OT: FICO Credit Score and Covid-19

On 4/14/2020 1:38 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:03:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

The cheapest one-story two-bedroom detached single-family home in my
town up for sale atm is listed for $389,000

You can still get an "attached" house (sort of a town house, I guess)
on a 24-foot-wide lot here, in a mediocre neighborhood, for under a
million dollars. See Zillow. Some 1br condos can be had for under a
megabuck too. There are lots of 2 and 4M houses in our neighborhood.
Good thing we bought 30 years ago, before the google busses.

But apartments are crazy expensive too. I think a lot of newcomers
have high incomes and spend it all on housing. But they are mostly
having fun, so it's OK while they are still young.

My girlfriend rents a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath/kitchen/dining room apt,
two-car driveway, basically the whole bottom floor of a 1920s 3-story
Victorian-style home 1 mile from downtown Providence RI for 1k/month
utilities included.

Light industrial space is $4-6 per square ft/year I'm thinking about
setting up my lab down there it's too big for my home, now
 
On 4/14/2020 2:16 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/14/2020 1:38 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:03:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will
deal with this Coronavirus pandemic.  Does anybody here believe
strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if
anything, it should have gone UP.  I just made the last payment
on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump
the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in
life.)  And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards
(which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I
wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.)
Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash
via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances
figures into FICO?).  Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not
dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be
a bit of a scam?  Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I
wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret?  I mean, if FICO was worried
about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model,
right?  Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and
companies extending credit to customers?  And BTW, I realize
there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used
for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring?  :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their
income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

The cheapest one-story two-bedroom detached single-family home in my
town up for sale atm is listed for $389,000

You can still get an "attached" house (sort of a town house, I guess)
on a 24-foot-wide lot here, in a mediocre neighborhood, for under a
million dollars. See Zillow. Some 1br condos can be had for under a
megabuck too. There are lots of 2 and 4M houses in our neighborhood.
Good thing we bought 30 years ago, before the google busses.

But apartments are crazy expensive too. I think a lot of newcomers
have high incomes and spend it all on housing. But they are mostly
having fun, so it's OK while they are still young.



My girlfriend rents a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath/kitchen/dining room apt,
two-car driveway, basically the whole bottom floor of a 1920s 3-story
Victorian-style home 1 mile from downtown Providence RI for 1k/month
utilities included.

Light industrial space is $4-6 per square ft/year I'm thinking about
setting up my lab down there it's too big for my home, now
Many areas of downtown haven't changed much since 1920 either parts of
it are like stepping back in time 100 years. You can even get a washer
from someplace that isn't a big-box retailer

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On 4/14/2020 12:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:42:29 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 4/14/2020 11:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.


So they never pay the principal?

No, at the end they skipped a few months of interest-only mortgage
payments, then walked.

I don't get it. Interest only means you are just paying rent. You have
no equity, no ownership. Why not just call it rent?

The owner of the loan should go to court to recover their skipped
payments. And you call these friends? Shame on you all.
 
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 20.28.05 UTC+2 skrev John S:
On 4/14/2020 12:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:42:29 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 4/14/2020 11:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.


So they never pay the principal?

No, at the end they skipped a few months of interest-only mortgage
payments, then walked.


I don't get it. Interest only means you are just paying rent. You have
no equity, no ownership. Why not just call it rent?

you "own" it, if it increases in value you can sell it, pay off the loan and pocket the difference tax free

What they did was refinance as property values increased, and spent
the money. Renters can't do that.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 20.28.05 UTC+2 skrev John S:
On 4/14/2020 12:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:42:29 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 4/14/2020 11:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.


So they never pay the principal?

No, at the end they skipped a few months of interest-only mortgage
payments, then walked.


I don't get it. Interest only means you are just paying rent. You have
no equity, no ownership. Why not just call it rent?

you "own" it, if it increases in value you can sell it, pay off the loan and pocket the difference tax free
 
On 4/14/2020 1:23 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 19.03.08 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

perfect, so you can just buy it and rent it to yourself and invest the
money you save on rent ....

Do you got 400 grand in cash sitting around? Sadly I do not
 
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:28:58 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
wrote:

On 4/14/2020 12:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:42:29 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 4/14/2020 11:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.


So they never pay the principal?

No, at the end they skipped a few months of interest-only mortgage
payments, then walked.


I don't get it. Interest only means you are just paying rent. You have
no equity, no ownership. Why not just call it rent?

Because they legally owned the house, and the agreement with the bank
was legally a mortgage.

The owner of the loan should go to court to recover their skipped
payments.

They couldn't under US law.

>And you call these friends? Shame on you all.

We pay all our bills immediately. All our mortgages are paid off. We
buy cars for cash.

She was a co-worker with my wife. He was a technical connection. Kind
of a coincidence that we were all connected. We were never invited to
audit their personal finances too see if they were worthy of our
acquaintance. Do you require financial statements from your friends?

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:16:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 1:38 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:03:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

The cheapest one-story two-bedroom detached single-family home in my
town up for sale atm is listed for $389,000

You can still get an "attached" house (sort of a town house, I guess)
on a 24-foot-wide lot here, in a mediocre neighborhood, for under a
million dollars. See Zillow. Some 1br condos can be had for under a
megabuck too. There are lots of 2 and 4M houses in our neighborhood.
Good thing we bought 30 years ago, before the google busses.

But apartments are crazy expensive too. I think a lot of newcomers
have high incomes and spend it all on housing. But they are mostly
having fun, so it's OK while they are still young.



My girlfriend rents a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath/kitchen/dining room apt,
two-car driveway, basically the whole bottom floor of a 1920s 3-story
Victorian-style home 1 mile from downtown Providence RI for 1k/month
utilities included.

When I moved to SF, I found a flat in 20 minutes, for $315 a month.
That same flat probably rents for about $5K now.

Light industrial space is $4-6 per square ft/year I'm thinking about
setting up my lab down there it's too big for my home, now

Tech concentrates its employment in dense, expensive places and then
multiplies the cost to live there. Startups raise zillions and open
their offices in SF or Silicon Valley, and steal employees or over-pay
people to move here.

I don't really understand that. They must think that the mystique of
the location, or the quality of the labor pool, is somehow worth it.

There is a mini-SV in Grass Valley, sort of a more sensible place to
live and work, to me. It was seeded by The Grass Valley Group,
acquired by Tektronix.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 22.22.57 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 4:07 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 21.29.33 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 1:23 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 19.03.08 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

perfect, so you can just buy it and rent it to yourself and invest the
money you save on rent ....



Do you got 400 grand in cash sitting around? Sadly I do not

maybe I should have added an /s

do you think someone with 400K would buy a house and rent to you for
less than the mortgage you'd have to pay to borrow the money to buy
that house?


I'm talking about renting an apartment not a whole house!

so replace house with apartment in the above
 
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:13:14 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 20.28.05 UTC+2 skrev John S:
On 4/14/2020 12:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:42:29 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 4/14/2020 11:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.


So they never pay the principal?

No, at the end they skipped a few months of interest-only mortgage
payments, then walked.


I don't get it. Interest only means you are just paying rent. You have
no equity, no ownership. Why not just call it rent?

you "own" it, if it increases in value you can sell it, pay off the loan and pocket the difference tax free

Not tax free after you walk away from the loan. At that point it's income. :)

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:08:01 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 21.29.33 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 1:23 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 19.03.08 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

perfect, so you can just buy it and rent it to yourself and invest the
money you save on rent ....



Do you got 400 grand in cash sitting around? Sadly I do not

maybe I should have added an /s

do you think someone with 400K would buy a house and rent to you for
less than the mortgage you'd have to pay to borrow the money to buy
that house?

Happens all the time! If it were the other way around, renting for more than the mortgage why would anyone rent rather than buy???

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:42:19 PM UTC-4, John S wrote:
On 4/14/2020 11:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket..
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.


So they never pay the principal?

Kinda like leasing with no end date. At least the payments are fixed. Rent isn't so kind.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On 4/14/2020 4:07 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 21.29.33 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 1:23 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 19.03.08 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

perfect, so you can just buy it and rent it to yourself and invest the
money you save on rent ....



Do you got 400 grand in cash sitting around? Sadly I do not

maybe I should have added an /s

do you think someone with 400K would buy a house and rent to you for
less than the mortgage you'd have to pay to borrow the money to buy
that house?

I'm talking about renting an apartment not a whole house!
 
On 4/14/2020 3:55 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:16:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 1:38 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:03:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

The cheapest one-story two-bedroom detached single-family home in my
town up for sale atm is listed for $389,000

You can still get an "attached" house (sort of a town house, I guess)
on a 24-foot-wide lot here, in a mediocre neighborhood, for under a
million dollars. See Zillow. Some 1br condos can be had for under a
megabuck too. There are lots of 2 and 4M houses in our neighborhood.
Good thing we bought 30 years ago, before the google busses.

But apartments are crazy expensive too. I think a lot of newcomers
have high incomes and spend it all on housing. But they are mostly
having fun, so it's OK while they are still young.



My girlfriend rents a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath/kitchen/dining room apt,
two-car driveway, basically the whole bottom floor of a 1920s 3-story
Victorian-style home 1 mile from downtown Providence RI for 1k/month
utilities included.

When I moved to SF, I found a flat in 20 minutes, for $315 a month.
That same flat probably rents for about $5K now.


Light industrial space is $4-6 per square ft/year I'm thinking about
setting up my lab down there it's too big for my home, now

Tech concentrates its employment in dense, expensive places and then
multiplies the cost to live there. Startups raise zillions and open
their offices in SF or Silicon Valley, and steal employees or over-pay
people to move here.

I don't really understand that. They must think that the mystique of
the location, or the quality of the labor pool, is somehow worth it.

There is a mini-SV in Grass Valley, sort of a more sensible place to
live and work, to me. It was seeded by The Grass Valley Group,
acquired by Tektronix.

The New England hardware-hi-tech-industry mostly fled west after the
80s; back in the day though everyone knew someone who worked for DEC or
Wang they employed about 100k people between them. We used to use DEC's
binders for Dungeons & Dragons material as kids in the early 90s
someone's mom got a hold of like 50 of them they were free for the asking.

There is still a large tech industry but mostly biotech like those
numbskulls at Biogen who are responsible for a good number of C-19 cases
here.

There are a smattering of electronics/electrical engineering firms that
remain like e.g. Analog Devices. Lots of aerospace/defense firms in MA
and RI too.
 
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 21.42.08 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 20.28.05 UTC+2 skrev John S:
On 4/14/2020 12:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:42:29 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org
wrote:

On 4/14/2020 11:30 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.


So they never pay the principal?

No, at the end they skipped a few months of interest-only mortgage
payments, then walked.


I don't get it. Interest only means you are just paying rent. You have
no equity, no ownership. Why not just call it rent?

you "own" it, if it increases in value you can sell it, pay off the loan and pocket the difference tax free


What they did was refinance as property values increased, and spent
the money. Renters can't do that.

exactly
 
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 21.29.33 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 1:23 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 19.03.08 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

perfect, so you can just buy it and rent it to yourself and invest the
money you save on rent ....



Do you got 400 grand in cash sitting around? Sadly I do not

maybe I should have added an /s

do you think someone with 400K would buy a house and rent to you for
less than the mortgage you'd have to pay to borrow the money to buy
that house?
 
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 22.30.44 UTC+2 skrev Ricky C:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:08:01 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 21.29.33 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 1:23 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 19.03.08 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

perfect, so you can just buy it and rent it to yourself and invest the
money you save on rent ....



Do you got 400 grand in cash sitting around? Sadly I do not

maybe I should have added an /s

do you think someone with 400K would buy a house and rent to you for
less than the mortgage you'd have to pay to borrow the money to buy
that house?

Happens all the time! If it were the other way around, renting for more than the mortgage why would anyone rent rather than buy???

they don't qualify for a loan, don't have a down payment, they don't have to
do maintenance, they want to be able to move with short notice, etc...
 
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:48:05 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 22.30.44 UTC+2 skrev Ricky C:
On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:08:01 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 21.29.33 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 1:23 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 14. april 2020 kl. 19.03.08 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

perfect, so you can just buy it and rent it to yourself and invest the
money you save on rent ....



Do you got 400 grand in cash sitting around? Sadly I do not

maybe I should have added an /s

do you think someone with 400K would buy a house and rent to you for
less than the mortgage you'd have to pay to borrow the money to buy
that house?

Happens all the time! If it were the other way around, renting for more than the mortgage why would anyone rent rather than buy???


they don't qualify for a loan, don't have a down payment, they don't have to
do maintenance, they want to be able to move with short notice, etc...

If they don't qualify for a loan, they won't qualify for renting. It's not easy to get into a place these days with credit and background checks... worse than a loan in some respects. The down payment is not hard to get by many methods. I've been the source of a down payment any number of times. You can't rent many places and leave without much notice. Most require you to renew the year lease. Not many people will pay more to rent just to save on a plumbing bill once in a decade. You can buy a condo and be responsible for very little.

Mortgages are typically more expensive than rent. The landlord is leveraging the rent income to offset the mortgage payments while the property appreciates and rents rise. Just like home ownership it is not common that buying a rental property pays off in the first year.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:11:59 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 3:55 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:16:16 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 1:38 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:03:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/14/2020 12:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.



In cities like Boston, NYC, Toronto, and San Fran I suppose renting can
be a money-win as compared to paying the high prices and high property
taxes on a home. you can invest the money you save vs. a mortgage into
something paying better returns than the real-estate market where you
pay for the profits of all the people ahead of you in line who already
made out on the hustle years ago.

The cheapest one-story two-bedroom detached single-family home in my
town up for sale atm is listed for $389,000

You can still get an "attached" house (sort of a town house, I guess)
on a 24-foot-wide lot here, in a mediocre neighborhood, for under a
million dollars. See Zillow. Some 1br condos can be had for under a
megabuck too. There are lots of 2 and 4M houses in our neighborhood.
Good thing we bought 30 years ago, before the google busses.

But apartments are crazy expensive too. I think a lot of newcomers
have high incomes and spend it all on housing. But they are mostly
having fun, so it's OK while they are still young.



My girlfriend rents a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath/kitchen/dining room apt,
two-car driveway, basically the whole bottom floor of a 1920s 3-story
Victorian-style home 1 mile from downtown Providence RI for 1k/month
utilities included.

When I moved to SF, I found a flat in 20 minutes, for $315 a month.
That same flat probably rents for about $5K now.


Light industrial space is $4-6 per square ft/year I'm thinking about
setting up my lab down there it's too big for my home, now

Tech concentrates its employment in dense, expensive places and then
multiplies the cost to live there. Startups raise zillions and open
their offices in SF or Silicon Valley, and steal employees or over-pay
people to move here.

I don't really understand that. They must think that the mystique of
the location, or the quality of the labor pool, is somehow worth it.

There is a mini-SV in Grass Valley, sort of a more sensible place to
live and work, to me. It was seeded by The Grass Valley Group,
acquired by Tektronix.



The New England hardware-hi-tech-industry mostly fled west after the
80s; back in the day though everyone knew someone who worked for DEC or
Wang they employed about 100k people between them. We used to use DEC's
binders for Dungeons & Dragons material as kids in the early 90s
someone's mom got a hold of like 50 of them they were free for the asking.

There is still a large tech industry but mostly biotech like those
numbskulls at Biogen who are responsible for a good number of C-19 cases
here.

There are a smattering of electronics/electrical engineering firms that
remain like e.g. Analog Devices. Lots of aerospace/defense firms in MA
and RI too.

There are a lot of UTC/Collins/Raytheon/Pratt/Goodrich/Otis companies
in the NE. Connecticuit, Illinois, NY, Mass, Vermont, P+W Canada.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On 2020-04-14 12:30, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:52:20 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/12/2020 2:26 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:07:34 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com
wrote:

As long as we're off-topic lately:

Any thoughts or comments regarding how the credit bureaus will deal with this Coronavirus pandemic. Does anybody here believe strongly that those credit scoring models are really up to the task?

My own FICO-9 just score dropped 6 points, at a time where if anything, it should have gone UP. I just made the last payment on a personal loan (taken out specifically to see if I could bump the score, as I don't really use a lot of credit at this stage in life.) And, I paid down the balance on my two credit cards (which, typically don't carry much of a balance anyway, but I wanted to get them near zero to see what effect it has on FICO.) Answer appears to be "none", BTW.

More importantly, I still have my job, so I'm still accruing cash via paycheck direct deposit (not sure bank account balances figures into FICO?). Unlike a lot of folks out there, I'm not dipping into reserves in order to survive.

I'm starting think this whole FICO-9 credit score scheme might be a bit of a scam? Maybe not in the "big picture" way..., but I wonder what the equations are?
My score hovers in the 780-800 range.

And why keep the models secret? I mean, if FICO was worried about people gaming the model, then they should fix the model, right? Or is it secret just so they can sell it to banks and companies extending credit to customers? And BTW, I realize there are lots and lots of scores by various companies, and used for different purposes, and that FICO-9 is but one of them.

Anybody know the equations for FICO-9 scoring? :)


If you never borrow money, you don't need to worry about a credit
score. I've never borrowed except for mortgages, and having no credit
history didn't seem to affect getting a mortgage.



There's a lot of cookie-cutter financial-guru advice from the likes of
Dave Ramsey that is OK as far as it goes but seems mostly designed to
get middle-class middle-Americans who find themselves in the hole from
doing STUPID things out of trouble.

Like people who have a household income of 70k and think a 70k luxury
SUV bought on credit is a reasonable purchase for their income-bracket.
and soon enough they find themselves in trouble. Yeah. Welp.

We have friends who bought a house on the water in Foster City, no
money down and an interest-only loan. Every time property values went
up, they refinanced and spent the money on restaurants and wine and
cars and cruises.

They both rent now, separately after the divorce.

Well, YOLO. :(

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
 

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