OT: Gun Control in Virginia

[Rick C]

I was reading about the gun control legislation that is promised by the newly elected Democratic majority in Virginia. It seems this is angering a number of voters even if not enough to have controlled the election. There have been threats of violence and armed resistance to any new gun laws passed.

That is so illogical, the duly elected government, having run on a platform of enacting gun control in order to help reduce gun violence, is being threatened by those who oppose these laws with gun violence.

Yeah, that's why we have to have a government to do what we want done. Too many people believe they can get what they want by pointing guns at others.. What they want is all that matters.

Fortunately for the rest of us, it won't work that way. When the laws are passed they will be enforced and anyone refusing to abide by the laws will be punished according to law.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about gun control, but I sincerely believe that anyone threatening gun violence should never be allowed to have a gun again.

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[Jose Curvo]

On 01/11/2020 12:44 AM, Rick C wrote:

I was reading about the gun control legislation that is promised by
the newly elected Democratic majority in Virginia. It seems this is
angering a number of voters even if not enough to have controlled the
election. There have been threats of violence and armed resistance
to any new gun laws passed.

That is so illogical,

They're loons! People having little interest in owning guns are the only
ones who should be trusted with owning them.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 4:01:47 PM UTC-5, Jose Curvo wrote:

On 01/11/2020 12:44 AM, Rick C wrote:
I was reading about the gun control legislation that is promised by
the newly elected Democratic majority in Virginia. It seems this is
angering a number of voters even if not enough to have controlled the
election. There have been threats of violence and armed resistance
to any new gun laws passed.

That is so illogical,

They're loons! People having little interest in owning guns are the only
ones who should be trusted with owning them.

A good friend of mine used to have a number of guns, until he moved to a retirement community where they don't allow them. Now he has a few non-guns and a lot of other military collectibles. He is also a life member of the NRA. He can't abide by the NRA's position on bump stocks and silencers though. He is at a quandary as to the restrictions on magazine sizes. He laments that it won't be legal to own a collectable rifle and the clip that was used with it, like a WWI 1903 Springfield Rifle with a 5 round clip.

I feel his pain, but I won't take his stand against those who wish to protect our population against the threat of those who should not have weapons of mass shootings. There may be a way to compromise, but it is inevitable that we will have more restrictions on owning guns than we have today.

How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons today anyway? The pen is mightier than the sword. I guess you don't want to bring a pen to a gun fight though.

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[Jose Curvo]

On 01/11/2020 01:18 PM, Rick C wrote:

bump stocks and silencers... magazine sizes... weapons of mass
shootings. How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons
today anyway?

Those functional qualities, along with badass military styling that
gets wannabe superheros pumped up, feed a fantasy.

The Assault Rifle "look" alone should send up a red flag. Maybe nobody
can define what makes a rifle an assault rifle well enough to put
controls on them, but the appearance should be enough to tell anyone
that there's something wrong there.

I remember an article from 40 years ago about typical names
that the Japanese gave their domestic market cars - like Honeybee,
Fairlady - and Hornets and Stingrays marketed in America.
Everything has to be killer!

 

[mpm]

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 4:18:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
> How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons today anyway?

I totally disagree with you.

But I just wanted to mention that ALL guns are dangerous.
Superlatives don't matter when it comes to lethality.
You can't be more dead than dead.

This liberal concept of a "pro-life, warm and friendly" firearm just baffles me.
If something gets to the point where you have to defend your life with that kind of deadly force, then (to you) nothing else really matters, does it?

I also disagree that more (restrictive) gun ownership laws are inevitable.
We'll just have to see. The opposite is happening in many jurisdictions.

Some in the anti-gun crown vilify "assault rifles", but fail to..
You know what? Not even going to get into it.

As for government restrictions on firearms, I'm pretty much against most of them, mainly because they simply cannot achieve the objectives for which they were proposed.

Let's make places of worship "gun-free" zones. (Supposedly in the name of safety).
Gunman walks into church....

The whole discussion is pointless.
Every time there is a shooting that is hyped in the media or occurs close to home (no matter the weapon - which is almost never an AR-15, BTW), more and more people go out an purchase their first firearm.

And that's a fact.

So, like it or not...
Gun ownership tracks pretty well with how willing someone is to defend themselves (not attack..., defend) vs. what I consider to be a misplaced reliance on police (who have NO DUTY to defend or protect you). Recent history clearly shows the reliance choice to be a mistake! Rely on yourself - at least that's a known quantity.

As the old saying goes, I carry a gun because a policeman is just too heavy.. (And unfortunately, often enough, the gun is more reliable.)
With apologies to those in law enforcement who might not have hid behind squad cars while our kids were getting shot up in the school. (or, fill in the blank - plenty to choose from here).

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 9:08:57 PM UTC-5, Jose Curvo wrote:

On 01/11/2020 01:18 PM, Rick C wrote:

bump stocks and silencers... magazine sizes... weapons of mass
shootings. How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons
today anyway?

Those functional qualities, along with badass military styling that
gets wannabe superheros pumped up, feed a fantasy.

The Assault Rifle "look" alone should send up a red flag. Maybe nobody
can define what makes a rifle an assault rifle well enough to put
controls on them, but the appearance should be enough to tell anyone
that there's something wrong there.

I remember an article from 40 years ago about typical names
that the Japanese gave their domestic market cars - like Honeybee,
Fairlady - and Hornets and Stingrays marketed in America.
Everything has to be killer!

The US government passed an assault rifle law in the 90s. It was only temporary and after its 10 years had expired it was not renewed. The point is an assault rifle can be defined. The only thing lacking is the will to regulate it.

I would like to know more about how they regulate guns in other countries. I can't believe there isn't a way to prevent the wrong people from having guns and allowing responsible people to use them. I think no small part of the problem here is that people want to have no new laws because they fear it is a noose tightening around their proverbial gun owning necks. That may well happen some day that all guns are outlawed. But not providing for responsible gun ownership will just make that event even more likely.

If we get the problem under control it is less likely that even more restrictive controls will be enacted.

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[Rick C]

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 9:11:29 PM UTC-5, mpm wrote:

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 4:18:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons today anyway?

I totally disagree with you.

I won't get into the details of your post because I can see it is a losing argument. You seem to have made up your mind not only about how you feel about guns, but about how others feel about guns. You say you disagree with me, but don't indicate what I said that you disagree with!

Anyway, I don't oppose all guns. I'm not really that concerned about banning assault rifles. I just don't see any reason not to do it. Do you carry an assault rifle for protection??? Even if you have one in your home and you use it for home protection, it is likely to shoot right through your walls and kill someone out on the street!

Jim Jefferies has a really good comic bit on gun control in the US. While trying to be funny, he exposes the argument for owning guns to be a fraud other than "Fuck off, I like guns!" which is not an unreasonable justification. We just need to decide if we are going to allow people to own guns for that reason alone. He does a really good American accent, not over done, just real American. It's funny to hear him switch seamlessly.

So personally, I don't agree that, "Fuck off, I like guns!" is a good enough argument to allow anyone to have any gun they want. We have some gun control already. Some don't think it is good enough. Some think it is onerous. It's a tough problem.

In Virginia the newly elected legislature is going to enact more gun control. They ran on that ticket and for the first time in 26 years Democrats control the government. So clearly it is the will of the majority of the people.

We will see what they come up with.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 1:11:29 PM UTC+11, mpm wrote:

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 4:18:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons today anyway?

I totally disagree with you.

But I just wanted to mention that ALL guns are dangerous.
Superlatives don't matter when it comes to lethality.
You can't be more dead than dead.

This liberal concept of a "pro-life, warm and friendly" firearm just baffles me.
If something gets to the point where you have to defend your life with that kind of deadly force, then (to you) nothing else really matters, does it?

I also disagree that more (restrictive) gun ownership laws are inevitable..
We'll just have to see. The opposite is happening in many jurisdictions.

Some in the anti-gun crown vilify "assault rifles", but fail to..
You know what? Not even going to get into it.

As for government restrictions on firearms, I'm pretty much against most of them, mainly because they simply cannot achieve the objectives for which they were proposed.

Let's make places of worship "gun-free" zones. (Supposedly in the name of safety).
Gunman walks into church....

The whole discussion is pointless.
Every time there is a shooting that is hyped in the media or occurs close to home (no matter the weapon - which is almost never an AR-15, BTW), more and more people go out an purchase their first firearm.

And that's a fact.

A most unfortunate fact.

Places with effective gun control - like Australia - have very few mass shootings. There are plenty of licensed gun out in the community, but the system seems to stop murderous lunatics getting the kinds of guns they want.

The mosque shooting in New Zealand that was carried out by an Australian makes the point perfectly. He moved to New Zealand because their gun control rules were lax enough to let him get his hands on the kind of gun he wanted to use to shoot up a mosque. He killed some fifty people. He'd have been less effective with a less effective tool.

So, like it or not...
Gun ownership tracks pretty well with how willing someone is to defend themselves (not attack..., defend) vs. what I consider to be a misplaced reliance on police (who have NO DUTY to defend or protect you).

Recent history clearly shows the reliance choice to be a mistake! Rely on yourself - at least that's a known quantity.

For an optimist. If you own a gun. the person most likely to be killed by it is you, at your own hand. You my not have realised that you might fall into suicidal depression when you bought the gun, but that's the biggest single risk involved in buying one.

The risk of being killed by some other suicidal maniac is a lot lower, and where there are effective gun control laws, even lower still.

> As the old saying goes, I carry a gun because a policeman is just too heavy. (And unfortunately, often enough, the gun is more reliable.)

Sadly, you carry the gun because don't know the statistics.

> With apologies to those in law enforcement who might not have hid behind squad cars while our kids were getting shot up in the school. (or, fill in the blank - plenty to choose from here).

Law enforcement is rarely in the right place at the right time to stop a lunatic with gun before they kill a few bystanders.

Using law enforcement to stop the lunatic getting the gun in the first place is a lot more effective, even if it doesn't feed the kind of Hollywood-inspired fantasies that make you feel warm and secure when you put your life at risk.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[mpm]

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 10:44:15 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

I think you may have totally missed my point about all guns being LETHAL.
Which of course, is their entire reason to exist.
That is their purpose. It matters not how it is done, what you call it, or how it looks and feels.

Whether someone is killed with a .22 or 380 small caliber compact handgun, or a 338 Lapua Magnum precision, long-distance competition rifle, makes no difference. That person is still DEAD.

Anti-gunners want to ban entire "classes" of firearms based on features OTHER than the one that should really matter: How safe is the gun in the right hands, and does it do the job intended? Beyond that - you need to look at the person behind the gun, not the scary black plastic gun components or features.

You do know that the deadliest mass school shooting in America was committed with only HANDGUNS, right. Not "assault rifles".

And you know what, I don't even believe the entire field of "gun violence" is a big deal. It's actually been on the decline for decades, even as total gun ownership (as % of population), and total firearms in private ownership (raw #'s) has skyrocketed. And the population has grown significantly as well.
(That's another way to say if gun ownership were the problem, you'd KNOW IT! - There would be zero doubt.)

The TRUTH is the number of deaths appropriately attributed to gun violence is declining, and far less than a lot of other aspects in daily life: medical malpractice, texting and driving, assault other than with firearms (including someone's bare fists, BTW!).

Subtract suicides, police action, and gang-on-gang violence, and the numbers are even less demanding of a solution. Any solution. It's just not a big deal.

Of course, school & church shootings grab the headlines, and a public outcry ensues (Note: Both are "gun free zones" in many jurisdictions.) And everybody's got a solution - but none of them are proven to work (in fact, most are proven to NOT work), because they don't focus on the actual problem - the crazed, murdering individual. (who I guarantee you could care less about gun-free zone laws, and what color plastic the gun is made from.)

It truly is like outlawing spoons to prevent diabetes.
Maybe if we just outlaw the scary black plastic spoons?

Personally, I agree tweaks to the system could benefit all, but it's never going to happen when basic gun ownership in under attack. Give an inch, take a mile, sort of thing. For example, the current system relies upon felony record prohibition - practically guaranteeing that the "first time felon" will never be denied a weapon. And some felonies are not violent (i.e., white collar crime), and I'm not sure those should rise to the level of forever forfeiting one's 2A rights.

No. None of that matters.
For the typical anti-gunner, it's encroach, encroach, encroach, until the 2nd Amendment is meaningless, or so unworkable under a bewildering patchwork of laws as to be impossible to enjoy.

You can do what you want, and believe what you want.

But if you can imagine yourself in a really ugly life-and-death situation, say a violent felony assault against your person, would you rather have the means to defend yourself (and those you love), or do you think you could negotiate a "time-out" with your attacker to allow enough time to call "911", and then wait for the police to arrive? (who may or may not help)

In reality, the tens of millions of citizens who carry a firearm daily will never find themselves in situations where deadly force against an attacker will be needed. But you never know. Watch the nightly news - bad thing happen even in the best of neighborhoods. (BTW: Something to consider - when you're carrying, you actually go out of your way to avoid confrontation. Your attitude changes. Even if you're in the right to pull a weapon in self-defense, that's not going to stop the subsequent, expensive legal process, or civil lawsuits. But it's something that often gets overlooked until it hits home. Responsible gun owners don't go looking for trouble.)

The problem is sick individuals.
No amount of regulation on law-abiding citizens is ever going to fix that.

And as far as Virginia - we'll see. I wouldn't read too much into it.
It could just as easily be explained by conservatives (Republicans) kicking themselves not getting out the vote, especially in a midterm election - happens all the time. We might see a backlash, 180 turnaround next election, or people flocking to the gun stores for their first time purchases.

 

[mpm]

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 10:55:08 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

Yawn...
I just can't go through it with you again, Bill.

The sad fact is you will never understand until it is too late.
I sincerely hope that day never comes for you.

On another note: How are those wildfires down there?
Far from home, I hope!!

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 3:32:58 PM UTC+11, mpm wrote:

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 10:55:08 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:

Yawn...
I just can't go through it with you again, Bill.

That would require you to think, and you prefer to let NRA do your thinking for you. The people who fund the NRA make their money by selling lots of guns, and that does influence the message they propagate

The sad fact is you will never understand until it is too late.

I sincerely hope that day never comes for you.

Your sincere hope is that some lunatic comes after me with a gun?

Much less likely in Australia, which does have effective gun control.

On another note: How are those wildfires down there?
Far from home, I hope!!

I live close to the centre of Sydney. At one point one of the main highways out of Sydney was shut at the turn-off after the one that my wife takes to get to her work, but that's the closest they've come to us. The smoke is another matter. It has cleared in the past few hours and we can now see the other side of Sydney harbour out of living room window. On the worst day so far - back in November - we couldn't even see the near side of the harbour (Wooloomooloo Wharf).

That made the air quality worse than Peking's.

The fires are nowhere near as far from home as we'd like. Quite how the local vegetation is going to adapt is an interesting question, and it may take quite a lot of work to get it to adapt in a way that makes it less inflammable in the current climate.

A prolonged drought isn't exactly climate - the Indian Ocean dipole flips between two states, and we get drought in one of them - but global warming seems to be shifting the time it spends in each state towards longer dry periods.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:28:55 PM UTC-5, mpm wrote:

I think you may have totally missed my point about all guns being LETHAL.

Again, your arguments are flat because they literally ignore my point. My point is there is no reason to allow people to have guns other than "Fuck off, I like guns!". All the self protection crap is just that, crap.

You construct many arguments against things I never said. So clearly this is an argument you are having in your own head.

The bottom line is owning a gun makes you less safe, not more safe. I don't imagine myself being in a life or death situation from a violent attacker and needing a gun to save me, because the likelihood of that happening is minuscule. We have a larger chance of dying in an automobile. And yet many people give that short shrift in their life. But the idea of not having a gun if it were ever needed terrifies them.

As to the election, again you ignore the facts. Virginia has had a Republican government for 26 years! The Democrats made a campaign issue of gun control and won. What could be more clear than that??? How about a referendum?

What I was really writing about is how some people are literally crazy enough about gun control to threaten violence or swear they will obstruct or ignore the laws if passed.

That's anarchy. You said the problem is "sick individuals". I agree. And those sick individuals will be locked up if they don't obey the law.

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[Robert Baer]

Rick C wrote:

I was reading about the gun control legislation that is promised by the newly elected Democratic majority in Virginia. It seems this is angering a number of voters even if not enough to have controlled the election. There have been threats of violence and armed resistance to any new gun laws passed.

That is so illogical, the duly elected government, having run on a platform of enacting gun control in order to help reduce gun violence, is being threatened by those who oppose these laws with gun violence.

Yeah, that's why we have to have a government to do what we want done. Too many people believe they can get what they want by pointing guns at others. What they want is all that matters.

Fortunately for the rest of us, it won't work that way. When the laws are passed they will be enforced and anyone refusing to abide by the laws will be punished according to law.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about gun control, but I sincerely believe that anyone threatening gun violence should never be allowed to have a gun again.

In practice, gun control laws do not work.
Anybody can get a gun, most especially illegal, most especially
criminals.
A gun has one function: kill.

 

[Rick C]

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 12:36:11 AM UTC-5, Robert Baer wrote:

Rick C wrote:
I was reading about the gun control legislation that is promised by the newly elected Democratic majority in Virginia. It seems this is angering a number of voters even if not enough to have controlled the election. There have been threats of violence and armed resistance to any new gun laws passed.

That is so illogical, the duly elected government, having run on a platform of enacting gun control in order to help reduce gun violence, is being threatened by those who oppose these laws with gun violence.

Yeah, that's why we have to have a government to do what we want done. Too many people believe they can get what they want by pointing guns at others. What they want is all that matters.

Fortunately for the rest of us, it won't work that way. When the laws are passed they will be enforced and anyone refusing to abide by the laws will be punished according to law.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about gun control, but I sincerely believe that anyone threatening gun violence should never be allowed to have a gun again.

In practice, gun control laws do not work.
Anybody can get a gun, most especially illegal, most especially
criminals.
A gun has one function: kill.

The present arrangement doesn't seem to be going very well. I don't think the data supports your point. The US has some of the highest gun death rates in the world, right up there with out central and south American neighbors. Our Canadian neighbor has much more restrictive gun laws and have less than a quarter our homicide rate. Other countries like the UK and Australia with stiffer gun control laws have much, much lower homicide rates.

No, not anybody would be able to get a gun legally if they were more restricted. Not just anyone can get a gun now... not legally. If you don't think making something illegal makes it harder to get your hands on, should we make all drugs legal to buy and possess? Should radioactive materials be legal to buy and own? Clearly it is much harder to get things that are illegal even if they are still available.

I think Jim Jefferies said the Bushmaster gun that the shooter was going to use in Sandy Hook was $1,000 delivered to your door. In Australia it is $34,000 on the black market!!! Yeah, I think that reduces how many will be sold illegally.

In practice gun control laws do work even if it's not 100%. Do laws against bank robbery work 100%, no. But it's still illegal.

Yes, a gun has one function, to kill. So why do we need so many of them?

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Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
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Rick C wrote:
I was reading about the gun control legislation that is promised
by the newly elected Democratic majority in Virginia. It seems
this is angering a number of voters even if not enough to have
controlled the election. There have been threats of violence and
armed resistance to any new gun laws passed.

That is so illogical, the duly elected government, having run on
a platform of enacting gun control in order to help reduce gun
violence, is being threatened by those who oppose these laws with
gun violence.

Yeah, that's why we have to have a government to do what we want
done. Too many people believe they can get what they want by
pointing guns at others. What they want is all that matters.

Fortunately for the rest of us, it won't work that way. When the
laws are passed they will be enforced and anyone refusing to
abide by the laws will be punished according to law.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about gun
control, but I sincerely believe that anyone threatening gun
violence should never be allowed to have a gun again.

In practice, gun control laws do not work.
Anybody can get a gun, most especially illegal, most especially
criminals.
A gun has one function: kill.

I can provide cover...

I can do damage to assets...

I could shoot you in the temple, and you could end up like Ambrose
Bierce.

Lots more uses than just killin'.

A charged up but not connected HV cap has only one use, but I could
toss it to you and another use would magically appear.

 

[Jose Curvo]

On 01/11/2020 06:11 PM, mpm wrote:

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 4:18:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons today anyway?

I totally disagree with you.

But I just wanted to mention that ALL guns are dangerous.

<blink> I got it! Embedded Linux and AI for the next generation gun.
Cloud connected.

 

Jose Curvo <jcurvo@mymail.com> wrote in
news:qveg98$1ipn$1@gioia.aioe.org:

On 01/11/2020 06:11 PM, mpm wrote:
On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 4:18:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons today
anyway?

I totally disagree with you.

But I just wanted to mention that ALL guns are dangerous.

blink> I got it! Embedded Linux and AI for the next generation
gun. Cloud connected.

Only fires if the targeted person 'deserves' it.

Uses the same database they use for deciding if you can have a gun
or not.

 

Jose Curvo <jcurvo@mymail.com> wrote in
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On 01/11/2020 06:11 PM, mpm wrote:
On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 4:18:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:
How important can it be to have such dangerous weapons today
anyway?

I totally disagree with you.

But I just wanted to mention that ALL guns are dangerous.

blink> I got it! Embedded Linux and AI for the next generation
gun. Cloud connected.

Don't use any jackscrews or atitude sensors.

 

You think the second amendment is negotiable.

Come for my guns and you will get them - lead first and I can kill 27 before reloading.

Here's a question that will shut you gun grabbing motherfuckers up until you get your next influx of stupidity.

Guns kill people right ?

Well i Chicago they were bitching that people wet top other surrounding cities to but guns ad brought them back and shot people, therefore guns are the problem.

Well dickheads, HOW COME THOSE SURROUNDING CITIES DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SHOOTINGS ? Guns are readily available there and they do not have a problem with shootings. Neither does Arizona which has constitutional carry which means no license, concealed or not. The place would be a bloodbath if that shit was so.

People point to Europe, UK whatever but it can work there because it has been so long they have been at the mercy of those physically stronger with no guns, that there are practically no guns available. Plus they are so emasculated now they will let some thug break in their house, take whatever the want and rape their daughter. REAL Brits are no doubt rolling over in their graves. The sun never set, hell now the sun never rises.

Ghandi, GHANDI said the worst day was when the British took their guns.

You want to take my gun so I can't defend myself against you and your fucking mob. Or your "refugees" who are really terrorists. You think those countries are giving us their doctors, engineers n shit ? Fuck no,they are emptying out their jails. And not good folk who just happen to disagree with the regime, they keep those so they can't get access to the western media. They want rid of the thieves and rapists n shit.

You fucking idiot liberals want to let in all these criminals from other countries and take our guns away ?

You got another thing coming.

I, and many other will defend our gun rights with guns. I can kill 27 before reloading.

Molon labe.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 4:36:11 PM UTC+11, Robert Baer wrote:

Rick C wrote:
I was reading about the gun control legislation that is promised by the newly elected Democratic majority in Virginia. It seems this is angering a number of voters even if not enough to have controlled the election. There have been threats of violence and armed resistance to any new gun laws passed.

That is so illogical, the duly elected government, having run on a platform of enacting gun control in order to help reduce gun violence, is being threatened by those who oppose these laws with gun violence.

Yeah, that's why we have to have a government to do what we want done. Too many people believe they can get what they want by pointing guns at others. What they want is all that matters.

Fortunately for the rest of us, it won't work that way. When the laws are passed they will be enforced and anyone refusing to abide by the laws will be punished according to law.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about gun control, but I sincerely believe that anyone threatening gun violence should never be allowed to have a gun again.

In practice, gun control laws do not work.

Real gun control laws work well in every advanced industrial country other than the USA. In the US people cross the borders between individual states carrying guns they've bought in less restrictive states so there don't work too well there.

Anybody can get a gun, most especially illegal, most especially
criminals.

It isn't all that easy, and making people get a licenses before they can legally own a gun does reduce gun crime quite dramatically. It doesn't eliminate it, but it makes it a great deal less frequent.

> A gun has one function: kill.

But it has a lot of uses, and comforting right-wing lunatics with the idea that they could use to kill somebody who threatened them isn't a particularly useful one.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney