OT: Chinese Authoritarianism

[bitrex]

Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

<https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/>

"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

 

On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:

Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/

"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem. Even free countries like Japan and Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well, and don't listen to alarmists. They just take official data as the truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own independent research.

 

[Mikko OH2HVJ]

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com writes:

China is not the only problem. Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well,
and don't listen to alarmists. They just take official data as the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

'The Wisdom of Crowds' by Surowiecki details very well the strengths
weaknesses of global access to 'data' vs 'information'.





--
mikko

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 5:22:37 AM UTC+11, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/

"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem. Even free countries like Japan and Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well, and don't listen to alarmists. They just take official data as the truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own independent research.

Listening to people who are making wild guesses isn't doing any kind of research.

Nobody is claiming that "all is well". South Korea now has 883 reported cases, so their contact tracing approach wasn't thorough enough.

They are now doing what China did and locking down whole areas so that people who are infectious - and don't know it - have a much lower chance of infecting other people.

That is working in China, where there are many fewer new cases every day than there were a week ago, but China has 50,000 cases at the moment, and there's a way to go before they have all recovered or died.

Whether it will work as well in a less authoritarian country is an open question.

Italy is next country down the list - with 229 cases - and they are starting to shut down public gatherings.

Iran is worrying - 61 reported cases isn't high, but 12 deaths does suggest that they are under-reporting. The regime is remarkably authoritarian, but even more inclined to irrational reactions than China's.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[George Herold]

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:22:45 PM UTC-5, Mikko OH2HVJ wrote:

edward.ming.lee@gmail.com writes:

China is not the only problem. Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well,
and don't listen to alarmists. They just take official data as the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

'The Wisdom of Crowds' by Surowiecki details very well the strengths
weaknesses of global access to 'data' vs 'information'.

I'm weirded out by all this big brother stuff. Not just China.
The following is a true story to the best of my memory.
My wife has some google/amazon tablet sitting on coffee table
next to me. She is not at home and tablet is off AFAIK. I
waiting for something to start and trolling my TV chans.
This video comes on with a women talking to her Alexia.
"alexia this", answer...
"alexia that" , answer..
"alexia what is the cia", answer..
"alexia, do you work for the cia?" ... no answer.
same question again,
"alexia, do you work for the cia?" ... no answer
~2 seconds later my wife's tablet wakes up...
totally freaks me out! And says,
"I don't work for the cia, I work for amazon"...
(or words to that effect. It might have just said,
"I work for amazon.")
It was chilling!

(I want none of it... and don't take my pic with
your camera either. :^)

Georg H.

--
mikko

 

[Winfield Hill]

Bill Sloman wrote...

... China has 50,000 cases at the moment, and there's
a way to go before they have all recovered or died.

But the death rate is about 2% (in a hospital). One
approach: relax, everybody gets exposed, take the hit.
Alternate is a local and world-wide social shutdown,
perhaps continuing for years. In that case, how many
will die, because they can't get food, or other basics?


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:06:40 PM UTC-5, Winfield Hill wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote...

... China has 50,000 cases at the moment, and there's
a way to go before they have all recovered or died.

But the death rate is about 2% (in a hospital). One
approach: relax, everybody g.ets exposed, take the hit.
Alternate is a local and world-wide social shutdown,
perhaps continuing for years. In that case, how many
will die, because they can't get food, or other basics?


From what I have read on the internet , ultra violet light kills the Coronavirus. So in a month or so . there will more sunlight and rate of coronavirus infection should decrease.

Dan

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:24:20 PM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:

From what I have read on the internet , ultra violet light kills the Coronavirus. So in a month or so . there will more sunlight and rate of coronavirus infection should decrease.

Decrease from what to what? Before measures went into effect, it
was doubling every week. You'd need to greatly increase the doubling time
(quadruple or more) before it stops being scary.

The amount of UV at sea level, under shade trees, in foggy climes, and indoors, is
kinda puny. Natural UV is unlikely to be an effective limitation.

 

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:24:20 PM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:06:40 PM UTC-5, Winfield Hill wrote:
Bill Sloman wrote...

... China has 50,000 cases at the moment, and there's
a way to go before they have all recovered or died.

But the death rate is about 2% (in a hospital). One
approach: relax, everybody g.ets exposed, take the hit.
Alternate is a local and world-wide social shutdown,
perhaps continuing for years. In that case, how many
will die, because they can't get food, or other basics?


From what I have read on the internet , ultra violet light kills the Coronavirus. So in a month or so . there will more sunlight and rate of coronavirus infection should decrease.

Yes, but at what intensity? Heat also kill the virus. Just heat the patients up to 60C. Problem solved!

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 12:06:40 PM UTC+11, Winfield Hill wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote...

... China has 50,000 cases at the moment, and there's
a way to go before they have all recovered or died.

But the death rate is about 2% (in a hospital).

It's a bit early to say.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Has a page on the subject. 2% is a popular estimate because it's the easiest number to generate. It's also pretty much certain to be too low.

> One approach: relax, everybody gets exposed, take the hit.

It has killed 2,699 so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

killed some 30 million, back when the world population was a factor of three smaller. This isn't an attractive option.

Alternate is a local and world-wide social shutdown,
perhaps continuing for years.

It seems unlikely to continue for years. Once you have isolated the last few infectious cases there's no need to maintain a shut-down.

The efforts to create a vaccine have already produced one - which is about to be tested on ferrets. The COVID-19 seems to be unusually stable, and once we have enough vaccine to protect the whole population, shut-down is unnecessary.

> In that case, how many will die, because they can't get food, or other basics?

Very few, because starving people don't stay shut-down, and the people maintaining the shut-down do understand this.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 1:01:51 PM UTC+11, whit3rd wrote:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:24:20 PM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:

From what I have read on the internet , ultra violet light kills the Coronavirus. So in a month or so . there will more sunlight and rate of coronavirus infection should decrease.


Decrease from what to what? Before measures went into effect, it
was doubling every week. You'd need to greatly increase the doubling time
(quadruple or more) before it stops being scary.

Each patients has to infect more than one new patient to sustain an epidemic (R0>1).

They've typically got a week to do that before they start showing symptoms.

Your "doubling time" implies a constant and predictable rate of new infections.

Shut-down minimises the number of people an infectious patient can meet and infect before they start showing symptoms and get whisked off into isolation.

It's working well enough in Hubei Province that the plot of new cases against time is now rising much more slowly than it was a week ago. It's now looking like a logistic curve rather than the initial exponential (which did have a "doubling time").

R0 has been changed to be appreciably less than one.

> The amount of UV at sea level, under shade trees, in foggy climes, and indoors, is kinda puny. Natural UV is unlikely to be an effective limitation.

True. And nobody seems to be relying on it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:46:36 PM UTC-5, George Herold wrote:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:22:45 PM UTC-5, Mikko OH2HVJ wrote:
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com writes:

China is not the only problem. Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well,
and don't listen to alarmists. They just take official data as the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

'The Wisdom of Crowds' by Surowiecki details very well the strengths
weaknesses of global access to 'data' vs 'information'.


I'm weirded out by all this big brother stuff. Not just China.
The following is a true story to the best of my memory.
My wife has some google/amazon tablet sitting on coffee table
next to me. She is not at home and tablet is off AFAIK. I
waiting for something to start and trolling my TV chans.
This video comes on with a women talking to her Alexia.
"alexia this", answer...
"alexia that" , answer..
"alexia what is the cia", answer..
"alexia, do you work for the cia?" ... no answer.
same question again,
"alexia, do you work for the cia?" ... no answer
~2 seconds later my wife's tablet wakes up...
totally freaks me out! And says,
"I don't work for the cia, I work for amazon"...
(or words to that effect. It might have just said,
"I work for amazon.")
It was chilling!

(I want none of it... and don't take my pic with
your camera either. :^)

Why is it chilling that your tablet responded to its key phrase just like it is supposed to???

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/

"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem. Even free countries like Japan and Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well, and don't listen to alarmists. They just take official data as the truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for. I have not seen anyone here try to say "all is well". We simply look at information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch of alarmists post in chat rooms.. I don't know what I am supposed to get about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged from her car by the cops. Listening to 15 year old nerds living in their mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one. What is concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of China. In some of these countries they have much less capability to detect and treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher than reported.

Yes, I am very concerned. If this continues to spread outside of China, it won't matter what they do in China.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 2/24/20 10:18 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/


"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem.  Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well,
and don't listen to alarmists.  They just take official data as the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for.  I have not
seen anyone here try to say "all is well".  We simply look at
information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch of
alarmists post in chat rooms.  I don't know what I am supposed to get
about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged from her
car by the cops.   Listening to 15 year old nerds living in their
mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one.  What is
concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of China.  In
some of these countries they have much less capability to detect and
treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher than
reported.

Yes, I am very concerned.  If this continues to spread outside of
China, it won't matter what they do in China.


A US national public health emergency will need to be declared, and the
November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

Or, (somewhat) more likely: "Quarantines in urban areas are to remain in
effect but election continues as scheduled, the President has no
authority to postpone elections without an act of Congress"

 

[bitrex]

On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/

"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem. Even free countries like Japan and Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well, and don't listen to alarmists. They just take official data as the truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for. I have not seen anyone here try to say "all is well". We simply look at information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch of alarmists post in chat rooms. I don't know what I am supposed to get about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged from her car by the cops. Listening to 15 year old nerds living in their mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one. What is concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of China. In some of these countries they have much less capability to detect and treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher than reported.

Yes, I am very concerned. If this continues to spread outside of China, it won't matter what they do in China.

A US national public health emergency will need to be declared, and the
November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 9:01:51 PM UTC-5, whit3rd wrote:

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:24:20 PM UTC-8, dca...@krl.org wrote:

From what I have read on the internet , ultra violet light kills the Coronavirus. So in a month or so . there will more sunlight and rate of coronavirus infection should decrease.


Decrease from what to what? Before measures went into effect, it
was doubling every week. You'd need to greatly increase the doubling time
(quadruple or more) before it stops being scary.

The amount of UV at sea level, under shade trees, in foggy climes, and indoors, is
kinda puny. Natural UV is unlikely to be an effective limitation.

That's what is happening. The numbers of new infections is dropping. The number of deaths is dropping. So the doubling number is increasing hugely.

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Rick C]

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:06:40 PM UTC-5, Winfield Hill wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote...

... China has 50,000 cases at the moment, and there's
a way to go before they have all recovered or died.

But the death rate is about 2% (in a hospital). One
approach: relax, everybody gets exposed, take the hit.
Alternate is a local and world-wide social shutdown,
perhaps continuing for years. In that case, how many
will die, because they can't get food, or other basics?

I'd love to know how you arrive at this number. Now that the Chinese are back to requiring a test result for diagnosis, I expect both the death rate and the infection rate are under reported.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/02/24 7:18 p.m., bitrex wrote:

On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/


"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem.  Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well,
and don't listen to alarmists.  They just take official data as the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for.  I have not
seen anyone here try to say "all is well".  We simply look at
information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch of
alarmists post in chat rooms.  I don't know what I am supposed to get
about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged from her
car by the cops.   Listening to 15 year old nerds living in their
mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one.  What is
concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of China.  In
some of these countries they have much less capability to detect and
treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher than
reported.

Yes, I am very concerned.  If this continues to spread outside of
China, it won't matter what they do in China.


A US national public health emergency will need to be declared, and the
November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

Nah, couldn't happen in the USA!

Except that Trump shut down the NSC ability to respond in 2018 when he
(via John Bolton) had the director of pandemic response removed and that
division shut down...

--------------- Washington Post----------------
May 10, 2018 at 1:32 p.m. PDT

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response
in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the
global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a
reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
-----------------(30)----------------

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

Yup, Trump is trying to protect the little guy...

John :-#(#

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 5:31:40 PM UTC+11, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/02/24 7:18 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/


"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the
conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides
official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem.  Even free countries like Japan and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO propagandas and
western medias, including some in this news groups, that all is well,
and don't listen to alarmists.  They just take official data as the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for.  I have not
seen anyone here try to say "all is well".  We simply look at
information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch of
alarmists post in chat rooms.  I don't know what I am supposed to get
about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged from her
car by the cops.   Listening to 15 year old nerds living in their
mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one.  What is
concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of China.  In
some of these countries they have much less capability to detect and
treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher than
reported.

Yes, I am very concerned.  If this continues to spread outside of
China, it won't matter what they do in China.


A US national public health emergency will need to be declared, and the
November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

Nah, couldn't happen in the USA!

Except that Trump shut down the NSC ability to respond in 2018 when he
(via John Bolton) had the director of pandemic response removed and that
division shut down...

--------------- Washington Post----------------
May 10, 2018 at 1:32 p.m. PDT

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response
in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the
global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a
reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
-----------------(30)----------------

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

Yup, Trump is trying to protect the little guy...

The average virus is remarkably small - about 100nm across - so Trump's protective instincts will be thoroughly engaged.

Maybe somebody could one of these into a petting zoo near him

https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/reptiles/yellow-faced-whip-snake/

They are much bigger than a virus, but small for a venomous snake.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote in
news:abudnTEDQfyzT8nDnZ2dnUU7-L_NnZ2d@giganews.com:

On 2020/02/24 11:35 p.m., Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 5:31:40 PM UTC+11, John
Robertson wrot
e:
On 2020/02/24 7:18 p.m., bitrex wrote:
On 2/24/20 9:41 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-5,
edward...@gmail.co
m
wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 4:52:11 PM UTC-8, bitrex
wrote:
Man who tries to know everything ends up knowing nothing:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/coron
aviru
s-and-blindness-authoritarianism/606922/


"In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under
the conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that
have grown
under
Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals
besides

official reports to detect, such as online public
conversations ab
out
the mystery pneumonia."

China is not the only problem.  Even free countries like
Japan
and
Korea (other than the North) listen to CCP and WHO
propagandas and western medias, including some in this news
groups, that all is wel
l,
and don't listen to alarmists.  They just take official data
a
s the
truth, and nothing but the true, instead of doing their own
independent research.

That is the sort of extreme bull that I criticize you for.  I
h
ave not
seen anyone here try to say "all is well".  We simply look at
information from verifiable sources rather than what a bunch
of alarmists post in chat rooms.  I don't know what I am
supposed
to get
about the infection rate from a video of a lady being dragged
from h
er
car by the cops.   Listening to 15 year old nerds living i
n their
mom's basement is not "doing research".

I have been concerned about this disease from day one.  What
is

concerning me now is the mounting infection rate outside of
China.Â
  In
some of these countries they have much less capability to
detect and

treat the disease, so the infection rate may already be higher
than reported.

Yes, I am very concerned.  If this continues to spread
outside
of
China, it won't matter what they do in China.


A US national public health emergency will need to be declared,
and t
he
November elections indefinitely postponed.

For safety reasons.

Nah, couldn't happen in the USA!

Except that Trump shut down the NSC ability to respond in 2018
when he

(via John Bolton) had the director of pandemic response removed
and th
at
division shut down...

--------------- Washington Post----------------
May 10, 2018 at 1:32 p.m. PDT

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S.
response

in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration,
and the

global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under
a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.
-----------------(30)----------------

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/
top-w
hite-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

Yup, Trump is trying to protect the little guy...

The average virus is remarkably small - about 100nm across - so
Trump's
protective instincts will be thoroughly engaged.

Maybe somebody could one of these into a petting zoo near him

https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/reptiles/yellow-face
d-whi
p-snake/

They are much bigger than a virus, but small for a venomous
snake.


You have such a nice country in AU, where almost everything is
trying to kill you!

Does Australia have a similar museum (rather small I would expect)
of all the AU non-poisonous animals and plants? Rather a short
list I understand...

John :-#)#

Kangaroo not poisonous, but I would not tick one off if I were you.
Tasmanian devil not poisonous, but same result. A sugar glider might
poke you in the eye... Then there are some pretty big
crocodiles roaming about.