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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 6:42:15 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
We are stupid. We are, we are stupid, stupid.
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Tabby
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On Thursday, 17 March 2022 at 15:08:29 UTC, John Doe wrote:
If you don\'t send em billions it\'ll end up costing you trillions. It\'s very much the war that\'ll stop or spawn WW3.
https://youtu.be/xhFqNGh5jyY
Seems to be a pattern. Some videos have, or at least HAD, LOTS of
Ukrainian spam, not bots but not Americans either. In other videos,
Americans are flatly rejecting sending billions to Ukraine, especially on
If you don\'t send em billions it\'ll end up costing you trillions. It\'s very much the war that\'ll stop or spawn WW3.
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John Doe
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Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
That ignores history, geography, and whatever.
Ukraine\'s capital is 470 miles from Moscow. That\'s why Henry Kissinger and
other Western diplomats have warned against NATO expanding to Russia\'s former
territories. We Americans wouldn\'t even let Russia put missiles in Cuba. If a
Russian military organization were flirting with Mexico or Canada, we would
be there. Self-defense is a basic right. NATO needs to back off. Ukraine
needs to stop flirting with NATO, declare itself NEUTRAL, and stop
persecuting Russia\'s sympathetic people in Ukraine.
John Doe wrote:
https://youtu.be/xhFqNGh5jyY
Seems to be a pattern. Some videos have, or at least HAD, LOTS of
Ukrainian spam, not bots but not Americans either. In other videos,
Americans are flatly rejecting sending billions to Ukraine, especially
on
If you don\'t send em billions it\'ll end up costing you trillions. It\'s
very much the war that\'ll stop or spawn WW3.
That ignores history, geography, and whatever.
Ukraine\'s capital is 470 miles from Moscow. That\'s why Henry Kissinger and
other Western diplomats have warned against NATO expanding to Russia\'s former
territories. We Americans wouldn\'t even let Russia put missiles in Cuba. If a
Russian military organization were flirting with Mexico or Canada, we would
be there. Self-defense is a basic right. NATO needs to back off. Ukraine
needs to stop flirting with NATO, declare itself NEUTRAL, and stop
persecuting Russia\'s sympathetic people in Ukraine.
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whit3rd
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On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:53:25 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
Not true. NATO countries don\'t need to relocate themselves.
Ukraine is exercising the basic right of self-defense. The sympathetic
people of Mariupol are fewer, and less sympathetic, nowadays.
How can they be \'neutral\' during an invasion of their own country?
Lithuania has the right idea. NATO membership for Ukraine, right after retaking Crimea.
As for \'470 miles from Moscow\', Russia can move its capital if that\'s an issue.
But, like Nazis, it isn\'t a real issue. It\'s just a verbal haze element.
Ukraine\'s capital is 470 miles from Moscow. That\'s why Henry Kissinger and
other Western diplomats have warned against NATO expanding to Russia\'s former
territories. ...
Self-defense is a basic right. NATO needs to back off.
Not true. NATO countries don\'t need to relocate themselves.
Ukraine
needs to stop flirting with NATO, declare itself NEUTRAL, and stop
persecuting Russia\'s sympathetic people in Ukraine.
Ukraine is exercising the basic right of self-defense. The sympathetic
people of Mariupol are fewer, and less sympathetic, nowadays.
How can they be \'neutral\' during an invasion of their own country?
Lithuania has the right idea. NATO membership for Ukraine, right after retaking Crimea.
As for \'470 miles from Moscow\', Russia can move its capital if that\'s an issue.
But, like Nazis, it isn\'t a real issue. It\'s just a verbal haze element.
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John Doe
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I don\'t know about \"whit3rd\'s\" country, but we Americans wouldn\'t even let
Russia put missiles in Cuba. If a Russian military organization were
expanding to our border countries like Mexico and Canada, we most
certainly would invade them and put a stop to it.
That\'s why the late Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have warned
against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.
If zealous Russian hating adversaries continue to arm Ukraine, there will
be little left of Ukraine after Russia gets through with it. Russia will
tear up ALL of Ukraine\'s railroad tracks so Ukraine will not even be able
to export its (formerly) massive wheat product.
Imperialist warmongers act like they couldn\'t care less about anybody else
and like they have no knowledge of geography or history. The
military-industrial complex has lots of hungry little warmonger babies to
feed!
Russia put missiles in Cuba. If a Russian military organization were
expanding to our border countries like Mexico and Canada, we most
certainly would invade them and put a stop to it.
That\'s why the late Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have warned
against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.
If zealous Russian hating adversaries continue to arm Ukraine, there will
be little left of Ukraine after Russia gets through with it. Russia will
tear up ALL of Ukraine\'s railroad tracks so Ukraine will not even be able
to export its (formerly) massive wheat product.
Imperialist warmongers act like they couldn\'t care less about anybody else
and like they have no knowledge of geography or history. The
military-industrial complex has lots of hungry little warmonger babies to
feed!
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Anthony William Sloman
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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:42:05 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
You didn\'t invade Cuba. And Russia\'s actions in the Ukraine don\'t have anything to do with Russian national security. Putin\'s bleating about anxieties about the Ukraine joining NATO is merely a trumped up cover story.
> That\'s why the late Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have warned against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.
Quite awhile ago, and in a rather different context.
Dream on. Ukraine isn\'t getting arms from the rest of the world because the rest of the world hates Russia. The rest of the world likes the Ukraine rather more than they like Russia, and the Ukraine hasn\'t invaded any of it\'s neighbours, which generates sympathy.
> Russia will tear up ALL of Ukraine\'s railroad tracks so Ukraine will not even be able to export its (formerly) massive wheat product.
Why would they do that? They\'d be just as enthusiastic about selling Ukraniain wheat to the rest of the world as they were when the Ukraine was part of the USSR. And ripping up railway tracks doesn\'t stop them from getting rebuilt.
> Imperialist warmongers act like they couldn\'t care less about anybody else and like they have no knowledge of geography or history.
That seems to describe Putin pretty exactly. Did you have any other imperialist warmonger in mind?
> The military-industrial complex has lots of hungry little warmonger babies to feed!
The Ukraine isn\'t big enough to feed them well. The Soviet military-industrial complex isn\'t enjoying the current debacle - the weapons the Russian army used in it\'s attempted invasion of the Ukraine aren\'t coming across as irresistibly powerful. Too many are ending up as burnt out hulks.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
I don\'t know about \"whit3rd\'s\" country, but we Americans wouldn\'t even let
Russia put missiles in Cuba. If a Russian military organization were
expanding to our border countries like Mexico and Canada, we most
certainly would invade them and put a stop to it.
You didn\'t invade Cuba. And Russia\'s actions in the Ukraine don\'t have anything to do with Russian national security. Putin\'s bleating about anxieties about the Ukraine joining NATO is merely a trumped up cover story.
> That\'s why the late Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have warned against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.
Quite awhile ago, and in a rather different context.
If zealous Russian hating adversaries continue to arm Ukraine, there will
be little left of Ukraine after Russia gets through with it.
Dream on. Ukraine isn\'t getting arms from the rest of the world because the rest of the world hates Russia. The rest of the world likes the Ukraine rather more than they like Russia, and the Ukraine hasn\'t invaded any of it\'s neighbours, which generates sympathy.
> Russia will tear up ALL of Ukraine\'s railroad tracks so Ukraine will not even be able to export its (formerly) massive wheat product.
Why would they do that? They\'d be just as enthusiastic about selling Ukraniain wheat to the rest of the world as they were when the Ukraine was part of the USSR. And ripping up railway tracks doesn\'t stop them from getting rebuilt.
> Imperialist warmongers act like they couldn\'t care less about anybody else and like they have no knowledge of geography or history.
That seems to describe Putin pretty exactly. Did you have any other imperialist warmonger in mind?
> The military-industrial complex has lots of hungry little warmonger babies to feed!
The Ukraine isn\'t big enough to feed them well. The Soviet military-industrial complex isn\'t enjoying the current debacle - the weapons the Russian army used in it\'s attempted invasion of the Ukraine aren\'t coming across as irresistibly powerful. Too many are ending up as burnt out hulks.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Ed Lee
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On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 6:39:48 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
Russia + Ukraine union was an unequal union. Good for Russia and not so good for Ukraine. Putin wants to get back the advantageous relationship. Nothing to do with NATO.
Putin might want to get rid of people and properties in his way, but railway is something he wants to keep.
> > Imperialist warmongers act like they couldn\'t care less about anybody else and like they have no knowledge of geography or history.
Putin\'s (and John Doe\'s) history was very short, around 50 years of USSR. It was only successful in suppression of the slave states, until they wise-up.
Russia is using up the last of it\'s stockpiles in men and weapons. The only thing left is threat of nukes.
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:42:05 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
I don\'t know about \"whit3rd\'s\" country, but we Americans wouldn\'t even let
Russia put missiles in Cuba. If a Russian military organization were
expanding to our border countries like Mexico and Canada, we most
certainly would invade them and put a stop to it.
You didn\'t invade Cuba. And Russia\'s actions in the Ukraine don\'t have anything to do with Russian national security. Putin\'s bleating about anxieties about the Ukraine joining NATO is merely a trumped up cover story.
Russia + Ukraine union was an unequal union. Good for Russia and not so good for Ukraine. Putin wants to get back the advantageous relationship. Nothing to do with NATO.
That\'s why the late Henry Kissinger and other diplomats have warned against NATO expansion to Russia\'s border countries.
Quite awhile ago, and in a rather different context.
If zealous Russian hating adversaries continue to arm Ukraine, there will
be little left of Ukraine after Russia gets through with it.
Dream on. Ukraine isn\'t getting arms from the rest of the world because the rest of the world hates Russia. The rest of the world likes the Ukraine rather more than they like Russia, and the Ukraine hasn\'t invaded any of it\'s neighbours, which generates sympathy.
Russia will tear up ALL of Ukraine\'s railroad tracks so Ukraine will not even be able to export its (formerly) massive wheat product.
Why would they do that? They\'d be just as enthusiastic about selling Ukraniain wheat to the rest of the world as they were when the Ukraine was part of the USSR. And ripping up railway tracks doesn\'t stop them from getting rebuilt.
Putin might want to get rid of people and properties in his way, but railway is something he wants to keep.
> > Imperialist warmongers act like they couldn\'t care less about anybody else and like they have no knowledge of geography or history.
Putin\'s (and John Doe\'s) history was very short, around 50 years of USSR. It was only successful in suppression of the slave states, until they wise-up.
That seems to describe Putin pretty exactly. Did you have any other imperialist warmonger in mind?
The military-industrial complex has lots of hungry little warmonger babies to feed!
The Ukraine isn\'t big enough to feed them well. The Soviet military-industrial complex isn\'t enjoying the current debacle - the weapons the Russian army used in it\'s attempted invasion of the Ukraine aren\'t coming across as irresistibly powerful. Too many are ending up as burnt out hulks.
Russia is using up the last of it\'s stockpiles in men and weapons. The only thing left is threat of nukes.
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Anthony William Sloman
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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:28:48 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
<snip>
The USSR lasted from about 1920 to about 1990 - that\'s 70 years. The USSR was a federation, if with one dominant partner. The other republics weren\'t
\"slave states\". They got modernised in the process of being exploited, if not as thoroughly or as expertly as European colonies would have been. They didn\'t so much wise up as get out from under when Russia fell apart.
The eastern European satellites were a good deal more advanced when they got taken over by the USSR than the satellites to the south and east of Russia, and they have done better since they got out from under. The Ukraine was part of Russia for a long time before the USSR was set up, and was just a modern as the rest of Russia.
Stalin came Georgia, which is further east around the Black Sea than the Ukraine, and has had much the same kinds of problems with Russia since 1990. \"Slave states\" isn\'t a good description.
Perhaps, but you may be under-estimating Putin\'s ingenuity and his fondness for implausible lies.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 6:39:48 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 8:42:05 AM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
<snip>
Imperialist warmongers act like they couldn\'t care less about anybody else and like they have no knowledge of geography or history.
Putin\'s (and John Doe\'s) history was very short, around 50 years of USSR. It was only successful in suppression of the slave states, until they wise-up.
The USSR lasted from about 1920 to about 1990 - that\'s 70 years. The USSR was a federation, if with one dominant partner. The other republics weren\'t
\"slave states\". They got modernised in the process of being exploited, if not as thoroughly or as expertly as European colonies would have been. They didn\'t so much wise up as get out from under when Russia fell apart.
The eastern European satellites were a good deal more advanced when they got taken over by the USSR than the satellites to the south and east of Russia, and they have done better since they got out from under. The Ukraine was part of Russia for a long time before the USSR was set up, and was just a modern as the rest of Russia.
Stalin came Georgia, which is further east around the Black Sea than the Ukraine, and has had much the same kinds of problems with Russia since 1990. \"Slave states\" isn\'t a good description.
That seems to describe Putin pretty exactly. Did you have any other imperialist warmonger in mind?
The military-industrial complex has lots of hungry little warmonger babies to feed!
The Ukraine isn\'t big enough to feed them well. The Soviet military-industrial complex isn\'t enjoying the current debacle - the weapons the Russian army used in it\'s attempted invasion of the Ukraine aren\'t coming across as irresistibly powerful. Too many are ending up as burnt out hulks.
Russia is using up the last of it\'s stockpiles in men and weapons. The only thing left is threat of nukes.
Perhaps, but you may be under-estimating Putin\'s ingenuity and his fondness for implausible lies.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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server
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John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t2dmiu$ond$1@dont-email.me:
They were nukes, you stupid fuck. You logic rests firmly at NIL.
NATO, nor Ukraine is putting, much less pointing missiles in place
aimed at Russia.
The Cuban missile crisis was Russia placing nuclear tipped missile
batteries in Cuba. BIG DIFFERENCE.
NATO fits their member nations with DEFENSES, not OFFENSES. They
put \"self defense\" mechanisms in place. They did not place ANY
missile batteries in place and certainly ZERO that were nuclear
tipped.
Russia placed thousands of OFFENSIVE troops and invaded a sovereign
nation, you stupid putz. They have hundreds of operational missile
silos and many many nations are targetted by them. More proof of just
how stupid you really are.
Ukraine is not \"persecuting\" anyone, you stupid fuck.
You could not be more stupid if you tried. The CMC compared to
this is 100% apples and oranges. I\'ll bet China has missiles pointed
Russia\'s way, and I;ll bet they are nukes too. Do you see Russia
barking at China or invading it? They are way too pussified for that.
Essentially, you could not be more fucking stupid if you tried.
news:t2dmiu$ond$1@dont-email.me:
Ukraine\'s capital is 470 miles from Moscow. That\'s why Henry
Kissinger and other Western diplomats have warned against NATO
expanding to Russia\'s former territories. We Americans wouldn\'t
even let Russia put missiles in Cuba.
They were nukes, you stupid fuck. You logic rests firmly at NIL.
If a Russian military
organization were flirting with Mexico or Canada, we would be
there. Self-defense is a basic right. NATO needs to back off.
Ukraine needs to stop flirting with NATO, declare itself NEUTRAL,
and stop persecuting Russia\'s sympathetic people in Ukraine.
NATO, nor Ukraine is putting, much less pointing missiles in place
aimed at Russia.
The Cuban missile crisis was Russia placing nuclear tipped missile
batteries in Cuba. BIG DIFFERENCE.
NATO fits their member nations with DEFENSES, not OFFENSES. They
put \"self defense\" mechanisms in place. They did not place ANY
missile batteries in place and certainly ZERO that were nuclear
tipped.
Russia placed thousands of OFFENSIVE troops and invaded a sovereign
nation, you stupid putz. They have hundreds of operational missile
silos and many many nations are targetted by them. More proof of just
how stupid you really are.
Ukraine is not \"persecuting\" anyone, you stupid fuck.
You could not be more stupid if you tried. The CMC compared to
this is 100% apples and oranges. I\'ll bet China has missiles pointed
Russia\'s way, and I;ll bet they are nukes too. Do you see Russia
barking at China or invading it? They are way too pussified for that.
Essentially, you could not be more fucking stupid if you tried.
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server
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Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fcda6ff0-a322-41bb-90a6-42b89f3fce34n@googlegroups.com:
Damn, you actually got one right. It will not help, however.
Putin is still toast, and you are still stupid.
news:fcda6ff0-a322-41bb-90a6-42b89f3fce34n@googlegroups.com:
Russia is using up the last of it\'s stockpiles in men and weapons.
The only thing left is threat of nukes.
Damn, you actually got one right. It will not help, however.
Putin is still toast, and you are still stupid.