OT Geography Q (Middle East)

  • Thread starter Rich The Philosophizer
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Le Chaud Lapin wrote:

<snip kneejerk bullshit>

The vast majority of people on this planet are still animal to a
certain extent. They are mainly concerned about their own asses. The
formulation of any policy, no matter how well intended in the
beginning, somehow results in someone getting screwed, and that
someone is generally not the entity instituting the policy. The
British, Belgians, Germans, and French were experts at this. Every now
and then they would rape some part of Africa, then justify it with
100-page documents. The Italians tried the same thing, and got their
asses kicked, fortunately, in Eritrea and Ethiopia. The Germans on
the other hand did not. Though they had no business in Namibia, they
waged a "successful" campaign killing almost 20,000 in under a few
weeks.
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Now you're starting to show some sense, except it's
entirely Euro-bashing. If you knew a little more history,
you'd know it's nothing new. Got one of those Bibles with
the pretty colored maps that cover a couple thousand years
of local population sloshing? Are you even faintly aware of
the ongoing "ethnic cleansing" in most of Africa?

Look at the continent of Africa. It's a this huge black mass, with
bunch of small white dots, conveniently located in places of high
altitude with moderate climates and/or billions of dollars in gold and
diamonds, and oil.
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Yeah, so? The locals haven't done anything with them for
a very long time. Ever wonder where King Solomon's "mines"
were located? Ever wonder how they got _cut_ gemstones out
of them?

Now could you imagine the U.S.A. taking the side of Palestine:

"No, we do not recognize the infiltration of preoccupied territory by
foreign agents who usurp control of the territory then attempt to
legitimize the usurpation by laws written for them, executed by them,
in favor of them, without regard to the detriment of the occupants."

No, if the U.S.A. ever made a statement like that, it would sound too
much like Europeans coming in to overtake Native Americans.
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What Native Americans? They're all immigrants, just from
longer ago than the Europeans.

I know I will do my part. I do not believe in hate, but until I
detect that those who oppress others have learned genuine, deep-rooted
empathy, I will never let them forget what their ancestors did.
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How about your ancestors?

Hypocrites.
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At least you didn't call for all "racial" groups to move
back to their "homelands". That would require packing all
six billion or so of us into Olduvai Gorge.

Mark L. Fergerson
 
Tim Wescott wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

I was looking at the map, actually it was prompted by somebody
saying they wanted to nuke the area back to magma, and I noticed
something curious: Where do those "Palestinian" folks live? I
had thought that there was a whole nother country over there:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/middle_east_pol_2003.jpg


Thanks,
Rich

Boy, you've been sleeping, haven't you. They live all over, but mostly
in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan, Lebannon, and New York City.

"Palestine" was the name for the area now known as "Israel". It was
partitioned, by UN mandate, in 1948 into a jewish section and a
palestinian section. The Palestinians (and indeed the entire arab
world) didn't want to recognize the right for Israel to exist, so they
fought and lost, and lost again in 1967, and again in the early 70's, etc.
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I have a World Atlas and Gazetteer from 1929 that
mentions that part of the world being "readied" for that use
even then.

Surely you can find a history of all this by doing a bit of web
searching! That area has a rich and bloody history, going back as far
as anybody was writing stuff down.
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Much longer than that, if oral traditions are to be believed.

Paying attention to it clears up a
_lot_ about what's going on, and why there are no simple answers.
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Regardless of how badly certain loudmouths want to
pretend there are.

Mark L. Fergerson
 
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:15:59 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:59:03 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:


On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:49:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


[snip]

Isn't it stunning how absolutely IGNORANT Burridge is? "...some dump
like Wyoming, where no one lives and no one would want to live."

If he keeps it up he'll become a household word, "Burridge, a unit of
measure for ignorance" ;-)

...Jim Thompson


We'd have to use uB's (MicroBurridges) as practical units.

John


Sno-o-o-o-o-rt! ROTFLMAO!

...Jim Thompson

Ditto. Delightfully witty, Gentlemen. What state should he have
suggested - North Dakota? (ISTR thats the most popular state to leave)

Cheers
Terry
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How about Austria? That sounds fair.

John
 
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:49:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:39:56 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:16:33 +0000, Paul Burridge
pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

I've never understood
why a safe homeland for the Jews wasn't set up in some dump like
Wyoming, where no one lives and no one would want to live. Okay, so it
would have upset a few injuns, but when did the US ever GaS about the
likes of them?


Even been to Wyoming? It's stunningly beautiful.

But the Jews that came to the US mostly preferred the cities.

John

Isn't it stunning how absolutely IGNORANT Burridge is? "...some dump
like Wyoming, where no one lives and no one would want to live."

If he keeps it up he'll become a household word, "Burridge, a unit of
measure for ignorance" ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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We'd have to use uB's (MicroBurridges) as practical units.

John
 
In article <J%djd.4520$op3.171596@news.xtra.co.nz>,
Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org> wrote:

Tim Wescott wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

I was looking at the map, actually it was prompted by somebody
saying they wanted to nuke the area back to magma, and I noticed
something curious: Where do those "Palestinian" folks live? I
had thought that there was a whole nother country over there:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/middle_east_pol_2003.jp
g


Thanks,
Rich

Boy, you've been sleeping, haven't you. They live all over, but mostly
in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan, Lebannon, and New York City.

"Palestine" was the name for the area now known as "Israel". It was
partitioned, by UN mandate, in 1948 into a jewish section and a
palestinian section. The Palestinians (and indeed the entire arab
world) didn't want to recognize the right for Israel to exist, so they
fought and lost, and lost again in 1967, and again in the early 70's, etc.

Surely you can find a history of all this by doing a bit of web
searching! That area has a rich and bloody history, going back as far
as anybody was writing stuff down. Paying attention to it clears up a
_lot_ about what's going on, and why there are no simple answers.


I recommend "The oxford history of the biblical world", its a
fascinating read and covers about 4,000 years.

Cheers
Terry
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Also highly recommended is Larry Gonick's "Cartoon History of the
Universe, Volume 3", which gives a lot of background on the Middle East.
Admittedly, it ends around the time of the Crusades...
 
John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:15:59 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:59:03 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:



On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:49:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


[snip]


Isn't it stunning how absolutely IGNORANT Burridge is? "...some dump
like Wyoming, where no one lives and no one would want to live."

If he keeps it up he'll become a household word, "Burridge, a unit of
measure for ignorance" ;-)

...Jim Thompson


We'd have to use uB's (MicroBurridges) as practical units.

John


Sno-o-o-o-o-rt! ROTFLMAO!

...Jim Thompson

Ditto. Delightfully witty, Gentlemen. What state should he have
suggested - North Dakota? (ISTR thats the most popular state to leave)

Cheers
Terry



How about Austria? That sounds fair.

John
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Only if they promise to stamp out Oompah bands. But the 2-litre jugs of
beer (lowenbrau?) are pretty good :)

Cheers
Terry
 
In article <10oqo3inrg5j865@corp.supernews.com>,
Tim Wescott <tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> writes:
Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

I was looking at the map, actually it was prompted by somebody
saying they wanted to nuke the area back to magma, and I noticed
something curious: Where do those "Palestinian" folks live? I
had thought that there was a whole nother country over there:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/middle_east_pol_2003.jpg

Thanks,
Rich

Boy, you've been sleeping, haven't you. They live all over, but mostly
in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan, Lebannon, and New York City.

"Palestine" was the name for the area now known as "Israel". It was
partitioned, by UN mandate, in 1948 into a jewish section and a
palestinian section. The Palestinians (and indeed the entire arab
world) didn't want to recognize the right for Israel to exist, so they
fought and lost, and lost again in 1967, and again in the early 70's, etc.

AFAIR, Palestine has never been an entity. For practical purposes,
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using the term 'a palestinian' would be equivalent to 'a valley girl.'
If the 'palestinians' ever want to accept a dual-state solution, then
there will (hopefully) eventually be a palestinian state.
(Actually, a 'palestinian' has more definition than a 'valley girl', but
I was using the analogy as an example, perhaps exaggerated.)

John
 
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