OT crypto crash...

[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 8:21:58 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

On 2022-05-14 16:30, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2022 06:55:49 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:18:03 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
On 5/13/2022 7:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2022 18:57:46 -0500, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 5/12/2022 3:05 PM, John Walliker wrote:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:13:41 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

I\'m fairly convinced that crypto currencies will eventually fall out of
fashion when people wise up to just how much they contribute to global
warming. You would be hard pressed to invent something more wasteful of
energy for the value of the transactions processed.
+1

John
The article mentions Terra Luna Crypto, 10 days ago the price was $86.17
today it is $0.0001965.
To clarify, that is 19/100 of one cent. 5 weeks ago it was $116.41.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/
Oh, just looked at the chart in the link, it is down another 45% in
the last hour since I looked. $0.0001037!!
Mikek
Sell! Sell!

John, you should have bought, bought, bought! The price has quadrupled
from
the low yesterday! It is all the way up to $0.00039 per coin.

Even borrowed time is worth a little bit. UST (TerraUSD) is at $0.19. Terra Luna is designed to destroy UST tokens to push price up to $1, by printing more Luna. Currently, there are 6,530,000,000,000 Luna. They have to increase it several times. Only Lunatic would put new money into Luna.

Beanie Babies, Thomas Kinkade paintings, little glass figurines,
Bitcoins, all essentially worthless.
The same is true for dollars, strictly speaking. The whole economy is
based on trust. As long as you can exchange your basically worthless
tokens for something you need when you need it, the system works. It\'s
scary, really.

They will fix the broken promise with another promise. The original 30 billions (real dollars) or so pumped into UST/Luna are gone forever. They will restart the blockchain with another billion tokens. Just give them another 30 billions USD and everything will be fine. Trust them.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 1:21:58 AM UTC+10, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

On 2022-05-14 16:30, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2022 06:55:49 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:18:03 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
On 5/13/2022 7:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2022 18:57:46 -0500, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:
On 5/12/2022 3:05 PM, John Walliker wrote:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:13:41 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

<snip>

Beanie Babies, Thomas Kinkade paintings, little glass figurines,
Bitcoins, all essentially worthless.
The same is true for dollars, strictly speaking. The whole economy is
based on trust. As long as you can exchange your basically worthless
tokens for something you need when you need it, the system works. It\'s
scary, really.

In secondary school we got taught that money is a medium of exchange.

To make barter work you have to know the pairwise rate of exchange for a very large number of items, which is a very large data base (not that anybody talked about data bases when I was at school).

By hanging a price per unit on every item, you only needed one list prices and the pairwise exchange rate can be worked out from the prices of the two items you are swapping, and it gets around the need to swap only whole items. You can even swap stuff by weight, and weighing is a lot faster than counting.

The whole thing is a very useful fiction, and like all useful fictions somebody will always work out a way to screw it up to their own advantage.

Pyramid scams are one example, and stock market crashes are essentially pyramid scams. starting with the Dutch tulip mania.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[amdx]

On 5/14/2022 8:55 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:18:03 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
On 5/13/2022 7:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2022 18:57:46 -0500, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 5/12/2022 3:05 PM, John Walliker wrote:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:13:41 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

I\'m fairly convinced that crypto currencies will eventually fall out of
fashion when people wise up to just how much they contribute to global
warming. You would be hard pressed to invent something more wasteful of
energy for the value of the transactions processed.
+1

John
The article mentions Terra Luna Crypto, 10 days ago the price was $86.17
today it is $0.0001965.
To clarify, that is 19/100 of one cent. 5 weeks ago it was $116.41.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/
Oh, just looked at the chart in the link, it is down another 45% in
the last hour since I looked. $0.0001037!!
Mikek
Sell! Sell!

John, you should have bought, bought, bought! The price has quadrupled
from
the low yesterday! It is all the way up to $0.00039 per coin.
Even borrowed time is worth a little bit. UST (TerraUSD) is at $0.19. Terra Luna is designed to destroy UST tokens to push price up to $1, by printing more Luna. Currently, there are 6,530,000,000,000 Luna. They have to increase it several times. Only Lunatic would put new money into Luna.

 Ed, you need to educate me. When you say \"UST (TerraUSD) is at
$0.19\",  Is that something different than the Terra Luna I see here,

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/ That is $0.0003652 as
I write.

And what is the Fork?
> https://agora.terra.money/t/fork-luna-time-to-pull-an-etc-vs-eth-stunt/7288

                                   Mikek


                              Mikek


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[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:

On 5/14/2022 8:55 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:18:03 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
On 5/13/2022 7:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2022 18:57:46 -0500, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 5/12/2022 3:05 PM, John Walliker wrote:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:13:41 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

I\'m fairly convinced that crypto currencies will eventually fall out of
fashion when people wise up to just how much they contribute to global
warming. You would be hard pressed to invent something more wasteful of
energy for the value of the transactions processed.
+1

John
The article mentions Terra Luna Crypto, 10 days ago the price was $86.17
today it is $0.0001965.
To clarify, that is 19/100 of one cent. 5 weeks ago it was $116.41.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/
Oh, just looked at the chart in the link, it is down another 45% in
the last hour since I looked. $0.0001037!!
Mikek
Sell! Sell!

John, you should have bought, bought, bought! The price has quadrupled
from
the low yesterday! It is all the way up to $0.00039 per coin.
Even borrowed time is worth a little bit. UST (TerraUSD) is at $0.19. Terra Luna is designed to destroy UST tokens to push price up to $1, by printing more Luna. Currently, there are 6,530,000,000,000 Luna. They have to increase it several times. Only Lunatic would put new money into Luna.
Ed, you need to educate me. When you say \"UST (TerraUSD) is at
$0.19\", Is that something different than the Terra Luna I see here,
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/ That is $0.0003652 as
I write.

Yes, they are different but related.

UST is the main stable coin that is supposed to be fixed at $1, by manipulating the price and supply of Terra Luna. Not sure if I get the exact mechanism right, but it\'s not working anyway. I think UST was originally exchanged for 30 billions in dollars and bitcoins. With both UST and Luna worthless, the original investment vaporized.

And what is the Fork?
https://agora.terra.money/t/fork-luna-time-to-pull-an-etc-vs-eth-stunt/7288

Reprinting Luna, destroying the existing coins. The old Luna is like confederate money, new money takes over.

 

[Mike Monett]

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

> On 2022-05-14 16:30, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

[...]

On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:13:41 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

I\'m fairly convinced that crypto currencies will eventually fall
out of fashion when people wise up to just how much they
contribute to global warming. You would be hard pressed to invent
something more wasteful of energy for the value of the
transactions processed.

People fly in airplanes with no regard for their effect on global warming.
People drive cars that waste energy when stuck in traffic.
People use the internet with no regard for how much energy it uses.
Why should anyone care about crypto?

[...]

Beanie Babies, Thomas Kinkade paintings, little glass figurines,
Bitcoins, all essentially worthless.

The stock market is a form of gambling. Your value can drop to zero in
hours.

Crypto price is determined by supply and demand. Supply is essentialy
fixed, so price is determined by demand. Demand is determined by sentiment,
the same as the stock market.

Many other things are determined by sentiment. Non-fungible tokens, art,
stamps, real estate, gold, anything you can buy. The price is determined by
what you can get for it, same as everything else.

Jeroen Belleman

--
MRM

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 14. maj 2022 kl. 23.32.20 UTC+2 skrev Mike Monett:

Jeroen Belleman <jer...@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-05-14 16:30, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
[...]
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:13:41 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

I\'m fairly convinced that crypto currencies will eventually fall
out of fashion when people wise up to just how much they
contribute to global warming. You would be hard pressed to invent
something more wasteful of energy for the value of the
transactions processed.
People fly in airplanes with no regard for their effect on global warming..
People drive cars that waste energy when stuck in traffic.
People use the internet with no regard for how much energy it uses.
Why should anyone care about crypto?

[...]
Beanie Babies, Thomas Kinkade paintings, little glass figurines,
Bitcoins, all essentially worthless.
The stock market is a form of gambling. Your value can drop to zero in
hours.

Crypto price is determined by supply and demand. Supply is essentialy
fixed, so price is determined by demand. Demand is determined by sentiment,
the same as the stock market.

Many other things are determined by sentiment. Non-fungible tokens, art,
stamps, real estate, gold, anything you can buy. The price is determined by
what you can get for it, same as everything else.

NFTs and crypto stands out as being entirely virtual

 

[server]

On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:21:50 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-05-14 16:30, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2022 06:55:49 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:18:03 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
On 5/13/2022 7:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2022 18:57:46 -0500, amdx <am...@knology.net> wrote:

On 5/12/2022 3:05 PM, John Walliker wrote:
On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:13:41 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

I\'m fairly convinced that crypto currencies will eventually fall out of
fashion when people wise up to just how much they contribute to global
warming. You would be hard pressed to invent something more wasteful of
energy for the value of the transactions processed.
+1

John
The article mentions Terra Luna Crypto, 10 days ago the price was $86.17
today it is $0.0001965.
To clarify, that is 19/100 of one cent. 5 weeks ago it was $116.41.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/
Oh, just looked at the chart in the link, it is down another 45% in
the last hour since I looked. $0.0001037!!
Mikek
Sell! Sell!

John, you should have bought, bought, bought! The price has quadrupled
from
the low yesterday! It is all the way up to $0.00039 per coin.

Even borrowed time is worth a little bit. UST (TerraUSD) is at $0.19. Terra Luna is designed to destroy UST tokens to push price up to $1, by printing more Luna. Currently, there are 6,530,000,000,000 Luna. They have to increase it several times. Only Lunatic would put new money into Luna.

Beanie Babies, Thomas Kinkade paintings, little glass figurines,
Bitcoins, all essentially worthless.

The same is true for dollars, strictly speaking. The whole economy is
based on trust. As long as you can exchange your basically worthless
tokens for something you need when you need it, the system works. It\'s
scary, really.

Jeroen Belleman

Dollars are used because they are expected to be a stable, mutually
respected token of the value of real things. That\'s why banks will
issue 30-year mortgages for 5%.

Bitcoins are used because they are expected to increase (or decrease)
hugely in value, purchased (or sold) by Greater Fools.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

 

[server]

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5b81b481-dacb-4d83-b7d0-f18bd0aa2bb1n@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 7:27:28 AM UTC-7,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2022 07:11:11 -0700,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/crypto-billionaires-vast-wealth
-destro
yed-183042529.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZHJ1Z
GdlcmVwb3J0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMuSbpwV3EWdsJcEKThcK3HHpJ
5Pq39wBQ_rNoHc1I4yRRaGtJhiNuyyY0NUuRkph7xt6vqxjfLLlSPpD7Cb4kSId9jQb
AZ0T89wUav5Mxvk5KokPYxy9Ge-Vk27rnicZrxQ2oVkqEv_-NgT35G5pYWcjJ_qV5Tp
83bpkNHzL4Xs

not to mention all sorts of tech stocks that have lost 95% of
their IPO price.

Dot-bomb and tulip bulbs again... emotional trading in things
with no underlying value. At least it didn\'t take terajoules to
grow tulips.

It\'s hard to feel sorry for some guy who is down to his last two
billion dollars, but lots of ordinarily greedy people could be
in big trouble with their wives too.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/suicide-threats-spike-on-reddit-aft
er-cryp
to-crash/

They are inexpedient traders. Never have more than 10% unhedged
positions in cryptos, stocks or casino bets. Although i broke my
own rule in the energy sector, they were too cheap and in BK area.
I am currently in around 30% energy but 15% hedge. Most of my
hedged positions are way higher than expected target price. But
that\'s OK, i just don\'t get the huge profits like other traders.

Another jackass who needs to go down in zero value flames.
Hedge that stupid fuck.