OT: Earth Hour

[Sylvia Else]

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

Sylvia.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

On 29/03/14 13:08, Sylvia Else wrote:

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

Sylvia.

Meh!

If you want to feel good, have a glass of wine, should have the same
effect

 

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:08:22 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?

 

[F Murtz]

Jeßus wrote:

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:08:22 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?

It came and went without me realizing it.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 30/03/2014 3:50 PM, Trevor wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bpn2q6Fse7U1@mid.individual.net...
While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

And you can save a fortune by disconnecting from the grid completely. It now
costs me as much for "supply charge" as it does for the electricity I use
thanks to the power companies clever way to recoup some of the money lost to
those with solar panels.
58% increase this year alone! Strangely there has been hardly a murmur
though :-(
Thinking a gas generator may be the answer, I'd only pay one supply charge
then, and the excess heat could warm the house in winter.

Trevor.

It's a nice idea, but I'd be surprised if you could actually save money
that way, once you take into account the cost of the capital involved,
depreciation, and such regular (and other) maintenance as is required.

Even getting the generator to run efficiently is a challenge when you
have the kind of varying load represented by a house.

Sylvia.

 

[F Murtz]

Clocky wrote:

On 30/03/2014 8:44 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:08:22 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?


Raising awareness isn't pointless in itself, but it's self-defeating if
it makes those taking part think they have done their bit for the year
by turning off a few lights for an hour.

And there will be plenty of the twitbook generation that will think
exactly that, the fucking numpties that they are.

The whole idiot affair would cost more both ecologically and financially
than had it not existed.

 

[Trevor]

"Dechucka" <Dechucka_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:SuidnUowRK20HKrOnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...

'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?

Google is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour

Assumes he really cares enough to bother. I sure don't.

Trevor.

 

[Trevor]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:53377263$0$33504$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com...

'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?

It came and went without me realizing it.

You mean it's been and gone. When was it?

Trevor.

 

[Clocky]

On 30/03/2014 8:44 AM, Jeßus wrote:

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:08:22 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?

Raising awareness isn't pointless in itself, but it's self-defeating if
it makes those taking part think they have done their bit for the year
by turning off a few lights for an hour.

And there will be plenty of the twitbook generation that will think
exactly that, the fucking numpties that they are.

 

[Dechucka]

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message
news:15qej9hia9kd7o5lkcnteo1o8h7ne6ml1s@4ax.com...

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:08:22 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?

Google is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour

 

[Dechucka]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:53377263$0$33504$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com...

Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 16:08:22 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?

It came and went without me realizing it.

You realize now that all these morons have posted about it don't you

 

[Trevor]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bpn2q6Fse7U1@mid.individual.net...

While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

And you can save a fortune by disconnecting from the grid completely. It now
costs me as much for "supply charge" as it does for the electricity I use
thanks to the power companies clever way to recoup some of the money lost to
those with solar panels.
58% increase this year alone! Strangely there has been hardly a murmur
though :-(
Thinking a gas generator may be the answer, I'd only pay one supply charge
then, and the excess heat could warm the house in winter.

Trevor.

 

[Dechucka]

"Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote in message
news:lh88j9$ig3$1@speranza.aioe.org...

"Dechucka" <Dechucka_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:SuidnUowRK20HKrOnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
'Earth Hour' eh? What PC faggot came up with that pointless concept?

Google is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Hour

Assumes he really cares enough to bother. I sure don't.

Bothered enough to post about it

 

[Dechucka]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bppoo7Fi42gU1@mid.individual.net...

On 30/03/2014 3:50 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bpn2q6Fse7U1@mid.individual.net...
While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

And you can save a fortune by disconnecting from the grid completely. It
now
costs me as much for "supply charge" as it does for the electricity I use
thanks to the power companies clever way to recoup some of the money lost
to
those with solar panels.
58% increase this year alone! Strangely there has been hardly a murmur
though :-(
Thinking a gas generator may be the answer, I'd only pay one supply
charge
then, and the excess heat could warm the house in winter.

Trevor.

It's a nice idea, but I'd be surprised if you could actually save money
that way, once you take into account the cost of the capital involved,
depreciation, and such regular (and other) maintenance as is required.

Even getting the generator to run efficiently is a challenge when you have
the kind of varying load represented by a house.

You don't use the generator to directly power the house but rather to
generate electricity to store if you use it as a long term system long term.

 

[news13]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 10:51:01 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 31/03/2014 6:34 AM, Dechucka wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message

Even getting the generator to run efficiently is a challenge when you
have the kind of varying load represented by a house.

You don't use the generator to directly power the house but rather to
generate electricity to store if you use it as a long term system long
term.

That addresses the efficiency issue, but at the very non-trivial cost of
needing substantial storage capacity.

To date, the mains has (mostly*some sites) always been cheaper, but
increasingly there are brackets where it isn't.

There is also the reliability issue, resultant losses and recovery
ability.

Due to the "RV" market, you can get into small storage systems cheaply
before moving onto the higher investment.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 31/03/2014 6:34 AM, Dechucka wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bppoo7Fi42gU1@mid.individual.net...
On 30/03/2014 3:50 PM, Trevor wrote:
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bpn2q6Fse7U1@mid.individual.net...
While some of my neighbours foolishly turn their lights out and ignite
candles (which produce more CO2 than the lights they replace), I might
just disconnect myself from the grid for an hour, and fire up my petrol
generator instead.

And you can save a fortune by disconnecting from the grid completely.
It now
costs me as much for "supply charge" as it does for the electricity I
use
thanks to the power companies clever way to recoup some of the money
lost to
those with solar panels.
58% increase this year alone! Strangely there has been hardly a murmur
though :-(
Thinking a gas generator may be the answer, I'd only pay one supply
charge
then, and the excess heat could warm the house in winter.

Trevor.

It's a nice idea, but I'd be surprised if you could actually save
money that way, once you take into account the cost of the capital
involved, depreciation, and such regular (and other) maintenance as is
required.

Even getting the generator to run efficiently is a challenge when you
have the kind of varying load represented by a house.

You don't use the generator to directly power the house but rather to
generate electricity to store if you use it as a long term system long
term.

That addresses the efficiency issue, but at the very non-trivial cost of
needing substantial storage capacity.

Sylvia.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 31/03/2014 1:10 PM, news13 wrote:

On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 10:51:01 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 31/03/2014 6:34 AM, Dechucka wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message

Even getting the generator to run efficiently is a challenge when you
have the kind of varying load represented by a house.

You don't use the generator to directly power the house but rather to
generate electricity to store if you use it as a long term system long
term.

That addresses the efficiency issue, but at the very non-trivial cost of
needing substantial storage capacity.

To date, the mains has (mostly*some sites) always been cheaper, but
increasingly there are brackets where it isn't.

There is also the reliability issue, resultant losses and recovery
ability.

Due to the "RV" market, you can get into small storage systems cheaply
before moving onto the higher investment.

The short term power requirements for a house can be quite high. Turn on
a kettle, a toaster, a microwave and a hair dryer all at once (not so
unlikely), and you're at around 6kW. Want the clothes dryer running as
well? 8kW.

So unless you're willing to reorganise your life, you'll need a system
capable of supplying power at that kind of level, even if not for long
periods. That quickly gets expensive, and the point of this was to save
money.

Sylvia.

 

[news13]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 14:34:44 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:

The short term power requirements for a house can be quite high. Turn on
a kettle, a toaster, a microwave and a hair dryer all at once (not so
unlikely), and you're at around 6kW. Want the clothes dryer running as
well? 8kW.

If you're silly enough to try and duplicate your mains lifestyle, then it
is going to be very expensive. Generally people who do it moderate/change
their life style to one less energy intensive.

So unless you're willing to reorganise your life, you'll need a system
capable of supplying power at that kind of level, even if not for long
periods. That quickly gets expensive, and the point of this was to save
money.

So, the first trick is to lead a less energy expensive lifestyle.

 

[Dechucka]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bps62mF3c7aU1@mid.individual.net...

On 31/03/2014 1:10 PM, news13 wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 10:51:01 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 31/03/2014 6:34 AM, Dechucka wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message

Even getting the generator to run efficiently is a challenge when you
have the kind of varying load represented by a house.

You don't use the generator to directly power the house but rather to
generate electricity to store if you use it as a long term system long
term.

That addresses the efficiency issue, but at the very non-trivial cost of
needing substantial storage capacity.

To date, the mains has (mostly*some sites) always been cheaper, but
increasingly there are brackets where it isn't.

There is also the reliability issue, resultant losses and recovery
ability.

Due to the "RV" market, you can get into small storage systems cheaply
before moving onto the higher investment.


The short term power requirements for a house can be quite high. Turn on a
kettle, a toaster, a microwave and a hair dryer all at once (not so
unlikely), and you're at around 6kW. Want the clothes dryer running as
well? 8kW.

Not a problem

So unless you're willing to reorganise your life, you'll need a system
capable of supplying power at that kind of level, even if not for long
periods. That quickly gets expensive, and the point of this was to save
money.

Which is what batteries can do. I run an off grid system at our holiday
house. The cost to convert to an off grid system from an on grid system
would be not worth it especially as we are running Gel-Cells. However grid
connection in our case was astronomical so it was good value, we're running
a wind and solar array with petrol generator emergency back up

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 31/03/2014 3:07 PM, Dechucka wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:bps62mF3c7aU1@mid.individual.net...
On 31/03/2014 1:10 PM, news13 wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 10:51:01 +1100, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 31/03/2014 6:34 AM, Dechucka wrote:

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message

Even getting the generator to run efficiently is a challenge when you
have the kind of varying load represented by a house.

You don't use the generator to directly power the house but rather to
generate electricity to store if you use it as a long term system long
term.

That addresses the efficiency issue, but at the very non-trivial
cost of
needing substantial storage capacity.

To date, the mains has (mostly*some sites) always been cheaper, but
increasingly there are brackets where it isn't.

There is also the reliability issue, resultant losses and recovery
ability.

Due to the "RV" market, you can get into small storage systems cheaply
before moving onto the higher investment.


The short term power requirements for a house can be quite high. Turn
on a kettle, a toaster, a microwave and a hair dryer all at once (not
so unlikely), and you're at around 6kW. Want the clothes dryer running
as well? 8kW.

Not a problem

So unless you're willing to reorganise your life, you'll need a system
capable of supplying power at that kind of level, even if not for long
periods. That quickly gets expensive, and the point of this was to
save money.

Which is what batteries can do. I run an off grid system at our holiday
house. The cost to convert to an off grid system from an on grid system
would be not worth it especially as we are running Gel-Cells. However
grid connection in our case was astronomical so it was good value, we're
running a wind and solar array with petrol generator emergency back up

Which is fine where a grid connection costs too much. But this
sub-thread is premised on the idea that one has a grid connection
already, but decides to relinquish it in favour of on-site generation in
order to reduce the cost.

Sylvia.