OT: Henry Kissinger on Ukraine...

[John Doe]

NATO is a MILITARY organization.

But it\'s true, not all countries have been invaded by NATO, and the
leadership of some of those have decided to join NATO. But the idea NATO
membership is all \"the will of the people\" is hilarious.

https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=16

\"If the prosecutor is not fired, you\'re not getting the money... Well son of a bitch, he got fired!\"

But of course (with a straight face), Joe wanted the prosecutor fired
because he WASN\'T investigating the company his son was working for...

That\'s sillier than the \"oceanfront property in Arizona\" stuff.


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On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:01:22 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

Then, shortly before the invasion, Zelensky was demanding NATO admittance.
Apparently Kamala Harris made a careless statement of approval too, but I
haven\'t been able to find a record of that. Apparently the same happened
with Georgia.

It\'s no secret. Many Americans and others have warned about it. NATO has
been expanding towards Russia\'s border since the Cold War supposedly
ended. It\'s naked aggression. They want a first strike capability.

False. Ukraine\'s Lviv (formerly Lvov, Poland) was first invaded by Stalin, who
later turned that city (and its Jews) over to Germany. Another, recent invasion
from Russia was in Crimea. This is a third \"first strike\" from Russia.

NATO can, and has, kept borders intact regardless of Russian agressions.
NATO has not conquered any territory, all NATO nations are self-governing.
I suspect many inhabitants of Ukraine prefer to be self-governed, and
whether they speak Russian or not, do not expect good rule from military
governors and/or Moscow. NATO as an alternative to Moscow or unelected puppets
is thus an attractive prospect.

Ukraine\'s history with Russian rulers includes the \'collectivation of agriculture\' episode
which claimed millions of lives. How many, history may never know, but... Ukraine
remembers.

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 12 Mar 2022 03:55:29 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t0h5jh$18f$2@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

FFGwGawbdZYY

 

[John Doe]

Poor liddle Eddie got spanked and just can\'t get over it.

Unless Eddie is nym-shifting, it has never posted anything NORMAL
except when it got a severe spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

Is Eddie a nym-shifting troll, or a newbie netcop wannabe?

See also...
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>

Eddie is an example for all newbies. Don\'t get spanked!

Spanked Eddie...

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 12 Mar 2022 03:55:29 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t0h5jh$18f$2@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

FFGwGawbdZYY

 

[Edward Hernandez]

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn\'t even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Sat, 12 Mar 2022 04:11:57 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t0h6ic$18f$6@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it\'s own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

EFEYYqxIiRDe

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:55:39 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

NATO is a MILITARY organization.

Yeah, NATO is military, BUT not agressive; never has a land become a NATO state by conquest.
Russia, after the Crimea insurrection/invasion, handed out batches of Russian
passports to their new citizens.

But it\'s true, not all countries have been invaded by NATO, and the
leadership of some of those have decided to join NATO. But the idea NATO
membership is all \"the will of the people\" is hilarious.

https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=16

\"If the prosecutor is not fired, you\'re not getting the money... Well son of a bitch, he got fired!\"

So what? The prosecutor was arguably corrupt. Zelensky arguably isn\'t, and wasn\'t.
Despite the US membership in NATO, that wasn\'t a NATO action in any case.
Contrast the \'influence\' exerted (2004) when Viktor Yushchenko got a big dose of dioxin
and nearly died. Some say that sounds like a KGB trick.

 

[John Doe]

Such a silly troll...


whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:55:39 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
NATO is a MILITARY organization.

Yeah, NATO is military, BUT not agressive; never has a land become a NATO
state by conquest.
Russia, after the Crimea insurrection/invasion, handed out batches of
Russian
passports to their new citizens.

But it\'s true, not all countries have been invaded by NATO, and the
leadership of some of those have decided to join NATO. But the idea NATO
membership is all \"the will of the people\" is hilarious.

https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=16

\"If the prosecutor is not fired, you\'re not getting the money... Well son
of a bitch, he got fired!\"

So what? The prosecutor was arguably corrupt. Zelensky arguably isn\'t,
and wasn\'t.
Despite the US membership in NATO, that wasn\'t a NATO action in any case.
Contrast the \'influence\' exerted (2004) when Viktor Yushchenko got a big
dose of dioxin
and nearly died. Some say that sounds like a KGB trick.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:07:52 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 7:55:39 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
NATO is a MILITARY organization.

Yeah, NATO is military, BUT not agressive; never has a land become a NATO
state by conquest.
Russia, after the Crimea insurrection/invasion, handed out batches of
Russian
passports to their new citizens.

But it\'s true, not all countries have been invaded by NATO, and the
leadership of some of those have decided to join NATO. But the idea NATO
membership is all \"the will of the people\" is hilarious.

https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY?t=16

\"If the prosecutor is not fired, you\'re not getting the money... Well son
of a bitch, he got fired!\"

So what? The prosecutor was arguably corrupt. Zelensky arguably isn\'t, and wasn\'t.
Despite the US membership in NATO, that wasn\'t a NATO action in any case.
Contrast the \'influence\' exerted (2004) when Viktor Yushchenko got a big dose of dioxin and nearly died. Some say that sounds like a KGB trick.

Such a silly troll...

John Doe - as our resident silly troll - should be an expert on the subject, but as he clearly doesn\'t realise that he is a remarkably silly troll, his expertise in recognising troll-like behavior clearly isn\'t up to much. He\'s probably recycling abuse originally directed at him.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Doe]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/12/19/expand-nato-now/f1f0b4ed-56ee-4e5b-84ba-ae19a07a9997/

Henry Kissinger\'s ideas of NATO\'s expansion was nothing like how it turned
out.

Such a treaty would provide that no foreign troops be stationed on the
territory of new NATO members, on the model of the arrangement for East
Germany (or, better, no closer than a fixed distance from the eastern
border of Poland).

There are already NATO troops in three out of four of those Visigrad
countries Kissinger wanted them to stay out of. There are NATO troops in
Germany. And now Poland is dying to send fighter jets to Ukraine.

The problem is NATO expansion, obviously.




John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
thrive, it must not be either side\'s outpost against the other - it
should function as a bridge between them.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:51:38 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
> Bill is a <snip> America-bashing troll from Australia.

John Doe is a deluded idiot who claims to be from America. Anonymous trolls can claim any nationality they like.

I\'m not actually a troll, while John Doe clearly is, and I don\'t go in for America-bashing. What I actually go in for is idiot bashing - John Doe claims to be an American idiot, and flatters himself with the idea that I\'m going after him because he might be an American, rather than the idiot he he clearly is.

<Ive snipped thre stof his drivel>

-
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:03:12 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

John Doe <alway...@message.header> wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

Far too often, the Ukrainian issue is posed as a showdown: whether
Ukraine joins the East or the West. But if Ukraine is to survive and
thrive, it must not be either side\'s outpost against the other - it
should function as a bridge between them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/12/19/expand-nato-now/f1f0b4ed-56ee-4e5b-84ba-ae19a07a9997/

Henry Kissinger\'s ideas of NATO\'s expansion was nothing like how it turned out.

A lot has happened since 1994.

Such a treaty would provide that no foreign troops be stationed on the
territory of new NATO members, on the model of the arrangement for East
Germany (or, better, no closer than a fixed distance from the eastern
border of Poland).

There are already NATO troops in three out of four of those Visigrad
countries Kissinger wanted them to stay out of. There are NATO troops in
Germany. And now Poland is dying to send fighter jets to Ukraine.

The problem is NATO expansion, obviously.

John Doe seems to ignore the possibility that Putin\'s territorial ambitions might be seen as a problem by his neighbors who were formerly satellite states of the USSR.

They don\'t look back all that fondly on that period.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney