OT: all animals need 37 seconds to pee

On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 9:15:14 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

Years ago I read a study, which showed that all
animals, whether large or small, need 37 seconds
to pee (fully empty their bladder). When I take
our dog out for his nightly emptying, and he only
takes about 5 seconds, I know we have a problem.
If I wait until 10:30, we get more, but tonight
at 9pm, that's all we got. Sometimes I can meet
the 37-second rule, but if not, what's that mean?


--
Thanks,
- Win

Is that because it only takes a preditory animal that long to find and eat you. Any longer and you would be dead. Also check out the you-tube video's by GTOger where he times potty breaks with his security cam's of his parking area.

 

[Phil Allison]

Krackpot Wanker Fuckwit k...@notreal.com wrote:

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Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com


It's customary to add one digit past the standard
deviation. Saying 21 is better, because it places
the observed value closer to that, than 20 would,
which could be 10 to 40, or even 5 to 80. This
implies that the observations were tighter than
you might imagine.

That makes no sense whatsoever.



** So the trolling fool fails to understand "significant digits" and rounding.

The number 21 has two of 'em, while 20 has only one.

So, the uncertainty band inherent in "21 seconds" is between 20.5 and 21.5

The uncertainly band is saying "20 seconds" is between 15 and 25.

If my DMM displays 2.000 that is 4 digits with an error band of +/-1 digit.

But if displays 0.002 that is only 1 digit with the same error band.

Now try reading the thread, Phyllis.

** I have, Win made an error, he does that all the time.

Your asinine comment was still wrong.



...... Phil

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 1:44:42 AM UTC+11, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:23:43 +0300, Mikko OH2HVJ
mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> wrote:

krw@notreal.com writes:

On 18 Oct 2019 19:07:55 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

krw@notreal.com wrote...
It's customary to add one digit past the standard
deviation. Saying 21 is better, because it places
the observed value closer to that, than 20 would,
which could be 10 to 40, or even 5 to 80. This
implies that the observations were tighter than
you might imagine.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Significant digits as a way to convey the measurement accuracy depends
on the 10-base system.

If the result would be 21s +/-3s, it's not 2 digits, but one digit would
not give credit to the tight distribution.

But that's the whole point. There is no way a biological measurement,
any biological measurement, can be that tight across all species and
all examples of even a single species.

None that krw can understand.

The correct way is to ditch significant digits and give accuracy
separately, but usually digits is good enough.

Now, read the thread again. Two significant digits is just silly for
this "measurement".

It looks silly to krw, but anything he can't understand looks silly to him.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[George Herold]

On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 9:15:14 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

Years ago I read a study, which showed that all
animals, whether large or small, need 37 seconds
to pee (fully empty their bladder). When I take
our dog out for his nightly emptying, and he only
takes about 5 seconds, I know we have a problem.
If I wait until 10:30, we get more, but tonight
at 9pm, that's all we got. Sometimes I can meet
the 37-second rule, but if not, what's that mean?


--
Thanks,
- Win

I was at the Belle Star* ~18 years old. They had all
these great blues acts... it might have been Muddy Waters
or James Cotton (both) any way I had a great spot and when
my bladder forced me to leave, I remember leaning on the
urinal and thinking..
"dang, I might be able to go on peeing forever"

Well you brought up animals and pee.

George H.

*Colden NY, burnt down ~1978

 

[Mikko OH2HVJ]

krw@notreal.com writes:

On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:23:43 +0300, Mikko OH2HVJ
mikko.syrjalahti@nospam.fi> wrote:

If the result would be 21s +/-3s, it's not 2 digits, but one digit would
not give credit to the tight distribution.

But that's the whole point. There is no way a biological measurement,
any biological measurement, can be that tight across all species and
all examples of even a single species.

My bad - I thought your comment was about the text you quoted.

--
mikko

 

[John Robertson]

On 2019/10/19 10:14 a.m., bitrex wrote:

On 10/19/19 3:14 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 19/10/19 02:15, Winfield Hill wrote:
  Years ago I read a study, which showed that all
  animals, whether large or small, need 37 seconds
  to pee (fully empty their bladder).  When I take
  our dog out for his nightly emptying, and he only
  takes about 5 seconds, I know we have a problem.
  If I wait until 10:30, we get more, but tonight
  at 9pm, that's all we got.  Sometimes I can meet
  the 37-second rule, but if not, what's that mean?

Take him for a walk, and note the (exponential?)
curves of pee duration and time between successive
pees. Make predictions.

Daughter's dog has a cast iron bladder. If it is
raining and isn't out for a walk, won't voluntarily
go outside until the early/mid afternoon.

Given the size of the dog and the amount it does
pee on a regular walk, it simply must have Tardis-like
interior.

Some people equate size of dog with energy, which
is a mistake. Hers is a Dachsund / Jack Russell
cross, with legs about 6" long.

After 45 mins walking, it is becoming bored with
smells, and wants to be social with other dogs.
It takes 2/3 hours for is to become tired.

When chasing a tennis ball across a football pitch
it can hit 24mph, with a spine like a cheetah's.
It didn't even notice the GPS receiver attached to
its harness


A friend of mine has a Saluki (hers in photo here):

https://imgur.com/a/7tdY8hl

which according to wiki:

"In 1996, The Guinness Book of Records listed a Saluki as being the
fastest dog, capable of reaching a speed of 68.8 km/h (42.8 mph)."

Despite being bred for raw speed they're an affable and reserved dog,
not that rambunctious and apparently somewhat easier to care for than
some more common breeds. Sometimes ribcage is easily seen thru the skin
like the dog is starving but I'm told that's normal in healthy Salukis.

We have a Saluki - a lovely dog (rescue from the far east) - and a great
family dog. Lord she loves to run! She first bounds into the air like a
gazelle when she heads into the yard for her morning squirrel
inspection... I have a video somewhere if anyone cares.

I'd read that Salukis were just slightly slower (like 1MPH slower) than
Greyhounds, however I trust Guinness more that Wikipedia.

John :-#)#

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 9:57:58 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:

On Friday, October 18, 2019 at 9:15:14 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:
Years ago I read a study, which showed that all
animals, whether large or small, need 37 seconds
to pee (fully empty their bladder). When I take
our dog out for his nightly emptying, and he only
takes about 5 seconds, I know we have a problem.
If I wait until 10:30, we get more, but tonight
at 9pm, that's all we got. Sometimes I can meet
the 37-second rule, but if not, what's that mean?


--
Thanks,
- Win

I was at the Belle Star* ~18 years old. They had all
these great blues acts... it might have been Muddy Waters
or James Cotton (both) any way I had a great spot and when
my bladder forced me to leave, I remember leaning on the
urinal and thinking..
"dang, I might be able to go on peeing forever"

Well you brought up animals and pee.

Maybe even longer, with an enlarged prostrate gland.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 19/10/19 18:14, bitrex wrote:

On 10/19/19 3:14 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 19/10/19 02:15, Winfield Hill wrote:
  Years ago I read a study, which showed that all
  animals, whether large or small, need 37 seconds
  to pee (fully empty their bladder).  When I take
  our dog out for his nightly emptying, and he only
  takes about 5 seconds, I know we have a problem.
  If I wait until 10:30, we get more, but tonight
  at 9pm, that's all we got.  Sometimes I can meet
  the 37-second rule, but if not, what's that mean?

Take him for a walk, and note the (exponential?)
curves of pee duration and time between successive
pees. Make predictions.

Daughter's dog has a cast iron bladder. If it is
raining and isn't out for a walk, won't voluntarily
go outside until the early/mid afternoon.

Given the size of the dog and the amount it does
pee on a regular walk, it simply must have Tardis-like
interior.

Some people equate size of dog with energy, which
is a mistake. Hers is a Dachsund / Jack Russell
cross, with legs about 6" long.

After 45 mins walking, it is becoming bored with
smells, and wants to be social with other dogs.
It takes 2/3 hours for is to become tired.

When chasing a tennis ball across a football pitch
it can hit 24mph, with a spine like a cheetah's.
It didn't even notice the GPS receiver attached to
its harness


A friend of mine has a Saluki (hers in photo here):

https://imgur.com/a/7tdY8hl

which according to wiki:

"In 1996, The Guinness Book of Records listed a Saluki as being the fastest dog,
capable of reaching a speed of 68.8 km/h (42.8 mph)."

Despite being bred for raw speed they're an affable and reserved dog, not that
rambunctious and apparently somewhat easier to care for than some more common
breeds. Sometimes ribcage is easily seen thru the skin like the dog is starving
but I'm told that's normal in healthy Salukis.

I'm told they are nice animals, but maybe they need decent
exercise. (I've been behind a husky pack that I didn't want
to touch. /After/ their run they were delightful to handle)

It looks like a Saluki's belly is about 14" off the ground.
I've just measured my daughter's dog, and its belly is only
4" off the ground. 24mph ain't bad for such short legs

 

[Piotr Wyderski]

Michael Terrell wrote:

> Maybe even longer, with an enlarged prostrate gland.

Then this is PWM.

Best regards, Piotr

 

[Joerg]

On 2019-10-18 19:11, Winfield Hill wrote:

Bill Sloman wrote...

On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 12:15:14 PM UTC+11, Winfield Hill wrote:
Years ago I read a study, which showed that all
animals, whether large or small, need 37 seconds
to pee (fully empty their bladder). When I take
our dog out for his nightly emptying, and he only
takes about 5 seconds, I know we have a problem.
If I wait until 10:30, we get more, but tonight
at 9pm, that's all we got. Sometimes I can meet
the 37-second rule, but if not, what's that mean?

The dog isn't emptying it's bladder. It is using
its> urine to mark it's territory.

Males do that but only very few females do. Male humans have an
essentially similar behavior except they use tools to mark. Or big
muscle cars.

Yes, I know that, but he's not going to get to go
out for another 10 to 12 hours. ...

Wow, that's what I call a good night's sleep! I don't think our older
Labradors could hold it that long.

The new guy (an Entlebucher Mountain Dog) could but he pees only little
before bedtime. It all seems to go into his "marking savings account"
for the walk next morning. He leaves notes every hundred yards, for 2-3
miles.

... We don't want to
hear anything about it, during the night.

When dogs get older you may not hear it but you can see and smell it in
the morning

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/