Only one EV charger at home?!...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis..me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a limiter. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t. The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

 

[Andrew]

On 16/04/2023 19:44, Colin Bignell wrote:

On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks.  240V, 100A.  Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you can
draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract with
the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

And lots of older properties, notably in rural areas where a single
pair of L+N cables supplies a pair of houses and they are divided on
the front wall of the properties. I suspect these properties cannot
have storage heaters or an EV.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis..me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a limiter. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t. The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:10:41 +0100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 19:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you can
draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract with
the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

And lots of older properties, notably in rural areas where a single
pair of L+N cables supplies a pair of houses and they are divided on
the front wall of the properties. I suspect these properties cannot
have storage heaters or an EV.

You overdo it until the wire burns out, then they come replace it with something bigger.

 

[Colin Bignell]

On 16/04/2023 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means
they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks.  240V, 100A.  Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a limiter. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.

That is a mere assumption on your part.

The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast
you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

\'They\' don\'t want anybody to exceed the capacity of the incomer.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them was.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

--
Colin Bignell

 

[Colin Bignell]

On 16/04/2023 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:02:52 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means
they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks.  240V, 100A.  Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a
limiter. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.

That is a mere assumption on your part.

We\'re talking about domestic premises.  Funnily enough I have a domestic
premises.

Which does not qualify you to say what is or is not inside the
electricity meter.

The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast
you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

\'They\' don\'t want anybody to exceed the capacity of the incomer.

My point exactly, the wire is what matters, not the fuse or contract.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there
was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them was.

Ah, they don\'t do that in the UK.

I used to work in the electricity supply industry and I can assure you
that each Board (as it was then) put a unique impression on their seals.


In the USA, they actually put a

number inside them.  Probably easy enoguh to make one, it\'s just a bit
of yellow paper.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

--
Colin Bignell

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:02:52 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis..me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means
they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a limiter.. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.

That is a mere assumption on your part.

We\'re talking about domestic premises. Funnily enough I have a domestic premises.

The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast
you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

\'They\' don\'t want anybody to exceed the capacity of the incomer.

My point exactly, the wire is what matters, not the fuse or contract.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them was.

Ah, they don\'t do that in the UK. In the USA, they actually put a number inside them. Probably easy enoguh to make one, it\'s just a bit of yellow paper.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:02:52 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis..me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means
they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a limiter.. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.

That is a mere assumption on your part.

We\'re talking about domestic premises. Funnily enough I have a domestic premises.

The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast
you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

\'They\' don\'t want anybody to exceed the capacity of the incomer.

My point exactly, the wire is what matters, not the fuse or contract.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them was.

Ah, they don\'t do that in the UK. In the USA, they actually put a number inside them. Probably easy enoguh to make one, it\'s just a bit of yellow paper.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:02:52 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis..me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means
they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a limiter.. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.

That is a mere assumption on your part.

We\'re talking about domestic premises. Funnily enough I have a domestic premises.

The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast
you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

\'They\' don\'t want anybody to exceed the capacity of the incomer.

My point exactly, the wire is what matters, not the fuse or contract.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them was.

Ah, they don\'t do that in the UK. In the USA, they actually put a number inside them. Probably easy enoguh to make one, it\'s just a bit of yellow paper.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:02:52 +0100, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> That is a mere assumption on your part.

No, idiotic troll-feeding senile asshole, it\'s mere trolling and endless
baiting for attention on his part!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:59:54 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis..me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:02:52 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means
they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a
limiter. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.

That is a mere assumption on your part.

We\'re talking about domestic premises. Funnily enough I have a domestic
premises.

Which does not qualify you to say what is or is not inside the
electricity meter.

Yes it does, since I have observed it. I know it only logs usage. Pre-smart meters, the only output was a number, how many units used since it was installed.

The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast
you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

\'They\' don\'t want anybody to exceed the capacity of the incomer.

My point exactly, the wire is what matters, not the fuse or contract.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there
was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them was.

Ah, they don\'t do that in the UK.

I used to work in the electricity supply industry and I can assure you
that each Board (as it was then) put a unique impression on their seals.

Interestingly wrong, since there is no impression here.

In the USA, they actually put a
number inside them. Probably easy enoguh to make one, it\'s just a bit
of yellow paper.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-04-16 22:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means
they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks.  240V, 100A.  Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a limiter. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.  The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast
you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

Certainly. Here they charge you more the faster your contract is. You
want 15A? Fine. You want 30A? Fine, pay double. And you also pay for
what you actually consume. We are greedy over here.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

We did not touch the seals, we rewired the cables in the back, where
they are not visible.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[T]

On 4/16/23 00:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:

https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.  You can easily run two 7kW chargers, in
fact three if you\'re not using much power for anything else.  Why are
people so stupid?  7 x 2 = 14, well under 24.  7 x 3 = 21, just under 24.

Kinsey may have answered it above, but ...

Is it just me or can the utility provide the current
and can your house wiring sustain it?

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 2:12:10 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell <c...@bignellremovethis..me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF? A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.
Bollocks. 240V, 100A. Never seen anything else.

Funny, the rest of the UK uses 230V. I wonder where he lives exactly?

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Colin Bignell]

On 17/04/2023 00:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:59:54 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:02:52 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which
means
they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In
this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both
cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks.  240V, 100A.  Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your
contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for
the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a
limiter. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.

That is a mere assumption on your part.

We\'re talking about domestic premises.  Funnily enough I have a domestic
premises.

Which does not qualify you to say what is or is not inside the
electricity meter.

Yes it does, since I have observed it.  I know it only logs usage.
Pre-smart meters, the only output was a number, how many units used
since it was installed.

So, you have only looked at the outside and not checked whether it is
fitted with any sort of internal overload cut-out. The rating of this
meter as 40A max implies that there should be something of the sort, as
other meters have different maximum ratings:

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-domestic-electricity-meter-bawdsey-suffolk-uk-22334841.html?imageid=B767388E-A7C4-4A6B-8B82-FC0CF940F3D2&p=71517&pn=1&searchId=28437009718bb087080c91e08fe24b06&searchtype=0

The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast
you were using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

\'They\' don\'t want anybody to exceed the capacity of the incomer.

My point exactly, the wire is what matters, not the fuse or contract.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above
your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there
was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti
tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason
they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them
was.

Ah, they don\'t do that in the UK.

I used to work in the electricity supply industry and I can assure you
that each Board (as it was then) put a unique impression on their seals.

Interestingly wrong, since there is no impression here.

Correct for the period when I worked in the industry and the meter
readers were Electricity Board employees, who visited every three
months. With meter reading now sub-contracted out, I doubt anybody
checks the seals, so marking them is probably redundant.

In the USA, they actually put a
number inside them.  Probably easy enoguh to make one, it\'s just a bit
of yellow paper.

The typical contract here for a flat is 3.6 KW. I think the max is
around 15 or 18.

--
Colin Bignell

 

[Colin Bignell]

On 16/04/2023 20:06, Martin Brown wrote:

On 16/04/2023 18:18, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means
they will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In
this scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both
cars charge at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in
other words half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Although that may be true the master fuse is typically one of 60A, 80A
or most recently 100A depending on the age of the property or whether
the master fusing has been upgraded to cope with an electric car.

My domestic mains is 60A or ~14kW. Some neighbours are on 40A ~10kW.
Three phase is not available in my village.

A wet string area, as it was known to the engineers when I worked in the
industry, implying that the overhead wires might as well be wet string
for all their capacity. However, in the days when the only electricity
uses in the home were lighting (probably a single 40W* bulb in each
room) and a radio, 40A was more than generous.

*When he came back from the war my father upgraded the 25W light bulbs
my mother had installed to 40W. For somebody used to oil lamps, 25W was
bright enough.

You can easily run two 7kW chargers, in fact three if you\'re not
using much power for anything else.  Why are people so stupid?  7 x 2
= 14, well under 24.  7 x 3 = 21, just under 24.

It may amuse some to know that my MP who is also now our UK PM and
incredibly rich had to have the local electricity network upgraded to
power his swimming pool which will cost £13k/year to heat.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/20612012.rishi-sunaks-huge-swimming-pool-north-yorkshire-pictured/

Ironic in a country where public swimming pools are shutting down
because they simply cannot afford the heating costs!

--
Colin Bignell

 

[Martin Brown]

On 16/04/2023 22:02, Colin Bignell wrote:

On 16/04/2023 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:32:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 20:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-04-16 20:44, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 16/04/2023 19:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:18:20 +0100, Colin Bignell
cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 08:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which
means they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge
at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words
half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.

The most common UK domestic contract is for a 17kVA supply.

Bollocks.  240V, 100A.  Never seen anything else.

There are also 80A and 60A main breakers, but the limit to what you
can draw is not what the circuit is rated for, but what your contract
with the electricity supply company specifies you can have.

Do you have some kind of hardware enforcing the limit?

I didn\'t work in the Commercial section, which was responsible for the
meter and company fuses, so I don\'t know whether there was a limiter. As
the standing charges were based upon the contracted supply, I assume
there must have been some way to enforce it.

There isn\'t.

That is a mere assumption on your part.

The meters only monitor how much you\'ve used, not how fast you were
using it.

They want you to use more, so they make more money!

\'They\' don\'t want anybody to exceed the capacity of the incomer.

The incomers in even quite old houses from the 1970\'s are typically good
for 100A though they are like mine often fused at 60A or 80A. Our VH has
exactly the same cabling and 100A on each of the two available phases.

I expect just like with he 13A fuse in practice the nominal 100A fuse
will pass a considerably higher current for a while before it fails.

The local network cables rely on load diversity which can be a source of
trouble when everyone puts the kettle on at half time on a Wembley final
day. It may well spell problems for fast charging cars overnight too
when they become more common.

For instance, in Spain the smart meter triggers if you draw above your
contract and switches off the whole house. In older times, there was an
electromagnetic current limiter switch, installed with an anti tamper
lead seal, which of course, was tampered with. Which is a reason they
installed smart meters in the whole country real fast.

In theory, the meter reader was supposed to check the lead seals on
every visit, but it wasn\'t often done in practice unless the property
was flagged as needing particular attention.

You can buy lead seals on Ebay.

The seals were never a problem. Having the right impression on them was.

That wouldn\'t be very difficult to fake if you were so inclined.

--
Martin Brown

 

[SteveW]

On 17/04/2023 02:53, T wrote:

On 4/16/23 00:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/features/do-you-need-two-home-charge-points-if-you-have-two-evs/

\"Some products will have the ability to “load share”, which means they
will communicate with each if two vehicles are plugged in. In this
scenario, they will evenly split the power available so both cars
charge at the same rate, but this will be at around 3-3.6kW – in other
words half of the available 7.4kW from the supply.\"

WTF?  A UK home supply is 24kW.  You can easily run two 7kW chargers,
in fact three if you\'re not using much power for anything else.  Why
are people so stupid?  7 x 2 = 14, well under 24.  7 x 3 = 21, just
under 24.

Kinsey may have answered it above, but ...

Is it just me or can the utility provide the current
and can your house wiring sustain it?

That\'s the problem. The 100A (or lower) supply is based on the
assumption of relatively short duration peak load and longer periods of
partial load, not long, large, continuous loads.

Car chargers run for many hours at a time, so two or three of those,
plus washing machine and tumble dryer (moved to night time for a cheaper
tariff), electric heaters, immersion heater and the possibility of the
electric oven and hob (according to my son, it\'s not unusual for
households with students to be baking cakes at 4am, after the
night-club!), plus someone getting up early and using the 10kW electric
shower and you have a load that the supply cable was never meant to take
continuously, plus a higher than normal peak to an already stressed supply.

As well as that, if every house has something along those lines, the
entire street supply will be over-stretched.

There is a reason for car charger installations having to be notified to
the DNO - most households have no comparably large loads that run for
such extended periods.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:59:54 +0100, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Which does not qualify you to say what is or is not inside the
electricity meter.

As a troll he\'s qualified to say ANYTHING, you idiotic troll-feeding senile
shithead!

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 08:45:27 +0100, Colin Bignell, an especially retarded
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Correct for the period when I worked in the industry and the meter
readers were Electricity Board employees, who visited every three
months. With meter reading now sub-contracted out, I doubt anybody
checks the seals, so marking them is probably redundant.

Yeah, times have changed, now that you have become a troll-feeding senile
asshole on Usenet, haven\'t they? <BG>