OT: carbon dioxide reduction question

On 10/2/2011 6:41 AM, Dennis wrote:
:)

Hows that?
Every bit sent via the net takes a small amount of energy
to transmit. Multiply that by the number of news servers
and it adds up.

And yes, ya done good Dennis.

Jeff


--
"Everything from Crackers to Coffins"
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:9eq18vFmaqU2@mid.individual.net...
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own
CO2 via the fermentation process.


Then why do breweries need huge tanks of Carbon Dioxide?

**They don't. Well, not all of them. CO2 is not required for beer, though
it is used sometimes.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
CO2 is produced in the production of beer. It is collected ( or harvested
in NS ) and used in the bars and pubs etc for the serving thereof.
 
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:03:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own CO2 via
the fermentation process.


Then why do breweries need huge tanks of Carbon Dioxide?
The ones I have visited (northern Europe, mainly) have tanks for
*collecting* the CO2 byproduct of brewing, and it is then used
industrially or in-house for carbonated drinks.
 
who where wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:03:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Trevor Wilson wrote:

**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own CO2 via
the fermentation process.


Then why do breweries need huge tanks of Carbon Dioxide?

The ones I have visited (northern Europe, mainly) have tanks for
*collecting* the CO2 byproduct of brewing, and it is then used
industrially or in-house for carbonated drinks.

The blueprints I saw for one brewery had a large tank, and piping for
tank trucks to deliver Carbon Dioxide.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
 
On 3/10/2011 11:23 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
who where wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:03:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Trevor Wilson wrote:

**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own CO2 via
the fermentation process.


Then why do breweries need huge tanks of Carbon Dioxide?

The ones I have visited (northern Europe, mainly) have tanks for
*collecting* the CO2 byproduct of brewing, and it is then used
industrially or in-house for carbonated drinks.


The blueprints I saw for one brewery had a large tank, and piping for
tank trucks to deliver Carbon Dioxide.


What I know as beer gas
A lot of the generated gas in the fermentation process is used to
compress the kegs and larger container for delivery , very strong beer
smell of course

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On Oct 3, 12:41 pm, atec77 <ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 3/10/2011 11:23 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:



who where wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:03:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terr...@earthlink.net>  wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own CO2 via
the fermentation process.

   Then why do breweries need huge tanks of Carbon Dioxide?

The ones I have visited (northern Europe, mainly) have tanks for
*collecting* the CO2 byproduct of brewing, and it is then used
industrially or in-house for carbonated drinks.

    The blueprints I saw for one brewery had a large tank, and piping for
tank trucks to deliver Carbon Dioxide.

What I know as beer gas
  A lot of the generated gas in the fermentation process is used to
compress the kegs and larger container for delivery , very strong beer
smell of course

--
X-No-Archive: Yes
So in other words, the brewing process generates CO2 ?

(Not that it matters of course)
 
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 06:42:55 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Since there has been all this hype about removing carbon emissions,

Why hasn't anyone come up with the concept of totally banning soft
drinks, since these are all made with carbon dioxide (for the carbonated water)
I refrain from drinking mineral water because it is indistinguishable
from tap water, but others claim that it, too, has an unacceptable
carbon footprint.

http://www.inquirer.net/specialreports/watercrisis/view.php?db=1&article=20080219-119924

"LONDON -- London Mayor Ken Livingstone on Tuesday [February 19, 2008]
launched a blitz against bottled mineral water, urging restaurant
customers in the British capital to ask for tap water to help the
environment.

Livingstone said tap water was not only cheaper but also comes without
the heavy carbon footprint of transporting bottled varieties by road
and often vast distances by air from countries as far away as Fiji and
New Zealand."

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 
On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:15:59 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com>
wrote:


So in other words, the brewing process generates CO2 ?
Yes.
 
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:23:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

who where wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:03:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Trevor Wilson wrote:

**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own CO2 via
the fermentation process.


Then why do breweries need huge tanks of Carbon Dioxide?

The ones I have visited (northern Europe, mainly) have tanks for
*collecting* the CO2 byproduct of brewing, and it is then used
industrially or in-house for carbonated drinks.


The blueprints I saw for one brewery had a large tank, and piping for
tank trucks to deliver Carbon Dioxide.
Deliver? or receive.... The brewing process generates CO2.
 
kreed wrote:
On Oct 3, 4:05 pm, who where <no...@home.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:15:59 -0700 (PDT), kreed
kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

So in other words, the brewing process generates CO2 ?

Yes.

Good, thank you for confirming that.
**You're most welcome.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
news:08hi87doid1bf927pg7gmub7a67lktr6ns@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 06:42:55 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Since there has been all this hype about removing carbon emissions,

Why hasn't anyone come up with the concept of totally banning soft
drinks, since these are all made with carbon dioxide (for the carbonated
water)

I refrain from drinking mineral water because it is indistinguishable
from tap water, but others claim that it, too, has an unacceptable
carbon footprint.

http://www.inquirer.net/specialreports/watercrisis/view.php?db=1&article=20080219-119924

"LONDON -- London Mayor Ken Livingstone on Tuesday [February 19, 2008]
launched a blitz against bottled mineral water, urging restaurant
customers in the British capital to ask for tap water to help the
environment.

Livingstone said tap water was not only cheaper but also comes without
the heavy carbon footprint of transporting bottled varieties by road
and often vast distances by air from countries as far away as Fiji and
New Zealand."

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

I know for a fact that one of the large name mineral waters sold here in
WA is simply bore water from a property in the hills near Perth.

Tap water is the way to go.
 
On 3/10/2011 1:15 PM, kreed wrote:
On Oct 3, 12:41 pm, atec77<ate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 3/10/2011 11:23 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:



who where wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:03:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own CO2 via
the fermentation process.

Then why do breweries need huge tanks of Carbon Dioxide?

The ones I have visited (northern Europe, mainly) have tanks for
*collecting* the CO2 byproduct of brewing, and it is then used
industrially or in-house for carbonated drinks.

The blueprints I saw for one brewery had a large tank, and piping for
tank trucks to deliver Carbon Dioxide.

What I know as beer gas
A lot of the generated gas in the fermentation process is used to
compress the kegs and larger container for delivery , very strong beer
smell of course

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

So in other words, the brewing process generates CO2 ?

(Not that it matters of course)

yup
basic chemistry , beer is related to yogurt :)
I know which I prefer

--
X-No-Archive: Yes
 
On Oct 3, 4:05 pm, who where <no...@home.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:15:59 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com
wrote:

So in other words, the brewing process generates CO2 ?

Yes.
Good, thank you for confirming that.
 
On Oct 3, 3:23 pm, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 06:42:55 -0700 (PDT), kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Since there has been all this hype about removing carbon emissions,

Why hasn't anyone come up with the concept of totally banning soft
drinks, since these are all made with carbon dioxide (for the carbonated water)

I refrain from drinking mineral water because it is indistinguishable
from tap water, but others claim that it, too, has an unacceptable
carbon footprint.

http://www.inquirer.net/specialreports/watercrisis/view.php?db=1&arti....

"LONDON -- London Mayor Ken Livingstone on Tuesday [February 19, 2008]
launched a blitz against bottled mineral water, urging restaurant
customers in the British capital to ask for tap water to help the
environment.

Livingstone said tap water was not only cheaper but also comes without
the heavy carbon footprint of transporting bottled varieties by road
and often vast distances by air from countries as far away as Fiji and
New Zealand."

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
I always drank tap water (again no difference in taste in my opinion,
and it is essentially free) but stopped when fluoride was put in by
QLD state government order earlier in the year, as there is plenty of
controversy as to its safety that I would rather not risk it.
Back to rain water for me.


(For those that are into carbon footprints, I don't see how you can
beat rainwater).
 
On Oct 3, 5:24 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Oct 3, 4:05 pm, who where <no...@home.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:15:59 -0700 (PDT), kreed
kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

So in other words, the brewing process generates CO2 ?

Yes.

Good, thank you for confirming that.

**You're most welcome.

For what ?


--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
 
On 10/03/2011 04:11 AM, kreed wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:23 pm, Franc Zabkar<fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 06:42:55 -0700 (PDT), kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Since there has been all this hype about removing carbon emissions,

Why hasn't anyone come up with the concept of totally banning soft
drinks, since these are all made with carbon dioxide (for the carbonated water)

I refrain from drinking mineral water because it is indistinguishable
from tap water, but others claim that it, too, has an unacceptable
carbon footprint.

http://www.inquirer.net/specialreports/watercrisis/view.php?db=1&arti...

"LONDON -- London Mayor Ken Livingstone on Tuesday [February 19, 2008]
launched a blitz against bottled mineral water, urging restaurant
customers in the British capital to ask for tap water to help the
environment.

Livingstone said tap water was not only cheaper but also comes without
the heavy carbon footprint of transporting bottled varieties by road
and often vast distances by air from countries as far away as Fiji and
New Zealand."

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

I always drank tap water (again no difference in taste in my opinion,
and it is essentially free) but stopped when fluoride was put in by
QLD state government order earlier in the year, as there is plenty of
controversy as to its safety that I would rather not risk it.
Back to rain water for me.


(For those that are into carbon footprints, I don't see how you can
beat rainwater).
How about all the ambulance traffic for people who get dysentery from
drinking the bird droppings rinsed off their roof? ;-&

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On Oct 3, 10:04 pm, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 10/03/2011 04:11 AM, kreed wrote:



On Oct 3, 3:23 pm, Franc Zabkar<fzab...@iinternode.on.net>  wrote:
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 06:42:55 -0700 (PDT), kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Since there has been all this hype about removing carbon emissions,

Why hasn't anyone come up with the concept of totally banning soft
drinks, since these are all made with carbon dioxide (for the carbonated water)

I refrain from drinking mineral water because it is indistinguishable
from tap water, but others claim that it, too, has an unacceptable
carbon footprint.

http://www.inquirer.net/specialreports/watercrisis/view.php?db=1&arti....

"LONDON -- London Mayor Ken Livingstone on Tuesday [February 19, 2008]
launched a blitz against bottled mineral water, urging restaurant
customers in the British capital to ask for tap water to help the
environment.

Livingstone said tap water was not only cheaper but also comes without
the heavy carbon footprint of transporting bottled varieties by road
and often vast distances by air from countries as far away as Fiji and
New Zealand."

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

I always drank tap water (again no difference in taste in my opinion,
and it is essentially free) but stopped when fluoride was put in by
QLD state government order earlier in the year, as there is plenty of
controversy as to its safety that I would rather not risk it.
Back to rain water for me.

(For those that are into carbon footprints, I don't see how you can
beat rainwater).

How about all the ambulance traffic for people who get dysentery from
drinking the bird droppings rinsed off their roof? ;-&

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot nethttp://electrooptical.net

On modern tanks, you have a "first flush" unit, that discards the
first lot of water, this allows sufficient time for the roof to be
washed clean before the tank starts filling, then the water is fine,
no dirt and crap. Interestingly though, at school a long long time
ago, we had 2x 8,000 gallon (approx) tanks that collected rain water
from the roof for drinking - no first flush or filter, everyone drank
out of them, including the teachers and no one got sick from it.

Of course, if there were toxic chemicals in the air and it wasnt safe,
I wouldnt drink it, but that isnt the case here.

No health problems in my family.
 
kreed wrote:
On Oct 3, 5:24 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Oct 3, 4:05 pm, who where <no...@home.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:15:59 -0700 (PDT), kreed
kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

So in other words, the brewing process generates CO2 ?

Yes.

Good, thank you for confirming that.

**You're most welcome.

For what ?
**For this:

"**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own CO2 via
the fermentation process." 10/2/2011


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 06:33:30 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> put finger to keyboard and composed:

kreed wrote:
On Oct 3, 5:24 pm, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Oct 3, 4:05 pm, who where <no...@home.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:15:59 -0700 (PDT), kreed
kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:

So in other words, the brewing process generates CO2 ?

Yes.

Good, thank you for confirming that.

**You're most welcome.

For what ?

**For this:

"**BIG difference. Beer and some sparkling wines generate their own CO2 via
the fermentation process." 10/2/2011
I don't see the distinction. If we didn't brew alcoholic beverages,
then we wouldn't be creating CO2. Therefore, CO2 generated by the
fermentation process is still essentially man-made.

It's a bit like saying that it's not our driving that causes air
pollution, it's the natural consequence of the internal combustion
process.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
 

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