OT: Chinese Authoritarianism

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:Qr45G.143373$Ty1.82624@fx28.iad:

On 2/25/20 1:31 AM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/02/24 7:18 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5,
edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex
wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/corona
virus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/


"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under
the conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that
have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals
besides official reports to detect, such as online public
conversations about the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem.  Even free countries like
Japan and Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO
propagandas and western medias, including some in this news
groups, that all is well, and don't listen to alarmists. 
They just take official data as the truth, and nothing but the
true, instead of doing their own independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for.  I
have not seen anyone here try to say "all is well".  We simply
look at information from verifiable sources rather than what a
bunch of alarmists post in chat rooms.  I don't know what I am
supposed to get about the infection rate from a video of a lady
being dragged from her car by the cops.   Listening to 15
year old nerds living in their mom's basement is not "doing
research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one.  What
is concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of
China. In some of these countries they have much less
capability to detect and treat the disease, so the infection
rate may already be higher than reported.

Yes, I am very concerned.  If this continues to spread outside
of China, it won't matter what they do in China.


A US national public health emergency will need to be declared,
and the November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

Nah, couldn't happen in the USA!

Except that Trump shut down the NSC ability to respond in 2018
when he (via John Bolton) had the director of pandemic response
removed and that division shut down...

--------------- Washington Post----------------
May 10, 2018 at 1:32 p.m. PDT

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S.
response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the
administration, and the global health security team he oversaw
has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security
adviser John Bolton. -----------------(30)----------------

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/t
op-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abrup
tly/


Yup, Trump is trying to protect the little guy...

John :-#(#


Americans tend to believe bad things only happen to 'bad' people,
neatly resolving the age-old religious paradox of "why do bad
things happen to 'good' people?" Easy, they don't.
Click to expand...

Not clear what you are trying to say nor which players are which
here.

Bad things happen to bad people. It is just that in some cases, it
will be as they stand naked in front of Jesus, just before being cast
into the lake of fire.

Donald John Trump is an extremely dangerous buffoon, and we need
him out. The events over the last four years put a strong point on
just whom has been screwing with the people the most in our
government. The goddamned republicans. Not the people claiming that
party, but the total jackasses they voted into office not knowing the
shit they pull.

There is an entire boatload of jackasses in our nation's governing
chambers that should be doing time down at GITMO for the shit they
pulled last month.
 
On 2/25/20 1:31 AM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/02/24 7:18 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/


"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown
under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem.  Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is
well, and don't listen to alarmists.  They just take official data
as the truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for.  I have
not seen anyone here try to say "all is well".  We simply look at
information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch of
alarmists post in chat rooms.  I don't know what I am supposed to get
about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged from
her car by the cops.   Listening to 15 year old nerds living in their
mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one.  What is
concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of China.
In some of these countries they have much less capability to detect
and treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher
than reported.

Yes, I am very concerned.  If this continues to spread outside of
China, it won't matter what they do in China.


A US national public health emergency will need to be declared, and
the November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

Nah, couldn't happen in the USA!

Except that Trump shut down the NSC ability to respond in 2018 when he
(via John Bolton) had the director of pandemic response removed and that
division shut down...

--------------- Washington Post----------------
May 10, 2018 at 1:32 p.m. PDT

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response
in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the
global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a
reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
-----------------(30)----------------

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/


Yup, Trump is trying to protect the little guy...

John :-#(#
Click to expand...

Americans tend to believe bad things only happen to 'bad' people, neatly
resolving the age-old religious paradox of "why do bad things happen to
'good' people?" Easy, they don't.
 
On 2020/02/24 11:35 p.m., Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 5:31:40 PM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/02/24 7:18 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/


"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem.  Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well,
and don't listen to alarmists.  They just take official data as the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for.  I have not
seen anyone here try to say "all is well".  We simply look at
information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch of
alarmists post in chat rooms.  I don't know what I am supposed to get
about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged from her
car by the cops.   Listening to 15 year old nerds living in their
mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one.  What is
concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of China.  In
some of these countries they have much less capability to detect and
treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher than
reported.

Yes, I am very concerned.  If this continues to spread outside of
China, it won't matter what they do in China.


A US national public health emergency will need to be declared, and the
November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

Nah, couldn't happen in the USA!

Except that Trump shut down the NSC ability to respond in 2018 when he
(via John Bolton) had the director of pandemic response removed and that
division shut down...

--------------- Washington Post----------------
May 10, 2018 at 1:32 p.m. PDT

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response
in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the
global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a
reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
-----------------(30)----------------

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

Yup, Trump is trying to protect the little guy...

The average virus is remarkably small - about 100nm across - so Trump's protective instincts will be thoroughly engaged.

Maybe somebody could one of these into a petting zoo near him

https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/reptiles/yellow-faced-whip-snake/

They are much bigger than a virus, but small for a venomous snake.
Click to expand...

You have such a nice country in AU, where almost everything is trying to
kill you!

Does Australia have a similar museum (rather small I would expect) of
all the AU non-poisonous animals and plants? Rather a short list I
understand...

John :-#)#
 
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 6:52:24 PM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/02/24 11:35 p.m., Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 5:31:40 PM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/02/24 7:18 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/


"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem.  Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well,
and don't listen to alarmists.  They just take official data as the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for.  I have not
seen anyone here try to say "all is well".  We simply look at
information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch of
alarmists post in chat rooms.  I don't know what I am supposed to get
about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged from her
car by the cops.   Listening to 15 year old nerds living in their
mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one.  What is
concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of China.  In
some of these countries they have much less capability to detect and
treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher than
reported.

Yes, I am very concerned.  If this continues to spread outside of
China, it won't matter what they do in China.


A US national public health emergency will need to be declared, and the
November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

Nah, couldn't happen in the USA!

Except that Trump shut down the NSC ability to respond in 2018 when he
(via John Bolton) had the director of pandemic response removed and that
division shut down...

--------------- Washington Post----------------
May 10, 2018 at 1:32 p.m. PDT

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response
in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the
global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a
reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
-----------------(30)----------------

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

Yup, Trump is trying to protect the little guy...

The average virus is remarkably small - about 100nm across - so Trump's protective instincts will be thoroughly engaged.

Maybe somebody could put one of these into a petting zoo near him

https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/reptiles/yellow-faced-whip-snake/

They are much bigger than a virus, but small for a venomous snake.


You have such a nice country in AU, where almost everything is trying to
kill you!

Does Australia have a similar museum (rather small I would expect) of
all the AU non-poisonous animals and plants? Rather a short list I
understand...
Click to expand...

There aren't that many venomous animals and plants. Admittedly the platypus does have a venom gland on it's hind leg and hollow spur near the heel, but it doesn't go after humans with it.

http://poisonousnature.biodiversityexhibition.com/en/card/duck-billed-platypus

The koala is more typical (and you are much more likely to run into one). There's nothing remotely like a grizzly bear. Sharks do kill about as many Australian swimmers as grizzly bears kill Canadians wandering around in forests.

Newspapers make a lot of fuss about both.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:ad821d9a-ce7d-400b-9d38-4671a10668b4@googlegroups.com:

There aren't that many venomous animals and plants. Admittedly the
platypus does have a venom gland on it's hind leg and hollow spur
near the heel, but it doesn't go after humans with it.
Click to expand...

Ha ha ha.

Run, Billy, that platy' is gonna get ya!
 
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 8:24:30 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:ad821d9a-ce7d-400b-9d38-4671a10668b4@googlegroups.com:

There aren't that many venomous animals and plants. Admittedly the
platypus does have a venom gland on it's hind leg and hollow spur
near the heel, but it doesn't go after humans with it.

Ha ha ha.

Run, Billy, that platy' is gonna get ya!
Click to expand...

Have you got any idea how hard it is to find a platypus? And how rapidly it makes itself scarce if detects a human in the vicinity? They are aquatic, so you don't see much of them at the best of times.

Echidna's aren't common either, but I once came across one in our school grounds - it promptly dug itself into the turf, presumably heading for an ant's nest.

These are rare animals. Marsupials are odd enough, but monotremes are even odder. They seems to have split off from the other mammals about 220 million years ago, quite a bit before the marsupial-placental split.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 25/2/20 9:15 pm, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 8:24:30 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:ad821d9a-ce7d-400b-9d38-4671a10668b4@googlegroups.com:

There aren't that many venomous animals and plants. Admittedly the
platypus does have a venom gland on it's hind leg and hollow spur
near the heel, but it doesn't go after humans with it.

Ha ha ha.

Run, Billy, that platy' is gonna get ya!

Have you got any idea how hard it is to find a platypus?
Click to expand...

The creek that runs through Maleny is full of them - visitors see them
every day. But most places, you're right.
 
On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:06:27 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:


But the death rate is about 2% (in a hospital). One approach: relax,
everybody gets exposed, take the hit. Alternate is a local and
world-wide social shutdown, perhaps continuing for years. In that
case, how many will die, because they can't get food, or other basics?
Click to expand...

That's similar to the 1918 Spanish Flu, which killed ca. 20 million
people, because it infected one of every three people on Earth (over 500
million infections). With high transmission rate of coronavirus, taking
the hit is not a good idea.
 
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