OK, ladies and gentlemen, put on your Thinking Caps...

[Josh S]

In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.

 

[Rodan]

Hachiroku wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm. I don't want the
expense of installing a real alarm, but I want something.
_______________________________________________

"Josh S" wrote:

You need an engine disabler. Alarms just disturb others.
_______________________________________________

You could install an engine enabler. Insert a normally
open pushbutton switch in the line from the ignition
switch to the starter solenoid. Mount the new switch
in some inconspicuous place such as under the dash.

You will have to press the pushbutton while turning the
key to the start position to start the car. Unless a
car thief knows about the pushbutton, he can't start
the car by breaking the key lock. He can't even start
the car if you leave the keys in the ignition.

Good luck.

Rodan.

 

[Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:

In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing
a real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.

They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...

 

[dgk]

On 17 Aug 2007 22:20:25 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

In article <Z9sxi.58$A57.2@trnddc04>, GoMavs <Mav@ericks.com> wrote:
a viper.. not the car alarm, but a real life viper...

I agree. Car alarms are basically ineffective, because they false constantly
and so they get ignored. Even if _your_ alarm is perfect, if it goes off in
the supermarket parking lot nobody will even bother to look at the car, because
they are all so used to false alarms all the time.

BUT, a thirty-foot anaconda will definitely be a theft-stopping wonder, if not
deterring any theft attempts in the first place. Everybody should have them.
You could sell them with the slogan "Get your Honda An Anaconda." If you use
that slogan, though, I want royalties.
--scott

Plus, it will take care of any mice that get inside.

 

[Michael Pardee]

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:Uwdyi.1606$nB3.1379@trndny02...

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:

In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing
a real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.


They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...



But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.

 

[Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:59:43 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:Uwdyi.1606$nB3.1379@trndny02...
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:

In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of
installing a real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.


They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...



But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.

Oh, yeah! I know that!

If these guys have guns, they're even dumber than I thought...

 

[Unquestionably Confused]

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:59:43 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.

Oh, yeah! I know that!

If these guys have guns, they're even dumber than I thought...

Considering the low incidence of Mensa members, National Merit Scholars,
and successful, moderately bright folks who earn enough money to buy
what they desire rather than steal it from parked cars, I would hold
that thought if I were you!<g>

 

[Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:44:45 -0500, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:59:43 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.

Oh, yeah! I know that!

If these guys have guns, they're even dumber than I thought...


Considering the low incidence of Mensa members, National Merit Scholars,
and successful, moderately bright folks who earn enough money to buy what
they desire rather than steal it from parked cars, I would hold that
thought if I were you!<g

If they have guns for petty larceny, they're toast. We have tough gun laws
here, and they'll go up a long time.

Hope the few hundred dollars they boost is worth the time. They've already
busted into the next door neighbor of a State Cop...he only parks his
cruiser outside his house 3-4 times a week...


Hmmm....what were you saying about a dearth of Mensa members...?

 

[Say What?]

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:44:45 -0500, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

If these guys have guns, they're even dumber than I thought...


Considering the low incidence of Mensa members, National Merit Scholars,
and successful, moderately bright folks who earn enough money to buy what
they desire rather than steal it from parked cars, I would hold that
thought if I were you!<g


If they have guns for petty larceny, they're toast. We have tough gun laws
here, and they'll go up a long time.

I don't know where "here" is for you but we have rather stringent gun
laws in Illinois (even outside Chicago) and they are still dumb.

Hope the few hundred dollars they boost is worth the time. They've already
busted into the next door neighbor of a State Cop...he only parks his
cruiser outside his house 3-4 times a week...

Had one moron break into a house about 3 miles from me out in the
country. Car sitting on the driveway and he still broke in during broad
daylight. Fought with the owner who, for some reason, didn't shoot him.
Oh, did I mention the car in the driveway was a fully marked sheriff's
department patrol car?

Hmmm....what were you saying about a dearth of Mensa members...?

You have to remove YOUR mindset when you think about what the criminal
class will do. They don't think like you and me. If they did, they
most likely would not be criminals.

Who kills somebody for a dirty look? for a pair of new Nike's? for...?

See my point?

 

[Grumpy AuContraire]

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:


In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:


And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing
a real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.



They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...

Install a "trip" wire and run it up to your bedroom and tie the other
end to your big toe. Keep the Glock handy, it will be a lot more
effective than a crappy ol' bat...

JT

 

[clifto]

dgk wrote:

On 17 Aug 2007 22:20:25 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
BUT, a thirty-foot anaconda will definitely be a theft-stopping wonder, if not
deterring any theft attempts in the first place. Everybody should have them.
You could sell them with the slogan "Get your Honda An Anaconda." If you use
that slogan, though, I want royalties.
--scott

Plus, it will take care of any mice that get inside.

Newfies note: this is NOT a cure for squeaks.

--
"You know the difference between cannibals and liberals?
Cannibals only eat their enemies."
-- Lyndon Baines Johnson

 

[Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:01:42 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:


In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:


And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of
installing a real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.



They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...




Install a "trip" wire and run it up to your bedroom and tie the other end
to your big toe. Keep the Glock handy, it will be a lot more effective
than a crappy ol' bat...

JT

Hey! I like how this guy thinks!

Where's Scott?

 

[Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:59:29 -0500, Say What? wrote:

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:44:45 -0500, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

If these guys have guns, they're even dumber than I thought...


Considering the low incidence of Mensa members, National Merit
Scholars, and successful, moderately bright folks who earn enough money
to buy what they desire rather than steal it from parked cars, I would
hold that thought if I were you!<g


If they have guns for petty larceny, they're toast. We have tough gun
laws here, and they'll go up a long time.

I don't know where "here" is for you but we have rather stringent gun laws
in Illinois (even outside Chicago) and they are still dumb.

Mass.

Hope the few hundred dollars they boost is worth the time. They've
already busted into the next door neighbor of a State Cop...he only
parks his cruiser outside his house 3-4 times a week...

Had one moron break into a house about 3 miles from me out in the country.
Car sitting on the driveway and he still broke in during broad daylight.
Fought with the owner who, for some reason, didn't shoot him.
Oh, did I mention the car in the driveway was a fully marked sheriff's
department patrol car?

Definitely sounds like a future candidate for the Darwin Award...

Hmmm....what were you saying about a dearth of Mensa members...?


You have to remove YOUR mindset when you think about what the criminal
class will do. They don't think like you and me. If they did, they most
likely would not be criminals.

Who kills somebody for a dirty look? for a pair of new Nike's? for...?

See my point?

I was thinking about this while listeneing to the BBC this AM. THey were
talking about juvenile crime in Brazil.

THink of this: for every criminal that 'makes it' there are thousands that
don't, get sent to jail and get whatever they 'earned' from crime taken
away.

Then they get out and do it all over again. OK, some may live high on the
hog for a while, but sooner or later they're going to get caught and get
it all taken away again.

Jail sucks big time. Why not just get a job, never have to look over your
shoulder, and let the government take it away in taxes, anyway?

Wait a minute...I think I begin to see the incentive...

 

[Steve]

So I can run out with my baseball bat...




But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.

Isn't putting an alarm on a Mazda more like bringing a bazooka to a
shoving match?


Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.

 

[John S.]

On Aug 17, 9:36 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
real alarm, but I want something.

Honking the horn and flashing the flashers would be good enough. I want
the horn to 'beep', so a flasher unit and a relay or two would be good.

There's two ways to set the thing up:

Put something like a key switch under the fender, turn on when leaving,
turn off when using the car.

Or, a little more sophisticaed: put a switch inside the car. Now, this
would mean triggering the 'alarm' when getting into the car, something I
don't want to do at 1 AM when I'm leaving on my 'paper route'. So, some
kind of delay would be good. I was thinking a capacitor between the hot
line and the 1st relay, so the cap charges and when it reaches charged it
triggers the relay and starts the flasher.

All I've read so far are questions about how the car owner would
switch an unidentified alarm system off and on. Since you are not
buying an off-the-shelf alarm what kind of alarm system are you
proposing. And more importantly how will the alarm be triggered by a
potential intruder.

But, I need a hint what size cap to use, and how to wire it into the relay
so that it charges before setting off the horn, maybe 20 seconds is good.

Of course, we could get REAL sophisticated and use the ol' venerable 555
timer, but that's more involved than I want to make it.

Any ideas?

 

[Grumpy AuContraire]

Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:01:42 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:



Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:36:04 +0000, Josh S wrote:



In article <P2sxi.1330$563.924@trndny08>,
Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:



And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of
installing a real alarm, but I want something.

An engine disabler is what you need.
Alarms just disturb others.



They didn't try to steal the car, they took my XM receiver.

I want something that makes noise, but doesn't trigger falsely.

So I can run out with my baseball bat...




Install a "trip" wire and run it up to your bedroom and tie the other end
to your big toe. Keep the Glock handy, it will be a lot more effective
than a crappy ol' bat...

JT



Hey! I like how this guy thinks!

Where's Scott?

I fondly remember back in the 1960's when my roomate bought a Honda 90
and was worried that someone might steal it. He actually did that for a
couple of nights though there was no Glock available. (Provided service
revolvers were locked away to prevent mischief). Quite a feat
considering that we lived on the third floor of a high rise...

JT

(Yep, the ol' Army days in DC)

 

[Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:00:02 +0000, Rodan wrote:

Hachiroku wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm. I don't want the expense of
installing a real alarm, but I want something.
_______________________________________________

"Josh S" wrote:

You need an engine disabler. Alarms just disturb others.
_______________________________________________

You could install an engine enabler. Insert a normally open pushbutton
switch in the line from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid.
Mount the new switch in some inconspicuous place such as under the dash.

You will have to press the pushbutton while turning the key to the start
position to start the car. Unless a car thief knows about the
pushbutton, he can't start the car by breaking the key lock. He can't
even start the car if you leave the keys in the ignition.

Good luck.

Rodan.

Like I said in another post, I don't think they're after cars, they're
after wallets, electronics, etc. They've been into almost 100 cars in the
last three months.

I want to hear it so I can have them meet my Louisville Slugger...

 

[Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:37:18 -0500, Steve wrote:

So I can run out with my baseball bat...




But don't make the mistake of bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.


Isn't putting an alarm on a Mazda more like bringing a bazooka to a
shoving match?


Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.

It ain't the car I'm worried about...it was $150 (but it is a NICE car!)

I'm more worried about the JVC MP3 player and my *new* XM Receiver!

 

[Skenny]

John S. wrote:

On Aug 17, 9:36 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:

And come up with a Cheap-Ass alarm.

On the Mazda, I don't want to go to the trouble or expense of installing a
real alarm, but I want something.

Honking the horn and flashing the flashers would be good enough. I want
the horn to 'beep', so a flasher unit and a relay or two would be good.

There's two ways to set the thing up:

Put something like a key switch under the fender, turn on when leaving,
turn off when using the car.

Or, a little more sophisticaed: put a switch inside the car. Now, this
would mean triggering the 'alarm' when getting into the car, something I
don't want to do at 1 AM when I'm leaving on my 'paper route'. So, some
kind of delay would be good. I was thinking a capacitor between the hot
line and the 1st relay, so the cap charges and when it reaches charged it
triggers the relay and starts the flasher.



All I've read so far are questions about how the car owner would
switch an unidentified alarm system off and on. Since you are not
buying an off-the-shelf alarm what kind of alarm system are you
proposing. And more importantly how will the alarm be triggered by a
potential intruder.



But, I need a hint what size cap to use, and how to wire it into the relay
so that it charges before setting off the horn, maybe 20 seconds is good.

Of course, we could get REAL sophisticated and use the ol' venerable 555
timer, but that's more involved than I want to make it.

Any ideas?



Why not just have a scr trigger from the interior light?

The scr will switch the horn relay to ground.
Door opens, light switch fires SCR, horn blows until someone turns off
the hidden (under dashboard or seat) switch, which breaks the circuit to
SCR. You could use a capacitor to give you a few seconds to leave or
enter the car.
After thinking about it, you may have to use a transistor to invert the
signal from the door switch. You could set up your delay with the
capacitor, resistor, to wait 10 or so seconds before firing the
transistor, which would then set the scr.
Back in the 70's when the price of gas was rocketing, people stealing
gas from your car at night became a common occurance.
I thought about attaching a small magnetic reed switch to the gas cap
cover that would do the same thing. Just never got around to doing it.
One guy I know wired a 120 volt hot wire to the frame of his car. I
wouldnt recommend doing this though, it could kill someone and give you
a manslaughter charge.
(I know, it shouldnt be against the law to kill a thief, but it is.)

 

[Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:24:26 -0700, John S. wrote:

Or, a little more sophisticaed: put a switch inside the car. Now, this
would mean triggering the 'alarm' when getting into the car, something I
don't want to do at 1 AM when I'm leaving on my 'paper route'. So, some
kind of delay would be good. I was thinking a capacitor between the hot
line and the 1st relay, so the cap charges and when it reaches charged
it triggers the relay and starts the flasher.


All I've read so far are questions about how the car owner would switch an
unidentified alarm system off and on. Since you are not buying an
off-the-shelf alarm what kind of alarm system are you proposing. And more
importantly how will the alarm be triggered by a potential intruder.

All I want is something that will blow the horn, and maybe flash the
lights.

In it's simplest form, a switch mounted somewhere outside the car that
turns the system 'on' by providing a ground path for a relay. When someone
opens a door, the relay closes, current is passed to a flasher (like for
your turn signals) and then to the horn and headlight relays. Very simple.

Also, this is instantaneous. As soon as they open the door, the horn
starts. There is an 'always on' current source (courtesy lights) that do
not turn off when the dome light is turned off, so I intend to use this
for the 'trigger'.