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The scam is unraveling! Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.
 
On 4/12/2011 3:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
The scam is unraveling! Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.

Too late. They already are.
 
On 12/4/2011 3:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
The scam is unraveling!
**What "scam" would that be?

Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock


Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.
**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that preceeded them.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/4/2011 3:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
The scam is unraveling!

**What "scam" would that be?

Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock


Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.

**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that preceeded them.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

It appears that some of the predictions based on this peer reviewed
science may not be backed up by evidence and fact.
 
On 4/12/2011 5:06 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/4/2011 3:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
The scam is unraveling!

**What "scam" would that be?

Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock


Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.

**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that preceeded
them.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

It appears that some of the predictions based on this peer reviewed
science may not be backed up by evidence and fact.

you misspelt 99%
but we knew that tweva is full of shite

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/4/2011 3:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
The scam is unraveling!

**What "scam" would that be?

Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock


Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.

**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that preceeded them.
In fact they're hopelessly inept compared to those before them,
whether it be pink bats, climate change, live cattle exports, the
Malaysian solution or Craig Thomson. Being beholden to the Green
Slime hasn't helped. Theirs has to be one of the most spectacular
crashes in Australian political history.

And of course the wealth distribution tax will do absolutely nothing
to counter GW, which they knew all along.

--
John H
 
On 4/12/2011 4:57 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**What "scam" would that be?
The Global Warming one.

The one were most of the "credible" scientists in England who have been
associated with it for a number of years are now largely in hiding after
it was recently revealed that their modelling was wrong (and they knew
it) and that their principal objective was to scare the shit out of the
public to ensure continued funding.

Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock
Feel free to call me a laughing stock Trev. When you have people like
Bob Brown on your side I piss my pants all day long :)

**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that preceeded them.
If Abbott lives up to his promise of abolishing the Carbon Tax when he
takes office at the next election he'll be better than most.



--
Regards,
Noddy.
 
On 4/12/2011 8:40 PM, John_H wrote:

In fact they're hopelessly inept compared to those before them,
whether it be pink bats, climate change, live cattle exports, the
Malaysian solution or Craig Thomson. Being beholden to the Green
Slime hasn't helped. Theirs has to be one of the most spectacular
crashes in Australian political history.
I would have thought it'd be *the* most spectacular. Even Labor party
members are talking about the party being eradicated.

And of course the wealth distribution tax will do absolutely nothing
to counter GW, which they knew all along.
Of course.



--
Regards,
Noddy.
 
On Dec 4, 2:17 pm, F Murtz <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The scam is unraveling! Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.

Its wonderful to watch isnt it !


This filthy dirty lowlife Carbon tax / GW scam, Potentially probably
history's greatest ever theft of private property rights, theft of the
fruits of our own labor, and the removal of our right to travel, and
to even exist, or have future generations, not to mention the
corruption and total RAPE of the one time dignity and integrity of the
institution that is science, that (when not in evil hands) has done so
much for mankind and the world .

This scam was a huge hit to humanity itself and just about everything
it had achieved. Its so good to see the tide turning, but the battle
is not over yet. We need to see the scum behind it being shown to
cells and gallows for this crime against humanity.
 
kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 4, 2:17=A0pm, F Murtz <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The scam is unraveling! Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.

Its wonderful to watch isnt it !

This filthy dirty lowlife Carbon tax / GW scam, Potentially probably
history's greatest ever theft of private property rights, theft of the
fruits of our own labor, and the removal of our right to travel, and
to even exist, or have future generations, not to mention the
corruption and total RAPE of the one time dignity and integrity of the
institution that is science, that (when not in evil hands) has done so
much for mankind and the world .

This scam was a huge hit to humanity itself and just about everything
it had achieved. Its so good to see the tide turning, but the battle
is not over yet. We need to see the scum behind it being shown to
cells and gallows for this crime against humanity.
Quoting from 2268.txt of the Climategate files:

>What if climate change appears to be just mainly a
>multidecadal natural fluctuation? They'll kill us
>probably...
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On 12/4/2011 11:56 PM, Noddy wrote:
On 4/12/2011 4:57 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**What "scam" would that be?

The Global Warming one.
**Again: Citing Alan Jones as some kind of credible scientific source is
hardly appropriate. When the guys at CSIRO, NASA, The Australian Academy
of Science, the US National Academy of Science, the UK Met, The
Australian BoM, The French Academy of Science, the German Academy of
Science, Austrian Academy of Sciences, Royal Society of Canada, Royal
Danish Acadeny of Sciences and Letters, The Finnish Academy of Sciences
and Letters, Hungarian Academy of Sciences, Russian Academy of Sciences,
Royal Society of Scotland, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, et al.
When all these guys (and a many more SCIENTIFIC organisations) tell us
that AGW is a "scam", then and only then, will I sit up and take notice.

I'll say again: Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt, George Pell and yourself, have
zero credibility as climatologists.

The one were most of the "credible" scientists in England who have been
associated with it for a number of years are now largely in hiding after
it was recently revealed that their modelling was wrong (and they knew
it) and that their principal objective was to scare the shit out of the
public to ensure continued funding.
**Really? Of are you just accepting some out of context words, from
people who have a financial gain in perpetuating the digging up of
fossil fuels?

Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock

Feel free to call me a laughing stock Trev. When you have people like
Bob Brown on your side I piss my pants all day long :)
**Make no mistake: Bob Brown is a politician. Bob Brown is NOT a
climatologist. I don't listen to Bob Brown. I listen to the scientists.
You listen to shock jocks. Wanna bet on who is right?

**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that preceeded
them.

If Abbott lives up to his promise of abolishing the Carbon Tax when he
takes office at the next election he'll be better than most.
**Abbott has promised to eliminate a tax that will cost the average
punter less than $0.30/week. His tax will extract taxpayer funds and
give it to large companies in the hope that they will spend it wisely.
Abbott's tax will increase the size of the public service by many
thousands. Taxes will rise to accomodate his increased spending.

You tell me why you think that Abbott's completely discredited scheme
makes any sense at all. Are you an economist too? All the economists
have stated that Abbott's scheme will be costly and doomed to failure,
whereas the government's scheme will be relatively modestly priced and
will work. In fact, the government's scheme will likely have less than
25% of the impact on the economy that GST did. Did the GST destroy the
Australian economy? Why would you imagine that a scheme which has a far
smaller effect than the GST will cause the Australian economy any
serious effects?

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On 12/4/2011 6:06 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/4/2011 3:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
The scam is unraveling!

**What "scam" would that be?

Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock


Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.

**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that preceeded
them.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

It appears that some of the predictions based on this peer reviewed
science may not be backed up by evidence and fact.
**Your inability to provide peer-reviewed science to back your claim is
duly noted. You know what you are.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On 12/5/2011 1:35 AM, kreed wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:17 pm, F Murtz<hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The scam is unraveling! Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.


Its wonderful to watch isnt it !


This filthy dirty lowlife Carbon tax / GW scam, Potentially probably
history's greatest ever theft of private property rights, theft of the
fruits of our own labor, and the removal of our right to travel, and
to even exist, or have future generations, not to mention the
corruption and total RAPE of the one time dignity and integrity of the
institution that is science, that (when not in evil hands) has done so
much for mankind and the world .
**What the fuck are you smoking? Where do you get this crap from? The
Alan Jones school of debate? It seems that in the abscence of science,
you resort to complete and utter bullshit. The facts are blindingly simple:

* The planet is warming at a faster rate than at any time in the last
600,000 years.
* Oil is running out. If we have not already hit 'peak oil', then we're
not far from it.
* At our present rate of use, the planet's resources will be depleted
within a few hundred years.


This scam was a huge hit to humanity itself and just about everything
it had achieved.
**What "scam"? Please present your peer-reviewed science to support your
notion of this alleged scam you refer to.


Its so good to see the tide turning, but the battle
is not over yet.
**Popular opinion is not scientific fact. It's just the opinion of a
bunch of people who don't have a clue. Much like yourself.


We need to see the scum behind it being shown to
cells and gallows for this crime against humanity.
**Why? Because they cite the facts? Yeah, that's the Catholic Church's
answer. Remember Gallileo. Never forget the ignorance of the masses and
the Catholic Church.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
Noddy wrote:
On 4/12/2011 4:57 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**What "scam" would that be?

The Global Warming one.

The one were most of the "credible" scientists in England who have
been associated with it for a number of years are now largely in
hiding after it was recently revealed that their modelling was wrong
(and they knew it) and that their principal objective was to scare
the shit out of the public to ensure continued funding.

Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock

Feel free to call me a laughing stock Trev. When you have people like
Bob Brown on your side I piss my pants all day long :)

**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that
preceeded them.

If Abbott lives up to his promise of abolishing the Carbon Tax when he
takes office at the next election he'll be better than most.
Oh dear, another one.
 
On 5/12/2011 6:56 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Really? Of are you just accepting some out of context words, from
people who have a financial gain in perpetuating the digging up of
fossil fuels?
Out of context? Jesus Trev....

The issue has become a *major* embarrassment for the IPCC, to the point
where it's now being called "Climategate".

**Make no mistake: Bob Brown is a politician. Bob Brown is NOT a
climatologist. I don't listen to Bob Brown. I listen to the scientists.
You listen to shock jocks. Wanna bet on who is right?
Your blind faith is absolutely staggering Trevor, and to the point where
it makes your criticism of religious fanatics look incredibly ironic.

**Abbott has promised to eliminate a tax that will cost the average
punter less than $0.30/week.
Absolute bullshit Trevor.

There is no way *anyone* can accurately predict the effects of such a
tax on the average Joe, as it will be some time *after* the scheme is up
and running that the true cost will become known.

Moreover, what largely remains *unknown* is what this new tax is going
to achieve. I mean, it's not just a case of introducing a tax just for
the sake of it, right? It's actually going towards *something* that will
make a difference to the environment, isn't it?

His tax will extract taxpayer funds and
give it to large companies in the hope that they will spend it wisely.
Abbott's tax will increase the size of the public service by many
thousands. Taxes will rise to accomodate his increased spending.
Uh-huh...

You tell me why you think that Abbott's completely discredited scheme
makes any sense at all. Are you an economist too? All the economists
have stated that Abbott's scheme will be costly and doomed to failure,
whereas the government's scheme will be relatively modestly priced and
will work.
Which economists would these people be?

I don't support either plan Trev, but all I've seen of Gillard's plan in
the mass media is universal condemnation from business groups, the
financial sector and the public at large. The general consensus seems to
be that the tax is *way* out of proportion to the environmental effects
that will be achieved (assuming for the sake of the argument that those
targets will actually be met).

The other unappealing point of the Gillard plan is that with those
polluting businesses who will be subject to the tax being allowed to
pass their increased costs onto the consumer there is absolutely *no*
incentive whatsoever for them to lift a finger to do anything about
cleaning up their acts. If that does indeed become the case, the net
result will be increased costs all round with no impact on the
environment at all.

Maybe you could explain to me how you see this as a *good* thing?

In fact, the government's scheme will likely have less than
25% of the impact on the economy that GST did. Did the GST destroy the
Australian economy?
Not really an accurate comparison Trev, as the GST was a streamlining of
an existing tax system. Not an across the board increase per se'. Under
the GST, some things actually got cheaper.

The Carbon Tax will just add cost to everything.

Why would you imagine that a scheme which has a far
smaller effect than the GST will cause the Australian economy any
serious effects?
"Serious effects" are your words, not mine.

I don't expect the impact will be huge, but I expect it will be largely
ineffective with the impact on the environment being so small it'd be
impossible to measure even if the plan works exactly as designed.

In other words, I think it'll be *very* poor value for money.



--
Regards,
Noddy.
 
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 06:56:16 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 12/4/2011 11:56 PM, Noddy wrote:
On 4/12/2011 4:57 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**What "scam" would that be?

The Global Warming one.

**Again: Citing Alan Jones as some kind of credible scientific source is
hardly appropriate. When the guys at CSIRO, NASA, The Australian Academy
of Science, the US National Academy of Science, the UK Met, The
Australian BoM, The French Academy of Science, the German Academy of
Science, Austrian Academy of Sciences, Royal Society of Canada, Royal
Danish Acadeny of Sciences and Letters, The Finnish Academy of Sciences
and Letters, Hungarian Academy of Sciences, Russian Academy of Sciences,
Royal Society of Scotland, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, et al.
When all these guys (and a many more SCIENTIFIC organisations) tell us
that AGW is a "scam", then and only then, will I sit up and take notice.

I'll say again: Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt, George Pell and yourself, have
zero credibility as climatologists.


The one were most of the "credible" scientists in England who have been
associated with it for a number of years are now largely in hiding after
it was recently revealed that their modelling was wrong (and they knew
it) and that their principal objective was to scare the shit out of the
public to ensure continued funding.

**Really? Of are you just accepting some out of context words, from
people who have a financial gain in perpetuating the digging up of
fossil fuels?


Don't forget your peer-reviewed science. Failure to present it will
result in you being called a laughing stock

Feel free to call me a laughing stock Trev. When you have people like
Bob Brown on your side I piss my pants all day long :)

**Make no mistake: Bob Brown is a politician. Bob Brown is NOT a
climatologist. I don't listen to Bob Brown. I listen to the scientists.
You listen to shock jocks. Wanna bet on who is right?


**Thanks to Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Bolt, et al, they already are.
Sadly, they're no better nor worse than any government that preceeded
them.

If Abbott lives up to his promise of abolishing the Carbon Tax when he
takes office at the next election he'll be better than most.

**Abbott has promised to eliminate a tax that will cost the average
punter less than $0.30/week. His tax will extract taxpayer funds and
give it to large companies in the hope that they will spend it wisely.
Abbott's tax will increase the size of the public service by many
thousands. Taxes will rise to accomodate his increased spending.

You tell me why you think that Abbott's completely discredited scheme
makes any sense at all. Are you an economist too? All the economists
have stated that Abbott's scheme will be costly and doomed to failure,
whereas the government's scheme will be relatively modestly priced and
will work.

Not that this will change you mind on any of this, but something worth
viewing nonetheless:
http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/episode/the-trouble-with-experts.html

Torrent:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6862823/CBC_Doc_Zone_The_Trouble_With_Experts_2011_HDTV_x264_AAC
http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2777785/005760348140/
 
kreed wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:17 pm, F Murtz <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The scam is unraveling! Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out
they may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint
ever.


Its wonderful to watch isnt it !


This filthy dirty lowlife Carbon tax / GW scam, Potentially probably
history's greatest ever theft of private property rights, theft of the
fruits of our own labor, and the removal of our right to travel, and
to even exist, or have future generations, not to mention the
corruption and total RAPE of the one time dignity and integrity of the
institution that is science, that (when not in evil hands) has done so
much for mankind and the world .

This scam was a huge hit to humanity itself and just about everything
it had achieved. Its so good to see the tide turning, but the battle
is not over yet. We need to see the scum behind it being shown to
cells and gallows for this crime against humanity.
The only thing amusing is watching fools like you trying to wish scientific
evidence away.

Climategate is nothing more than taking private comments completely out of
context and presenting them in deceptive ways.

You should really be questioning those who would do such things to the
detriment of mankind. Perhaps they are the ones with a hidden agenda and you
are just foolishly being used as a tool to benefit them.
 
"Noddy" wrote in message news:jbfqmo$tfn$1@dont-email.me...

On 4/12/2011 4:57 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

**What "scam" would that be?
If Abbott lives up to his promise of abolishing the Carbon Tax when he
takes office at the next election he'll be better than most.
======================================================================
The only word of truth here is "if". Let go of it Noddy, just for a change.
Fuck me, what a pair of tools, you and Abbott. Even his own predecessors in
the Tories are deserting themselves from his ridiculous statements. The one
he stabbed would get my vote, not this sanctimonious fuckwit.
DAVO
 
"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message news:9k24uoFoedU1@mid.individual.net...

On 12/5/2011 1:35 AM, kreed wrote:
On Dec 4, 2:17 pm, F Murtz<hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The scam is unraveling! Too late for the iniquitous tax, the gubmint
skulduggery is being unearthed bit by bit if they do not watch out they
may end up in history as the most ridiculed and hated Gubmint ever.


Its wonderful to watch isnt it !


This filthy dirty lowlife Carbon tax / GW scam, Potentially probably
history's greatest ever theft of private property rights, theft of the
fruits of our own labor, and the removal of our right to travel, and
to even exist, or have future generations, not to mention the
corruption and total RAPE of the one time dignity and integrity of the
institution that is science, that (when not in evil hands) has done so
much for mankind and the world .
**What the fuck are you smoking? Where do you get this crap from? The
Alan Jones school of debate? It seems that in the abscence of science,
you resort to complete and utter bullshit. The facts are blindingly simple:

* The planet is warming at a faster rate than at any time in the last
600,000 years.
* Oil is running out. If we have not already hit 'peak oil', then we're
not far from it.
* At our present rate of use, the planet's resources will be depleted
within a few hundred years.


This scam was a huge hit to humanity itself and just about everything
it had achieved.
**What "scam"? Please present your peer-reviewed science to support your
notion of this alleged scam you refer to.


Its so good to see the tide turning, but the battle
is not over yet.
**Popular opinion is not scientific fact. It's just the opinion of a
bunch of people who don't have a clue. Much like yourself.


We need to see the scum behind it being shown to
cells and gallows for this crime against humanity.
**Why? Because they cite the facts? Yeah, that's the Catholic Church's
answer. Remember Gallileo. Never forget the ignorance of the masses and
the Catholic Church.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
=================================================================
Post of 2012 Trev. Absolutely spot on in every respect mate.

Cheers
DAVO
 
On 5/12/2011 8:51 AM, Clocky wrote:

The only thing amusing is watching fools like you trying to wish scientific
evidence away.
Ah boy.... :)

Climategate is nothing more than taking private comments completely out of
context and presenting them in deceptive ways.
Uh-huh....

So, when Professor Phil Jones, head of the Climate Research unit at the
University of East Anglia stated in a 2004 email when talking about two
papers he regarded as flawed said:

"I can't see either being in the next Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change report.
Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow –
even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

He clearly *didn't* have an agenda and was being as honest and open as
he possibly could be. Right?

You should really be questioning those who would do such things to the
detriment of mankind. Perhaps they are the ones with a hidden agenda and you
are just foolishly being used as a tool to benefit them.
The problem with all you pro climate change nutbags is that for some
bizarre reason you believe that just because someone wears a white lab
coat and calls themselves a "scientist" that they are automatically a
person of the highest moral standard and couldn't *possibly* be acting
in their own self interest.

--
Regards,
Noddy.
 

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