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Dechucka
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"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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Not worth it then.
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Not worth it then.
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news13
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:55:31 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
Shrug, it is for me. If you want to talk about prolifigate energy, go for
it.
So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
That is not what this sub-thread is about.
Shrug, it is for me. If you want to talk about prolifigate energy, go for
it.
T
Trevor
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"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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The main breaker will trip by the time you get to 8kW. (less if they are on
the one circuit) But franky anyone who uses a clothes dryer these days
given the cost of electricity has more money than sense, and is NOT likely
to be looking for solutions to reduce cost when the obvious one is staring
them in the face!
Trevor.
news:bps62mF3c7aU1@mid.individual.net...
The short term power requirements for a house can be quite high. Turn on a
kettle, a toaster, a microwave and a hair dryer all at once (not so
unlikely), and you're at around 6kW. Want the clothes dryer running as
well? 8kW.
The main breaker will trip by the time you get to 8kW. (less if they are on
the one circuit) But franky anyone who uses a clothes dryer these days
given the cost of electricity has more money than sense, and is NOT likely
to be looking for solutions to reduce cost when the obvious one is staring
them in the face!
Trevor.
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Sylvia Else
Guest
On 31/03/2014 6:40 PM, news13 wrote:
That is not what this sub-thread is about.
Sylvia.
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:34:44 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
The short term power requirements for a house can be quite high. Turn on
a kettle, a toaster, a microwave and a hair dryer all at once (not so
unlikely), and you're at around 6kW. Want the clothes dryer running as
well? 8kW.
If you're silly enough to try and duplicate your mains lifestyle, then it
is going to be very expensive. Generally people who do it moderate/change
their life style to one less energy intensive.
So unless you're willing to reorganise your life, you'll need a system
capable of supplying power at that kind of level, even if not for long
periods. That quickly gets expensive, and the point of this was to save
money.
So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
That is not what this sub-thread is about.
Sylvia.
J
Jasen Betts
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On 2014-03-31, Trevor <trevor@home.net> wrote:
Who has main breaker smaller than 35A?
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"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
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The short term power requirements for a house can be quite high. Turn on a
kettle, a toaster, a microwave and a hair dryer all at once (not so
unlikely), and you're at around 6kW. Want the clothes dryer running as
well? 8kW.
The main breaker will trip by the time you get to 8kW. (less if they are on
the one circuit)
Who has main breaker smaller than 35A?
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news13
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On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 23:38:09 +1100, Trevor wrote:
Who are you with?
Now with Origin and it is $280p.a.
"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
Which unfortunately does not reduce your "supply charge" by one cent,
which was my complaint in the first place! $500 a year for a meter and
drop wire is outrageous.
Who are you with?
Now with Origin and it is $280p.a.
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Trevor
Guest
"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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> So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
Which unfortunately does not reduce your "supply charge" by one cent, which
was my complaint in the first place! $500 a year for a meter and drop wire
is outrageous. Cost for transformers etc are load dependent and should
rightly be covered by usage costs rather than have charges reduce as usage
goes up! :-(
Trevor.
news:lhb65e$6sj$25@dont-email.me...
> So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
Which unfortunately does not reduce your "supply charge" by one cent, which
was my complaint in the first place! $500 a year for a meter and drop wire
is outrageous. Cost for transformers etc are load dependent and should
rightly be covered by usage costs rather than have charges reduce as usage
goes up! :-(
Trevor.
T
Trevor
Guest
"Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message
news:lhdjm0$q8d$1@gonzo.reversiblemaps.ath.cx...
Mine is 30A, (the inline supply fuse is 80A though I believe) and the 2 sub
circuits only 15A each. Never been a problem for me though, got rid of the
clothes dryer 30 years ago.
Trevor.
news:lhdjm0$q8d$1@gonzo.reversiblemaps.ath.cx...
The short term power requirements for a house can be quite high. Turn on
a
kettle, a toaster, a microwave and a hair dryer all at once (not so
unlikely), and you're at around 6kW. Want the clothes dryer running as
well? 8kW.
The main breaker will trip by the time you get to 8kW. (less if they are
on
the one circuit)
Who has main breaker smaller than 35A?
Mine is 30A, (the inline supply fuse is 80A though I believe) and the 2 sub
circuits only 15A each. Never been a problem for me though, got rid of the
clothes dryer 30 years ago.
Trevor.
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Jeßus
Guest
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:41:11 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
Yes, exactly.
Agreed. They're so isolated from the real world and they don't even
know it.
On 30/03/2014 8:44 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:08:22 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.
'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?
Raising awareness isn't pointless in itself, but it's self-defeating if
it makes those taking part think they have done their bit for the year
by turning off a few lights for an hour.
Yes, exactly.
And there will be plenty of the twitbook generation that will think
exactly that, the fucking numpties that they are.
Agreed. They're so isolated from the real world and they don't even
know it.
J
Jeßus
Guest
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:56:01 +1100, "Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote:
No, I don't. It was more a rhetorical question really.
"Dechucka" <Dechucka_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?
Google is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour
Assumes he really cares enough to bother. I sure don't.
No, I don't. It was more a rhetorical question really.
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Sylvia Else
Guest
On 1/04/2014 11:38 PM, Trevor wrote:
Costs for transformers are *peak* load dependent, so each consumer
should be paying for transformers in proportion to their contribution to
the peak load.
Usage charges do not capture peak load very well at all.
Time of use metering can better capture peak load, but it would be
difficult to sell a system where consumers don't know how much they'll
be charged for electricity until after the event.
Strictly speaking the transformer cost relates to *projected* peak load,
which complicates allocating the cost even more.
There may be no simple answer to this one, much less one that people
will actually agree is equitable.
Sylvia.
"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:lhb65e$6sj$25@dont-email.me...
So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
Which unfortunately does not reduce your "supply charge" by one cent, which
was my complaint in the first place! $500 a year for a meter and drop wire
is outrageous. Cost for transformers etc are load dependent and should
rightly be covered by usage costs rather than have charges reduce as usage
goes up! :-(
Costs for transformers are *peak* load dependent, so each consumer
should be paying for transformers in proportion to their contribution to
the peak load.
Usage charges do not capture peak load very well at all.
Time of use metering can better capture peak load, but it would be
difficult to sell a system where consumers don't know how much they'll
be charged for electricity until after the event.
Strictly speaking the transformer cost relates to *projected* peak load,
which complicates allocating the cost even more.
There may be no simple answer to this one, much less one that people
will actually agree is equitable.
Sylvia.
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news13
Guest
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:09:17 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
WTF does consumption time have to do with a size of feed charge?
On 2/04/2014 5:04 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
In some places (France IIRC) they size the supply charge based on the
size of your main fuse
That makes some sense, although it would represent an unfair charge on
someone whose peak load occurred outside peak time.
WTF does consumption time have to do with a size of feed charge?
J
Jasen Betts
Guest
On 2014-04-01, Trevor <trevor@home.net> wrote:
In some places (France IIRC) they size the supply charge based on the size
of your main fuse
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"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
Which unfortunately does not reduce your "supply charge" by one cent, which
was my complaint in the first place! $500 a year for a meter and drop wire
is outrageous. Cost for transformers etc are load dependent and should
rightly be covered by usage costs rather than have charges reduce as usage
goes up! :-(
In some places (France IIRC) they size the supply charge based on the size
of your main fuse
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Sylvia Else
Guest
On 2/04/2014 5:04 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
That makes some sense, although it would represent an unfair charge on
someone whose peak load occurred outside peak time.
Sylvia.
On 2014-04-01, Trevor <trevor@home.net> wrote:
"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:lhb65e$6sj$25@dont-email.me...
So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
Which unfortunately does not reduce your "supply charge" by one cent, which
was my complaint in the first place! $500 a year for a meter and drop wire
is outrageous. Cost for transformers etc are load dependent and should
rightly be covered by usage costs rather than have charges reduce as usage
goes up! :-(
In some places (France IIRC) they size the supply charge based on the size
of your main fuse
That makes some sense, although it would represent an unfair charge on
someone whose peak load occurred outside peak time.
Sylvia.
S
Sylvia Else
Guest
On 2/04/2014 7:48 PM, news13 wrote:
I take it that you think it's obvious that it has nothing to do with it.
You're mistaken. I'll explain why, if you ask the question again in a
civilised way.
Sylvia.
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:09:17 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 2/04/2014 5:04 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
In some places (France IIRC) they size the supply charge based on the
size of your main fuse
That makes some sense, although it would represent an unfair charge on
someone whose peak load occurred outside peak time.
WTF does consumption time have to do with a size of feed charge?
I take it that you think it's obvious that it has nothing to do with it.
You're mistaken. I'll explain why, if you ask the question again in a
civilised way.
Sylvia.
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news13
Guest
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:56:04 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
FO, your argument. Make it or shut up.
You started this shite fight you cross posting troll.
On 2/04/2014 7:48 PM, news13 wrote:
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:09:17 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 2/04/2014 5:04 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
In some places (France IIRC) they size the supply charge based on the
size of your main fuse
That makes some sense, although it would represent an unfair charge on
someone whose peak load occurred outside peak time.
WTF does consumption time have to do with a size of feed charge?
I take it that you think it's obvious that it has nothing to do with it.
You're mistaken. I'll explain why, if you ask the question again in a
civilised way.
FO, your argument. Make it or shut up.
You started this shite fight you cross posting troll.
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news13
Guest
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 11:01:50 +1100, Trevor wrote:
So you're with Origin and in the inner city and pay more?
We were with Integral. I guess they invested in infrastructure.
>
"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
Which unfortunately does not reduce your "supply charge" by one cent,
which was my complaint in the first place! $500 a year for a meter and
drop wire is outrageous.
Who are you with?
Now with Origin and it is $280p.a.
You do realise that depends on where you live right?
So you're with Origin and in the inner city and pay more?
We were with Integral. I guess they invested in infrastructure.
>
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news13
Guest
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 10:48:11 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
I can live with that.
On 3/04/2014 2:31 AM, news13 wrote:
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:56:04 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 2/04/2014 7:48 PM, news13 wrote:
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:09:17 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 2/04/2014 5:04 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
In some places (France IIRC) they size the supply charge based on
the size of your main fuse
That makes some sense, although it would represent an unfair charge
on someone whose peak load occurred outside peak time.
WTF does consumption time have to do with a size of feed charge?
I take it that you think it's obvious that it has nothing to do with
it.
You're mistaken. I'll explain why, if you ask the question again in a
civilised way.
FO, your argument. Make it or shut up.
You started this shite fight you cross posting troll.
To be clear, the reason I'm not providing you with the argument is that
you're not debating in a civilised manner. As things stand, you do not
have a correct understanding of the situation. That's your loss, not
mine.
I can live with that.
S
Sylvia Else
Guest
On 3/04/2014 2:31 AM, news13 wrote:
To be clear, the reason I'm not providing you with the argument is that
you're not debating in a civilised manner. As things stand, you do not
have a correct understanding of the situation. That's your loss, not mine.
Sylvia.
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:56:04 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 2/04/2014 7:48 PM, news13 wrote:
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:09:17 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 2/04/2014 5:04 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
In some places (France IIRC) they size the supply charge based on the
size of your main fuse
That makes some sense, although it would represent an unfair charge on
someone whose peak load occurred outside peak time.
WTF does consumption time have to do with a size of feed charge?
I take it that you think it's obvious that it has nothing to do with it.
You're mistaken. I'll explain why, if you ask the question again in a
civilised way.
FO, your argument. Make it or shut up.
You started this shite fight you cross posting troll.
To be clear, the reason I'm not providing you with the argument is that
you're not debating in a civilised manner. As things stand, you do not
have a correct understanding of the situation. That's your loss, not mine.
Sylvia.
T
Trevor
Guest
"news13" <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:lhehol$sbm$3@dont-email.me...
You do realise that depends on where you live right?
Trevor.
news:lhehol$sbm$3@dont-email.me...
So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.
Which unfortunately does not reduce your "supply charge" by one cent,
which was my complaint in the first place! $500 a year for a meter and
drop wire is outrageous.
Who are you with?
Now with Origin and it is $280p.a.
You do realise that depends on where you live right?
Trevor.