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NOTHING to "absorb", IF there is a thermal cut-out that is a BIG clueOn Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:56:51 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
rickman wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them. I
had always read that you should not operate them with nothing to absorb
the energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what
the ovens were designed to get rid of.
STUPID!
Microwave ovens *generate* (microwave) energy and cannot "get rid" of
any of that.
It boils down to how much of a load mis-match (SWR) can the magnetron
("maggie") tolerate.
Nothing will "break", but the maggie may burn out.
There is a block to absorb the energy that comes back. It should have a
thermal cutout on it.
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars, toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:56:51 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
rickman wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them. I
had always read that you should not operate them with nothing to absorb
the energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what
the ovens were designed to get rid of.
STUPID!
Microwave ovens *generate* (microwave) energy and cannot "get rid" of
any of that.
It boils down to how much of a load mis-match (SWR) can the magnetron
("maggie") tolerate.
Nothing will "break", but the maggie may burn out.
There is a block to absorb the energy that comes back. It should have a
thermal cutout on it.
NOTHING to "absorb", IF there is a thermal cut-out that is a BIG clue
to that fact.
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars, toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more on the
production?
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars, toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process. Most costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price. Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars, toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process. Most costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price. Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars, toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process. Most costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price. Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most likely or
you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling gravel.
Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with the
selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer, the
$100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf space
costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting the
store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied up in the
goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit is the
only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to shift and
sell fewer.
Do you really not see this?
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:48:34 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to
absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars, toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process. Most costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price.
Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also
goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most likely or
you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling gravel.
Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with the
selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer, the
$100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf space
costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting the
store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied up in the
goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit is the
only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to shift and
sell fewer.
Do you really not see this?
I would imagine they both sit on the shelf for the same amount of time, or
they're badly priced.
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:56 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:48:34 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to
absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars, toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process. Most costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price.
Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also
goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most likely or
you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling gravel.
Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with the
selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer, the
$100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf space
costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting the
store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied up in the
goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit is the
only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to shift and
sell fewer.
Do you really not see this?
I would imagine they both sit on the shelf for the same amount of time, or
they're badly priced.
shrug> Ok, I suppose you know more than the retailers.
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:33:26 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:56 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:48:34 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with
testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to
absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that
miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven
without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every
fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars,
toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more
on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost
means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process. Most
costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price.
Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also
goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most likely or
you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling
gravel.
Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with the
selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer, the
$100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf space
costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting the
store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied up in
the
goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit is the
only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to shift and
sell fewer.
Do you really not see this?
I would imagine they both sit on the shelf for the same amount of time, or
they're badly priced.
shrug> Ok, I suppose you know more than the retailers.
Tell me why they want to make fuck all on cheaper ones that take up the same
store space.
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 6:45 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:33:26 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:56 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:48:34 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with
testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to
absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that
miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven
without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every
fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars,
toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more
on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost
means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process. Most
costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price.
Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also
goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most likely or
you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling
gravel.
Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with the
selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer, the
$100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf space
costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting the
store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied up in
the
goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit is the
only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to shift and
sell fewer.
Do you really not see this?
I would imagine they both sit on the shelf for the same amount of time, or
they're badly priced.
shrug> Ok, I suppose you know more than the retailers.
Tell me why they want to make fuck all on cheaper ones that take up the same
store space.
Why does a supermarket sell name brand and store brand at a much lower
price? Why do they sell luxury cars and economy cars? If they make the
same profit on every car regardless of selling price, why bother with the
expensive ones?
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:59:45 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 6:45 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:33:26 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:56 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:48:34 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing
in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with
testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in
them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to
absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what
the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that
miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal
cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven
without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every
fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars,
toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more
on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost
means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process. Most
costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price.
Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also
goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system
if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling
microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most likely or
you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling
gravel.
Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with the
selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer,
the
$100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf space
costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting the
store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied up in
the
goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit
is the
only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to shift and
sell fewer.
Do you really not see this?
I would imagine they both sit on the shelf for the same amount of time, or
they're badly priced.
shrug> Ok, I suppose you know more than the retailers.
Tell me why they want to make fuck all on cheaper ones that take up the same
store space.
Why does a supermarket sell name brand and store brand at a much lower
price? Why do they sell luxury cars and economy cars? If they make the
same profit on every car regardless of selling price, why bother with the
expensive ones?
Half their customers like expensive goods, half like cheap goods. It
doubles the sales if you provide both.
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/31/2017 6:39 AM:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:59:45 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 6:45 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:33:26 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:56 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:48:34 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail..com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing
in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with
testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in
them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to
absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what
the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves that
miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal
cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven
without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every
fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars,
toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more
on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost
means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process.. Most
costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price.
Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also
goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system
if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling
microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most likely or
you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling
gravel.
Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with the
selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer,
the
$100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf space
costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting the
store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied up in
the
goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit
is the
only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to shift and
sell fewer.
Do you really not see this?
I would imagine they both sit on the shelf for the same amount of time, or
they're badly priced.
shrug> Ok, I suppose you know more than the retailers.
Tell me why they want to make fuck all on cheaper ones that take up the same
store space.
Why does a supermarket sell name brand and store brand at a much lower
price? Why do they sell luxury cars and economy cars? If they make the
same profit on every car regardless of selling price, why bother with the
expensive ones?
Half their customers like expensive goods, half like cheap goods. It
doubles the sales if you provide both.
So they don't care if they have to inventory a lot more dollars for the same
return? You don't understand retail.
Let's say I have a shop with shelf space for 500 microwaves. If the
expensive ones make me Ł50 and the cheap ones make me Ł10, I ain't
gonna sell the cheap ones.
On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 04:44:33 -0000, rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/31/2017 6:39 AM:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:59:45 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 6:45 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:33:26 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:56 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:48:34 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 3:34 PM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:31:14 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/30/2017 9:37 AM:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:39:04 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 03:59:42 -0000, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 03:49:55 -0000, rickman <gnuarm@gmail..com
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote on 12/11/2017 11:50 AM:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:07:43 -0000, Mary-Jane Rottencrotch
usenet@buttocks.local> wrote:
On 2007-01-19 12:13, Peter Fucker wrote:
Is it really true that turning on a microwave with nothing
in it
will
break it?
Derp.
It was a sensible question. This could be done by accident.
I interviewed with a place once that was doing something with
testing
microwave ovens. They ran them all the time with nothing in
them.
I had
always read that you should not operate them with nothing to
absorb the
energy and mentioned that. I got a strange look from the guy.
Obviously
the energy that would be absorbed is within the limits of what
the
ovens
were designed to get rid of.
You'd think there would be something that absorbs microwaves
that
miss
the food. And you'd think such a thing would have a thermal
cutout.
Anybody want to try it?
IDIOT!
ain't nuttin that "absorbs" the energy.
Ask how the maggie works with highly mis-matched loads (hi
SWR).
I went for an interview in a place that designed industrial
strength
magnetron. There IS a block to absorb energy. A microwave oven
without
one is VERY badly designed.
Rule of thumb or any commercial (= = volume) item is: for every
fifty
cent cost to make, selling price must go up by five dollars (cars,
toys,
etc).
Industrial grade magge-powered ovens cost a lot more than the
over
the counter el-cheapos that the great unwashed buy.
Why would you need to make $4.50 extra because you spend $0.50 more
on the
production?
I don't know that it is 10 to 1, but the $0.50 higher production cost
means
the price is elevated at each step of the distribution process..
Most
costs
of handling, storage, promotion and retailing are allocated by price.
Raise
the price from the manufacturer by 10% and the final sale price also
goes up
10%, not the exact dollar rise of manufacturing.
It costs no more to shift a microwave oven through the retail system
if a
component inside it costs $0.50 more. If I was a shop selling
microwaves,
I'd want a fixed profit per unit, not a percentage.
But you are not a shop selling microwaves or anything else most
likely or
you'd be out of business quickly. I suppose you might do OK selling
gravel.
Virtually every retail establishment has costs which *do* vary with the
selling price of a unit. Which do you think sits on the shelf longer,
the
$100 microwave "marked down" to $69 or the $399 unit? That shelf space
costs money, advertising costs money, heating, cooling and lighting the
store costs money. Sometimes the store has their own capital tied
up in
the
goods (not Walmart, it's yours until it is sold) and a higher profit
is the
only reason for selling higher priced goods that take longer to
shift and
sell fewer.
Do you really not see this?
I would imagine they both sit on the shelf for the same amount of
time, or
they're badly priced.
shrug> Ok, I suppose you know more than the retailers.
Tell me why they want to make fuck all on cheaper ones that take up the
same
store space.
Why does a supermarket sell name brand and store brand at a much lower
price? Why do they sell luxury cars and economy cars? If they make the
same profit on every car regardless of selling price, why bother with the
expensive ones?
Half their customers like expensive goods, half like cheap goods. It
doubles the sales if you provide both.
So they don't care if they have to inventory a lot more dollars for the same
return? You don't understand retail.
Let's say I have a shop with shelf space for 500 microwaves. If the
expensive ones make me Ł50 and the cheap ones make me Ł10, I ain't gonna
sell the cheap ones.
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Let's say I have a shop with shelf space for 500 microwaves. If the
expensive ones make me Ł50 and the cheap ones make me Ł10, I ain't
gonna sell the cheap ones.
You aren't going to sell much of anything. People will go elsewhere
to by their microwave,
and take their other business with them. First of
all, it would be foolish to put out 500 units on retail shelves.
Secondly, a lot of people who buy high end items don't go to a retail
store. They call a service company, tell them what they want. It is
delivered, and installed.
The old one is hauled off as part of the
price. The seller's reputation is on the line for quality, so most of
the profit comes from the labor, not the markup.
I just bought a new microwave. It was a high end model that was
closed out for $60. The original price was $160. How much profit was
lost after that $100 discount?
BTW, that is the first new microwave that I've ever bought. I've
used them for 35 years, and I only paid $2 for a good used one, once.
The rest were repaired, mostly with used parts.
Another example of silly marketing. I worked at a TV shop as a
teenager. They sold new and used Color TVs, and new B&W, but no used.
The owner gave me all the B&W trade ins that I sold from my home. I sold
more TVs than he did, and most weeks I sold more in used B&W than he did
in color sets.
Let's say I have a shop with shelf space for 500 microwaves. If the
expensive ones make me Ł50 and the cheap ones make me Ł10, I ain't gonna
sell the cheap ones.
Like I said, you don't understand retail. You may only make 10 on the low
priced ovens, but if you sell 10 of those for every 1 of the high priced
oven you will still carry the low priced oven because you will make more
money than if you don't. You will still carry the high priced oven because
you can make more money than if you don't. The fact that you have 50 of the
cheap ovens on the shelf doesn't mean you will sell more of them than if you
had 40 cheap ovens and 10 of the expensive ovens sitting on the shelf.
There are many factors you don't seem to understand.
People are funny. A fellow I knew sold items at a farmers market. One
day he tried to sell cantalopes for $ .25 and not selling many, he
marked that out and put up a sign of 3/$ 1.00. Sold almost all of them
at that price even though they cost more.
In article <p2eahv$e3b$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com
says...
Let's say I have a shop with shelf space for 500 microwaves. If the
expensive ones make me Ł50 and the cheap ones make me Ł10, I ain't gonna
sell the cheap ones.
Like I said, you don't understand retail. You may only make 10 on the low
priced ovens, but if you sell 10 of those for every 1 of the high priced
oven you will still carry the low priced oven because you will make more
money than if you don't. You will still carry the high priced oven because
you can make more money than if you don't. The fact that you have 50 of the
cheap ovens on the shelf doesn't mean you will sell more of them than if you
had 40 cheap ovens and 10 of the expensive ovens sitting on the shelf.
There are many factors you don't seem to understand.
About 60 years ago a couple of men started a grocery store with one
store. Their idea was to make 5 fast penneys instead of one slow
nickle. That turned into the Food Lion chain of stores. Made lots of
people in a small town of about 20,000 people millionairs. I was a
stock boy during part of that time and remember going to almost every
item in the store (with others) and marking down each item. This was
before bar codes and every item had to be hand marked. In that town and
several small towns around there are several Food Lion stores, Wallmart,
and two other stores toget groceries at as their main item. The A@P,
Winn-Dixie chains folded years ago.
On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 19:02:10 -0000, Michael A Terrell
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Let's say I have a shop with shelf space for 500 microwaves. If
the expensive ones make me Ł50 and the cheap ones make me Ł10, I
ain't gonna sell the cheap ones.
You aren't going to sell much of anything. People will go
elsewhere to by their microwave,
No, because the moron next door is marking up the expensive ones too
much, so everyone buying decent ovens comes to me.
and take their other business with them. First of
all, it would be foolish to put out 500 units on retail shelves.
Give reasoning. There might be 500 different models, anyway it was a
figure plucked out of thin air. I'd probably be selling other devices
and wouldn't have room for 500.
Secondly, a lot of people who buy high end items don't go to a retail
store. They call a service company, tell them what they want. It is
delivered, and installed.
Only if you're a complete numpty that can't plug in something as
simple as a microwave oven.
The old one is hauled off as part of the
price. The seller's reputation is on the line for quality, so most of
the profit comes from the labor, not the markup.
I just bought a new microwave. It was a high end model that was
closed out for $60. The original price was $160. How much profit was
lost after that $100 discount?
Who knows, they were cutting losses as they couldn't get rid of them.
BTW, that is the first new microwave that I've ever bought. I've
used them for 35 years, and I only paid $2 for a good used one, once.
The rest were repaired, mostly with used parts.
I bought one for Ł30 once. Basic model. The rest were free second
hand. Mainly due to idiots replacing perfectly working devices. It's
the same reason 2nd hand cars are so cheap, people pay Ł30,000 for a
new car, then sell it for half that after a couple of years.
Complete and utter fools.
Another example of silly marketing. I worked at a TV shop as a
teenager. They sold new and used Color TVs, and new B&W, but no used.
The owner gave me all the B&W trade ins that I sold from my home. I
sold more TVs than he did, and most weeks I sold more in used B&W
than he did in color sets.
If he was only going to make a few dollars for each used BnW sale,
then he was right not to bother. Why waste shop space?