:39:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/5/2020 2:35 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/5/2020 1:16 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye).  He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


He says "we don't know much"

Accurate. What the CCP also likes doing is fucking with their enemy's
heads; he seems to think they would actually be unhappy about a bunch of
US amateur-conspiracy-theorists thinking up all sorts of things they'll
never be able to prove and posting 'em on the Internet and having Don
Trump repeat them verbatim.

Great! Making the US look like paranoid lunatics throwing accusations
around when they can't even mount an effective response to their own
problems? awesome.



Ironically enough the one Republican who seems to have brushed off the
China-conspiracy-angle somewhat so far seems to be Donald Trump; he may
have inkling conception of how the game is played unlike the bozos he
surrounds himself with.

He wrote a book.

He didn't. "The Art of the Deal" was ghost-written.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump:_The_Art_of_the_Deal

The guy who wrote it later suggested that the book should be "recategorized as fiction".

We've told John Larkin this before, but he doesn't seem to have noticed.

--
Bill Sloman, sydney

 

[George Herold]

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Interesting, thanks Phil. Some lab screw-up seems as likely as
some meat market transmission.

George H.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 12:02:04 AM UTC+10, George Herold wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Interesting, thanks Phil. Some lab screw-up seems as likely as
some meat market transmission.

The people that looked at the Covid-19 genome said it looked natural, rather than synthetic. The conspiracy theory merchants don't find that persuasive, but they wouldn't let inconvenient facts stand in the way of an attractive conspiracy theory.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Interesting, thanks Phil. Some lab screw-up seems as likely as
some meat market transmission.

George H.

Some lab tech could have picked up the virus from one of many samples,
and then gone grocery shopping after work. The lab just increased
bat-to-people interaction.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

You've never seen him demonstrate any intelligence either. You don't go into a so-called investigation with a preconceived idea of what happened, and that based on the justification he "just knows China." Then he picks around for hearsay and circumstantial information that supports his preconceived idea without any mention, recognition or consideration of anything that might refute his original preconceived idea. He's basically a joke with arrested development.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-06 10:01, George Herold wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Interesting, thanks Phil. Some lab screw-up seems as likely as
some meat market transmission.

Especially since they were apparently handling the Wu 'flu virus in
_Level_2_. Morons.

There had better be a reckoning after all this is over.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

You've never seen him demonstrate any intelligence either. You don't go into a >so-called investigation with a preconceived idea of what happened,

You mean like our fact checkers in the media?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

blocher@columbus.rr.com wrote in news:ca7496b3-b677-45a7-a7d7-
04451eeb7087@googlegroups.com:

You mean like our fact checkers in the media?

Wow. Not only a lie, but a Trumpesquian, TrumpTarded lie.
Get your face out of Trump's ass.

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:22:08 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 12:02:04 AM UTC+10, George Herold wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

Interesting, thanks Phil. Some lab screw-up seems as likely as
some meat market transmission.

The people that looked at the Covid-19 genome said it looked natural, rather than synthetic. The conspiracy theory merchants don't find that persuasive, but they wouldn't let inconvenient facts stand in the way of an attractive conspiracy theory.

They say the biggest complement to a woman is that if they are fake, say they look real and if they are real say they look fake.

I'm talking about eyelashes of course.

Same with infectious viruses.

--

Ricky C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:52:06 PM UTC-4, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

You've never seen him demonstrate any intelligence either. You don't go into a >so-called investigation with a preconceived idea of what happened,


You mean like our fact checkers in the media?

Yep- there's another bunch. They start out with the premise Trump can't do anything right, then dig up every bit of misinformation however remotely related to the crisis to "prove" it.

Recently they dug up a U.S. Northern Command report from 2017 "Pandemic Influenza and Infectious Disease Response, Plan 3560", misstated that it predicted the COVID-19 pandemic with near certainty, and that it outlined complete and feasible response by the president. When in fact the plan did no such thing.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-military-shortage-pandemic/
Then they're dinging him for "closing" the global health security office, when he did no such thing. It was part of bloated bureaucracy that was consolidated and kept mostly intact, under Bolton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:15:05 PM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:52:06 PM UTC-4, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

You've never seen him demonstrate any intelligence either. You don't go into a >so-called investigation with a preconceived idea of what happened,


You mean like our fact checkers in the media?

Yep- there's another bunch. They start out with the premise Trump can't do anything right, then dig up every bit of misinformation however remotely related to the crisis to "prove" it.

Recently they dug up a U.S. Northern Command report from 2017 "Pandemic Influenza and Infectious Disease Response, Plan 3560", misstated that it predicted the COVID-19 pandemic with near certainty, and that it outlined complete and feasible response by the president. When in fact the plan did no such thing.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-military-shortage-pandemic/
Then they're dinging him for "closing" the global health security office, when he did no such thing. It was part of bloated bureaucracy that was consolidated and kept mostly intact, under Bolton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html






Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

It is ridiculous to "report" that anyone saw this pandemic coming. What is reported is that the probability of a major pandemic is about 1% in any given year, or once in 100 years. But libtards are not about the truth or fair and balanced reporting; they are about controlling the narrative to spread their ideology. Just read Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky. Rule 11 is:
"If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside."
Note that there is no requirement that the negative be factual.

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:18:08 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting, thanks Phil. Some lab screw-up seems as likely as
some meat market transmission.

Some lab tech could have picked up the virus from one of many samples,
and then gone grocery shopping after work.

Well, not in the bio labs I've known. The nearby lab does, however,
offer a coincidence that can fuel rumor, and such a rumor possibility would explain
the early-days suppression of the virus news. Once the officials recognized
the new disease, info flowed freely (because, in a pandemic, that's the safest
way to proceed).

I'd think that free trade across the US-Canada border, in addition to being in accord with
treaty, would also be safest.

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 9:32:47 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:18:08 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
ggherold@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting, thanks Phil. Some lab screw-up seems as likely as
some meat market transmission.


Some lab tech could have picked up the virus from one of many samples,
and then gone grocery shopping after work.

Well, not in the bio labs I've known. The nearby lab does, however,
offer a coincidence that can fuel rumor, and such a rumor possibility would explain
the early-days suppression of the virus news. Once the officials recognized
the new disease, info flowed freely (because, in a pandemic, that's the safest
way to proceed).

I'd think that free trade across the US-Canada border, in addition to being in accord with
treaty, would also be safest.

More than a coincidence - the bat in question was not sold in the wet market, it came from 600 miles away from samples collected by a researcher at the Wuhan lab.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/6/2020 10:25 PM, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:15:05 PM UTC-7, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:52:06 PM UTC-4, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 1:16:12 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU

I really like this guy (Matthew Tye). He's both talented and
careful--he has a lot of interesting material on living in China, and
I've never seen him go beyond the evidence.

You've never seen him demonstrate any intelligence either. You don't go into a >so-called investigation with a preconceived idea of what happened,


You mean like our fact checkers in the media?

Yep- there's another bunch. They start out with the premise Trump can't do anything right, then dig up every bit of misinformation however remotely related to the crisis to "prove" it.

Recently they dug up a U.S. Northern Command report from 2017 "Pandemic Influenza and Infectious Disease Response, Plan 3560", misstated that it predicted the COVID-19 pandemic with near certainty, and that it outlined complete and feasible response by the president. When in fact the plan did no such thing.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-military-shortage-pandemic/
Then they're dinging him for "closing" the global health security office, when he did no such thing. It was part of bloated bureaucracy that was consolidated and kept mostly intact, under Bolton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html






Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

It is ridiculous to "report" that anyone saw this pandemic coming. What is reported is that the probability of a major pandemic is about 1% in any given year, or once in 100 years. But libtards are not about the truth or fair and balanced reporting; they are about controlling the narrative to spread their ideology. Just read Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky. Rule 11 is:
"If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside."
Note that there is no requirement that the negative be factual.

Histrionic geriatric Republicans irritating their bored younger family
members at Thanksgiving dinner ranting on about winger conspiracy
nuttery has done more to spread liberal ideology than liberals ever
could themselves I figure.

I used to have this wingnut janitor in high school who accused me of not
believing in God because I wasn't entirely convinced that TWA Flight 800
was shot down by an Israeli missile on orders of the Clintons or
somesuch. What a fuckin' loon.