Syliva is right, in QLD anyway, the small claims process has itsOn 17/07/2011 1:19 PM, Dave Goldfinch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:19:34 +1000, Sylvia Else
syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 16/07/2011 7:46 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2011-07-15, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
One of mine has suffered some sort of leak from the condenser which now
makes a loud buzzing noise. Probably oil, I suppose. Anyway it looks
pretty terminal, and the thing is 10 years old, so I started calling to
get quotes to replace the entire unit.
The refeigerant in them is mixed with the libricant oil, so if it's
leaking oil it's pretty sick and needs attention.
may not be terminal, depends on the cause.
Unfortunately it is - severe corrosion.
Caused by a design flaw that means that driving rain drains into the
condenser compartment, there to be absorbed by the insulation around the
condenser, thus creating the perfect environment for the dreaded oxide
formation.
This is a ten year old Daikin model. The replacement will be of another
brand, 'cos they don't deserve brand loyalty after perpetrating that.
Sylvia.
I couldn't agree more about Daikin - I have had two units die because
geckos got into the exterior unit and died on top of the PCBs. Daikin
will not honour the warranty if the problem is due to 'vermin'.
I possibly had a similar problem some years back (on the other example I
have of the model that's failed on me), with a circuit board suffering
some strange component failures, and there was a dead spider present. I
was able to repair the board, fortunately. Daikin never did respond to
my enquiry about the price of a replacement board. Of course, I'll be
salvaging the board from the failed one, so I'll have a spare now.
I would suggest that if vermin are able to access the sensitive bits,
then the product is not fit for purpose and therefor not fit for sale.
However I know that it would be a long and costly process to fight
them.
I agree about the fitness argument. Actually, the small claims tribunals
are not so expensive to use, and you don't need lawyers. If the unit
fails due to vermin entry during its warranty period, I think Daikin, or
any other supplier, would fold as soon as they saw the application to
the tribunal.
Equally, I could go to the tribunal in respect of the corrosion, but on
a ten year old unit, it's questionable how much damage the tribunal
would find I'd actually suffered, even if it found that Daikin was at
fault, and Daikin would likely to be sufficiently stubborn to resist
anything more than a nominal payout beforehand. It doesn't help that
suppliers tend to think (wrongly) that their own warranty period is the
final word on how long their responsibility lasts.
Still, if Daikin are reading this, and want to pacify me with the offer
of a free replacement unit (I'll pay the installation cost), I'm
willing, and I'll then post about how Daikin did the right thing by me
Sylvia.
They do? Even for pre-charged systems? Those come with instructions
and the so-called compensation - quoted as $10.10 (per week) for theOn Jul 17, 11:51 am, "Metro" <Home@home> wrote:
The way things are going in this country - you should get a wood
stove.
At least this can be easily serviced and operated, and immune to
blackouts
as long as you have the wood available.
Probably be hit for carbon tax for creating pollution ?
I don't know what they could do there. Put a tax on firewood, or on
wood stoves ?
What if you cut the wood yourself or buy it privately ?
Where we are, they have become popular with the high price of
electricity.
From an environmental point of view, even the dirtiest commercial
electricity has to be cleaner
than home wood stoves and heaters.
Then again, as we know, the carbon tax has nothing to do with reducing
pollution, that is just a front
in order to try and get people to accept it
Makes no difference.
Double-box slow combustion wood-fired heaters have a smaller carbonOn Jul 17, 11:51 am, "Metro" <Home@home> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 12:11 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 16/07/2011 11:30 AM, kreed wrote:
On Jul 15, 9:59 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
One of mine has suffered some sort of leak from the condenser which now
makes a loud buzzing noise. Probably oil, I suppose. Anyway it looks
pretty terminal, and the thing is 10 years old, so I started calling to
get quotes to replace the entire unit.
So far, of the two companies I've been able to contact, one says they
no
longer do residential work, and the other says the earliest they can
come is next Friday.
OK, so it's cold, and people will be calling about their broken reverse
cycle airconditioners - running it in heating mode is after all how I
found out that mine had a problem. Even so, I'm surprised at the lack
of
people making a dash for my door. I'd have thought summer was the time
when airconditioning companys would be run off their feet.
Maybe I'll just use a fan heater and wait until October.
Sylvia.
Normal where I live too. You are lucky if anyone even shows up.
If it is a through the wall unit, you will probably have to change it
yourself.
It's not a through wall unit, it's a split system. So that aspect of
things shouldn't be such a problem.
Sylvia.
I guess the through the wall system has one advantage, if you are out
of town, and no one will come
to fix it, you can at least remove it yourself and replace it, or take
it in for service.
Split system, you have to know about refrigeration and have the gear
if you are going to install it yourself.
The way things are going in this country - you should get a wood
stove.
At least this can be easily serviced and operated, and immune to
blackouts
as long as you have the wood available.
Probably be hit for carbon tax for creating pollution ?
I don't know what they could do there. Put a tax on firewood, or on
wood stoves ?
What if you cut the wood yourself or buy it privately ?
I remember those. They would remove the instructions and the pipe from
On 17/07/2011 1:14 PM, kreed wrote:
On Jul 17, 11:51 am, "Metro" <Home@home> wrote:
"kreed" <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:59a623cf-7d91-4615-8288-4e64c62d5488@m3g2000pre.googlegroups.com....
On Jul 16, 12:11 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 16/07/2011 11:30 AM, kreed wrote:
On Jul 15, 9:59 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
One of mine has suffered some sort of leak from the condenser which now
makes a loud buzzing noise. Probably oil, I suppose. Anyway it looks
pretty terminal, and the thing is 10 years old, so I started calling to
get quotes to replace the entire unit.
So far, of the two companies I've been able to contact, one says they
no
longer do residential work, and the other says the earliest they can
come is next Friday.
OK, so it's cold, and people will be calling about their broken reverse
cycle airconditioners - running it in heating mode is after all how I
found out that mine had a problem. Even so, I'm surprised at the lack
of
people making a dash for my door. I'd have thought summer was the time
when airconditioning companys would be run off their feet.
Maybe I'll just use a fan heater and wait until October.
Sylvia.
Normal where I live too. You are lucky if anyone even shows up.
If it is a through the wall unit, you will probably have to change it
yourself.
It's not a through wall unit, it's a split system. So that aspect of
things shouldn't be such a problem.
Sylvia.
I guess the through the wall system has one advantage, if you are out
of town, and no one will come
to fix it, you can at least remove it yourself and replace it, or take
it in for service.
Split system, you have to know about refrigeration and have the gear
if you are going to install it yourself.
The way things are going in this country - you should get a wood
stove.
At least this can be easily serviced and operated, and immune to
blackouts
as long as you have the wood available.
Probably be hit for carbon tax for creating pollution ?
I don't know what they could do there. Put a tax on firewood, or on
wood stoves ?
What if you cut the wood yourself or buy it privately ?
Double-box slow combustion wood-fired heaters have a smaller carbon
footprint than current electrical or natural gas heating systems.
There are also particle emmission regulations (in NSW) to be met if you
are installing one.
Maybe they should be taxing NPWS whenm a bushfire happens.
Where we are, they have become popular with the high price of
electricity.
From an environmental point of view, even the dirtiest commercial
electricity has to be cleaner
than home wood stoves and heaters.
Then again, as we know, the carbon tax has nothing to do with reducing
pollution, that is just a front
in order to try and get people to accept it
Strictly speaking, the regulations say "in a building" not "on a
I've seen portable split systems, instead of copper pipes they use hoses
Same. I think they're permanently conected, but it is a split system that
I think I have seen them, the pipes were enclosed in white plastic
Times appear to have changed. I sent an email to a company yesterday,
