ot China demographics...

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 23:03:48 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 2:37:58 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 14:23:30 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 7:05:41 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/11/22/china-announces-major-investment-ivf-reverse-birth-collapse/

Slightly on topic is the observation that experts are useless, or
worse than useless, in managing big, chaotic systems.

Useless observation. The systems that are hard to manage are
often called chaotic, and the most visible ones are big.

Famously, war is one of those systems; \'plans are useless, but planning
is indispensable\' was Eisenhower\'s take on the situation.
So, we should support politicians doing planning,

In general, no. If they are trying to control a process that they
don\'t understand - which is the usual case - they make things worse.

That\'s a \'yes\', then, as I see it. By \'support politicians doing planning\'
I intended to support WITH real understanding, perhaps from the halls of academia,
or from potato farmers, and use the understanding of (usually) non-political
experts rather than the posturings of... another Karl Rove or Roger Stone.

The right advisers will give good advice. That\'s useful, though some chaos is still to be expected.
Al Gore showed us how politicians can do useful planning, when he shepherded the Internet into
existence. He didn\'t do that all himself, he got good support for the tech bits.

The Internet isn\'t completely controlled and understood, but it IS useful.

It\'s useful because it isn\'t controlled.

“that government is best which governs least”

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 12:07:54 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 23:03:48 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

The Internet isn\'t completely controlled and understood, but it IS useful.
It\'s useful because it isn\'t controlled.

“that government is best which governs least”

Oh, but cooperative networking is impossible if you rely on
IBM for SNA, Banyan for Vines, and half a hundred other
proprietary solutions. That\'s how I recall the early days
of Usenet, Bitnet, Arpanet, DECnet etc.: it was uncooperative
until government action occurred.

There\'s no heavy-handed government misfeasance on display here, is there? So why
is that aphorism about \'governs least\' anything but random? Maybe if
there\'s another entity that would do some task better, we\'d be
able to state a preference? In practical matters, we ALWAYS have some
governing principles to be arranged, and... the generic term \'government\'
always applies.

 

[ke...@kjwdesigns.com]

On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 at 07:05:41 UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
....

In other news, Biden shut down pipelines, and is now dumping oil from
the US strategic reserve, because $5 gasoline turns out to be bad
politics. Same idea, bang-bang control.

....
What pipelines were shutdown?

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 24/11/21 22:44, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:

On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 at 07:05:41 UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
...
In other news, Biden shut down pipelines, and is now dumping oil from
the US strategic reserve, because $5 gasoline turns out to be bad
politics. Same idea, bang-bang control.
...
What pipelines were shutdown?

Colonial\'s.

But that poorly governed capitalist organisation shut it down
themselves, so their profits wouldn\'t be affected.

Poorly governed? Internally: they allowed themselves to be
shafted by criminal hackers. Externally: government abdicated
responsibility for regulation, and left it to the market.

Profits not affected? Their accounting and back-office systems
were hit, not the pipeline control systems.

What\'s needed is a good bit of rational thinking and responsibility,
to expunge the religion that \"the marked knows best\".

 

[Cydrome Leader]

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 12:07:54 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 23:03:48 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

The Internet isn\'t completely controlled and understood, but it IS useful.
It\'s useful because it isn\'t controlled.

???that government is best which governs least???

Oh, but cooperative networking is impossible if you rely on
IBM for SNA, Banyan for Vines, and half a hundred other
proprietary solutions. That\'s how I recall the early days
of Usenet, Bitnet, Arpanet, DECnet etc.: it was uncooperative
until government action occurred.

Yeah, I recall the Ronald Reagan TCP/IP Act of 1986. A real game changer.

There\'s no heavy-handed government misfeasance on display here, is there? So why
is that aphorism about \'governs least\' anything but random? Maybe if
there\'s another entity that would do some task better, we\'d be
able to state a preference? In practical matters, we ALWAYS have some
governing principles to be arranged, and... the generic term \'government\'
always applies.

 

[bitrex]

On 11/23/2021 12:18 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 08:08:49 -0800, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:


On 2021/11/23 7:05 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/11/22/china-announces-major-investment-ivf-reverse-birth-collapse/

Slightly on topic is the observation that experts are useless, or
worse than useless, in managing big, chaotic systems. They do big
things they don\'t understand, mess things up, and then over-compensate
in panic. Not good dynamics.

In other news, Biden shut down pipelines, and is now dumping oil from
the US strategic reserve, because $5 gasoline turns out to be bad
politics. Same idea, bang-bang control.




The Law of Unintended Consequences.

John

Yes. Systems tend to natural equilibrium; mess with that at peril.

It\'s funny to see politicians pushing, essentially, on summing points.

The Chinese have a saying - \"Dangerous men will meet, in narrow streets.\"

And so it was

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/11/22/china-announces-major-investment-ivf-reverse-birth-collapse/

Slightly on topic is the observation that experts are useless, or
worse than useless, in managing big, chaotic systems. They do big
things they don\'t understand, mess things up, and then over-compensate
in panic. Not good dynamics.

Life in China has changed radically since the out-of-touch policy makers started this nonsense. Younger Chinses don\'t want families period, much less larger families. The policy will have no effect whatsoever

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57303592

In other news, Biden shut down pipelines, and is now dumping oil from
the US strategic reserve, because $5 gasoline turns out to be bad
politics. Same idea, bang-bang control.



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Father Brown\'s figure remained quite dark and still;
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.