OceanGate Submersible Design More Conservative Than Reported...

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It didn\'t implode the first time it was taken down to 12,000 feet below the ocean surface, so you do need think up another explanation for it\'s eventual failure.

No, YOU need to dream up an explanation - I KNOW what caused the failure, unlike YOU.

You always think you know, but have learned not to tell anybody because you mostly get it wrong. The likeliest explanation is that the submersible banged into something. If we ever get to see the fragments we may be able to work out what actually happened, but high pressure implosions have fragments shooting inwards remarkably fast. When I worked on all glass vacuum lines we were warmed that the bits didn\'t always collide in the middle and could come out the other side dangerously fast. Sticky tape was enough to stop that, though fly-wire cages looked more professional. Deep sea pressures are a lot higher.

\"Banged into something\"? REALLY?? . The hull IMPLODED because of STRUCTURAL FAILURE due to progressive failure of its carbon fiber. Period. End of story. There ARE NO carbon fiber fragments to recover - they literally disintegrated in the resulting implosion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/debris-titanic-submersible-implosion-returns-land-rcna91735

Those bits don\'t look all that disintegrated. Nice of you to do your gloating about your superior insight before reality had made it plain quite how inferior your insight is.

Those pieces ARE NOT part of the hull, but a fairing that streamlines the hull and IS NOT under pressure. But, you don\'t know what a \"fairing\" is, so I am not surprised one bit. This is a quote from YOUR own reference:
Of course I know what a fairing is. Quite why you\'d bother fairing a very slow moving submersible escapes - maybe to make it look nice.
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fairing
2 of 2
noun (2)
: a member or structure whose primary function is to produce a smooth outline and to reduce drag (as on an airplane)

It\'s actually a shroud - a structure to protects the stuff sticking out from the submersible hull. If it were an aircraft it would be a fairing, but a slow moving submersibles don\'t need stream-lining.

> No you don\'t, you idiot, or you wouldn\'t have made that stupid comment. You only say this AFTER I pointed it out.

Why would I care what what the debris was that was brought up. I was just pointing out that it hadn\'t \"disintegrated\" as you had claimed that it would..

\"It\'s believed the submersible imploded, and the cause is under investigation.\"

What you are saying is that you believe that what you can see in the picture is a fairing. You don\'t know anything about the rest of the debris - other than that it is \"to be investigated\". The report does mention human remains, and they would have started off inside the pressure hull, and would - according to your theory - have \"disintegrated\" along with the carbon fibre of the cylindrical part of the hull. The fairing should have taken a beating at the same time - there would have been a lot of fast moving water around at the time if the hull had \"imploded\" as opposed to merely crumpling..

No, I KNOW that is the fairing. It doesn\'t even remotely resemble the shape and color of the hull, you IDIOT!
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If it were an aircraft you\'d call it a fairing. There are similar structures that get called shrouds - as in \"shrouded fan\".

Save your imagined expertise to areas that you know something about.

Why not wait until the results of the investigation get published? You may even find that some of your baseless assertions happen line up with what actually happened. It\'s pretty unlikely, but you might lucky.

Because YOU are making these STUPID comments that require correction.
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Comments that you imagine to be stupid because you imagine that you know what you are talking about. Your \"corrections\" aren\'t helpful, because you don\'t.

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Subject: Re: OceanGate Submersible Design More Conservative Than Reported
From: Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org
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On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:31:30 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:53:11 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
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On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:45:27 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
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It didn\'t implode the first time it was taken down to 12,000 feet below the ocean surface, so you do need think up another explanation for it\'s eventual failure.

No, YOU need to dream up an explanation - I KNOW what caused the failure, unlike YOU.

You always think you know, but have learned not to tell anybody because you mostly get it wrong. The likeliest explanation is that the submersible banged into something. If we ever get to see the fragments we may be able to work out what actually happened, but high pressure implosions have fragments shooting inwards remarkably fast. When I worked on all glass vacuum lines we were warmed that the bits didn\'t always collide in the middle and could come out the other side dangerously fast. Sticky tape was enough to stop that, though fly-wire cages looked more professional. Deep sea pressures are a lot higher.

\"Banged into something\"? REALLY?? . The hull IMPLODED because of STRUCTURAL FAILURE due to progressive failure of its carbon fiber. Period.. End of story. There ARE NO carbon fiber fragments to recover - they literally disintegrated in the resulting implosion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/debris-titanic-submersible-implosion-returns-land-rcna91735

Those bits don\'t look all that disintegrated. Nice of you to do your gloating about your superior insight before reality had made it plain quite how inferior your insight is.

Those pieces ARE NOT part of the hull, but a fairing that streamlines the hull and IS NOT under pressure. But, you don\'t know what a \"fairing\" is, so I am not surprised one bit. This is a quote from YOUR own reference:
Of course I know what a fairing is. Quite why you\'d bother fairing a very slow moving submersible escapes - maybe to make it look nice.
fairing
2 of 2
noun (2)
: a member or structure whose primary function is to produce a smooth outline and to reduce drag (as on an airplane)
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Gee, Bozo knows how to use Google. GOOD WORK!

It\'s actually a shroud - a structure to protects the stuff sticking out from the submersible hull. If it were an aircraft it would be a fairing, but a slow moving submersibles don\'t need stream-lining.
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LOL! Did you REALLY say that, Bozo??? In fact, submersibles need even more streamlining. Failure to do that means that they will move even slower because of the dense media they move thru.

No you don\'t, you idiot, or you wouldn\'t have made that stupid comment. You only say this AFTER I pointed it out.
Why would I care what what the debris was that was brought up.
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Suffering from a stutter, I see.
I was just pointing out that it hadn\'t \"disintegrated\" as you had claimed that it would.

By pointing out the WRONG PART of the submersible. They didn\'t bring up parts of the hull because they had disintegrated.


\"It\'s believed the submersible imploded, and the cause is under investigation.\"

What you are saying is that you believe that what you can see in the picture is a fairing. You don\'t know anything about the rest of the debris - other than that it is \"to be investigated\". The report does mention human remains, and they would have started off inside the pressure hull, and would - according to your theory - have \"disintegrated\" along with the carbon fibre of the cylindrical part of the hull. The fairing should have taken a beating at the same time - there would have been a lot of fast moving water around at the time if the hull had \"imploded\" as opposed to merely crumpling.

No, I KNOW that is the fairing. It doesn\'t even remotely resemble the shape and color of the hull, you IDIOT!
If it were an aircraft you\'d call it a fairing. There are similar structures that get called shrouds - as in \"shrouded fan\".
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Hey Bozo, YOU quoted the definition of a \"fairing,\" which is something that reduces drag. A \"shroud\" is nothing of the sort:
: something that covers, screens, or guards:
But the point is that YOU called that a portion of the hull, which is totally false.

Save your imagined expertise to areas that you know something about.
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Save your imagined superiority for ANYTHING you know something about.

Why not wait until the results of the investigation get published? You may even find that some of your baseless assertions happen line up with what actually happened. It\'s pretty unlikely, but you might lucky.

Because YOU are making these STUPID comments that require correction.

Comments that you imagine to be stupid because you imagine that you know what you are talking about. Your \"corrections\" aren\'t helpful, because you don\'t.
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Not for you because you are a TOTAL IDIOT. Others may find it helpful.

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Subject: Re: OceanGate Submersible Design More Conservative Than Reported
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On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:56:09 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:31:30 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:53:11 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
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On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:45:27 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:39:29 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 4:38:18 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

snip

It didn\'t implode the first time it was taken down to 12,000 feet below the ocean surface, so you do need think up another explanation for it\'s eventual failure.

No, YOU need to dream up an explanation - I KNOW what caused the failure, unlike YOU.

You always think you know, but have learned not to tell anybody because you mostly get it wrong. The likeliest explanation is that the submersible banged into something. If we ever get to see the fragments we may be able to work out what actually happened, but high pressure implosions have fragments shooting inwards remarkably fast. When I worked on all glass vacuum lines we were warmed that the bits didn\'t always collide in the middle and could come out the other side dangerously fast. Sticky tape was enough to stop that, though fly-wire cages looked more professional. Deep sea pressures are a lot higher.

\"Banged into something\"? REALLY?? . The hull IMPLODED because of STRUCTURAL FAILURE due to progressive failure of its carbon fiber. Period. End of story. There ARE NO carbon fiber fragments to recover - they literally disintegrated in the resulting implosion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/debris-titanic-submersible-implosion-returns-land-rcna91735

Those bits don\'t look all that disintegrated. Nice of you to do your gloating about your superior insight before reality had made it plain quite how inferior your insight is.

Those pieces ARE NOT part of the hull, but a fairing that streamlines the hull and IS NOT under pressure. But, you don\'t know what a \"fairing\" is, so I am not surprised one bit. This is a quote from YOUR own reference:

Of course I know what a fairing is. Quite why you\'d bother fairing a very slow moving submersible escapes - maybe to make it look nice.
fairing
2 of 2
noun (2)
: a member or structure whose primary function is to produce a smooth outline and to reduce drag (as on an airplane)
Gee, Bozo knows how to use Google. GOOD WORK!

It\'s actually a shroud - a structure to protects the stuff sticking out from the submersible hull. If it were an aircraft it would be a fairing, but a slow moving submersibles don\'t need stream-lining.
LOL! Did you REALLY say that, Bozo??? In fact, submersibles need even more streamlining. Failure to do that means that they will move even slower because of the dense media they move thru.
No you don\'t, you idiot, or you wouldn\'t have made that stupid comment. You only say this AFTER I pointed it out.
Why would I care what what the debris was that was brought up.
Suffering from a stutter, I see.
I was just pointing out that it hadn\'t \"disintegrated\" as you had claimed that it would.
By pointing out the WRONG PART of the submersible. They didn\'t bring up parts of the hull because they had disintegrated.
\"It\'s believed the submersible imploded, and the cause is under investigation.\"

What you are saying is that you believe that what you can see in the picture is a fairing. You don\'t know anything about the rest of the debris - other than that it is \"to be investigated\". The report does mention human remains, and they would have started off inside the pressure hull, and would - according to your theory - have \"disintegrated\" along with the carbon fibre of the cylindrical part of the hull. The fairing should have taken a beating at the same time - there would have been a lot of fast moving water around at the time if the hull had \"imploded\" as opposed to merely crumpling.

No, I KNOW that is the fairing. It doesn\'t even remotely resemble the shape and color of the hull, you IDIOT!
If it were an aircraft you\'d call it a fairing. There are similar structures that get called shrouds - as in \"shrouded fan\".
Hey Bozo, YOU quoted the definition of a \"fairing,\" which is something that reduces drag. A \"shroud\" is nothing of the sort:
: something that covers, screens, or guards:
But the point is that YOU called that a portion of the hull, which is totally false.
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It\'s the outside surface of the vessel, which certainly looks like it\'s hull.

Save your imagined expertise to areas that you know something about.

Save your imagined superiority for ANYTHING you know something about.
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I do, but you don\'t want to believe that, so you deny it, and i,kagine that other people will take your denial seriously.

Why not wait until the results of the investigation get published? You may even find that some of your baseless assertions happen line up with what actually happened. It\'s pretty unlikely, but you might lucky.

Because YOU are making these STUPID comments that require correction.

Comments that you imagine to be stupid because you imagine that you know what you are talking about. Your \"corrections\" aren\'t helpful, because you don\'t.

Not for you because you are a TOTAL IDIOT. Others may find it helpful.
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As a demented geriatric, you haven\'t noticed that calling other people total idiots isn\'t a winning strategy, especially when they aren\'t.,

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On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 4:38:18 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

snip

It didn\'t implode the first time it was taken down to 12,000 feet below the ocean surface, so you do need think up another explanation for it\'s eventual failure.

No, YOU need to dream up an explanation - I KNOW what caused the failure, unlike YOU.

You always think you know, but have learned not to tell anybody because you mostly get it wrong. The likeliest explanation is that the submersible banged into something. If we ever get to see the fragments we may be able to work out what actually happened, but high pressure implosions have fragments shooting inwards remarkably fast. When I worked on all glass vacuum lines we were warmed that the bits didn\'t always collide in the middle and could come out the other side dangerously fast. Sticky tape was enough to stop that, though fly-wire cages looked more professional. Deep sea pressures are a lot higher.

\"Banged into something\"? REALLY?? . The hull IMPLODED because of STRUCTURAL FAILURE due to progressive failure of its carbon fiber. Period. End of story. There ARE NO carbon fiber fragments to recover - they literally disintegrated in the resulting implosion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/debris-titanic-submersible-implosion-returns-land-rcna91735

Those bits don\'t look all that disintegrated. Nice of you to do your gloating about your superior insight before reality had made it plain quite how inferior your insight is.

Those pieces ARE NOT part of the hull, but a fairing that streamlines the hull and IS NOT under pressure. But, you don\'t know what a \"fairing\" is, so I am not surprised one bit. This is a quote from YOUR own reference:

Of course I know what a fairing is. Quite why you\'d bother fairing a very slow moving submersible escapes - maybe to make it look nice.
fairing
2 of 2
noun (2)
: a member or structure whose primary function is to produce a smooth outline and to reduce drag (as on an airplane)
Gee, Bozo knows how to use Google. GOOD WORK!

It\'s actually a shroud - a structure to protects the stuff sticking out from the submersible hull. If it were an aircraft it would be a fairing, but a slow moving submersibles don\'t need stream-lining.

LOL! Did you REALLY say that, Bozo??? In fact, submersibles need even more streamlining. Failure to do that means that they will move even slower because of the dense media they move thru.
Click to expand...

Submarines are military vessels and have a primary need to be able to move fast. This was merely a submersible, and only needed to get where they wanted to go.

No you don\'t, you idiot, or you wouldn\'t have made that stupid comment. You only say this AFTER I pointed it out.
Why would I care what the debris was that was brought up.
Click to expand...

<snipped Sewage Sweeper\'s predictable response to a typo, which I\'ve edited out.>

I was just pointing out that it hadn\'t \"disintegrated\" as you had claimed that it would.

By pointing out the WRONG PART of the submersible. They didn\'t bring up parts of the hull because they had disintegrated.
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What makes you think that? The report also said that they\'d bought up human remains, which would have been inside the pressure hull - if the pressure hull had \"disintegrated\" the human remains inside it would have disintegrated too.

\"It\'s believed the submersible imploded, and the cause is under investigation.\"

What you are saying is that you believe that what you can see in the picture is a fairing. You don\'t know anything about the rest of the debris - other than that it is \"to be investigated\". The report does mention human remains, and they would have started off inside the pressure hull, and would - according to your theory - have \"disintegrated\" along with the carbon fibre of the cylindrical part of the hull. The fairing should have taken a beating at the same time - there would have been a lot of fast moving water around at the time if the hull had \"imploded\" as opposed to merely crumpling.

No, I KNOW that is the fairing. It doesn\'t even remotely resemble the shape and color of the hull, you IDIOT!

If it were an aircraft you\'d call it a fairing. There are similar structures that get called shrouds - as in \"shrouded fan\".

Hey Bozo, YOU quoted the definition of a \"fairing,\" which is something that reduces drag. A \"shroud\" is nothing of the sort:
: something that covers, screens, or guards:
But the point is that YOU called that a portion of the hull, which is totally false.
Click to expand...

It is the visible hull of the vessel - if people want to refer to the pressure resistant inner structure they call it the \"pressure hull\".

Save your imagined expertise to areas that you know something about.

Save your imagined superiority for ANYTHING you know something about.

Why not wait until the results of the investigation get published? You may even find that some of your baseless assertions happen line up with what actually happened. It\'s pretty unlikely, but you might lucky.

Because YOU are making these STUPID comments that require correction.

Comments that you imagine to be stupid because you imagine that you know what you are talking about. Your \"corrections\" aren\'t helpful, because you don\'t.

Not for you because you are a TOTAL IDIOT. Others may find it helpful.
Click to expand...

Sadly, you are too far gone in senile dementia to realise that calling other people \"total idiots\" isn\'t an argument winning strategy, particularly when they aren\'t.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

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On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:36:36 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:56:09 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:31:30 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:53:11 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:00:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:06:15 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 3:39:15 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 12:01:18 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 2:21:54 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:47:20 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:52:51 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:18:00 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:58:04 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:00:38 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:18:16 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:39:23 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 2:51:02 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:55:16 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:42:53 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:45:27 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:39:29 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 4:38:18 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

snip

It didn\'t implode the first time it was taken down to 12,000 feet below the ocean surface, so you do need think up another explanation for it\'s eventual failure.

No, YOU need to dream up an explanation - I KNOW what caused the failure, unlike YOU.

You always think you know, but have learned not to tell anybody because you mostly get it wrong. The likeliest explanation is that the submersible banged into something. If we ever get to see the fragments we may be able to work out what actually happened, but high pressure implosions have fragments shooting inwards remarkably fast. When I worked on all glass vacuum lines we were warmed that the bits didn\'t always collide in the middle and could come out the other side dangerously fast. Sticky tape was enough to stop that, though fly-wire cages looked more professional. Deep sea pressures are a lot higher.

\"Banged into something\"? REALLY?? . The hull IMPLODED because of STRUCTURAL FAILURE due to progressive failure of its carbon fiber. Period. End of story. There ARE NO carbon fiber fragments to recover - they literally disintegrated in the resulting implosion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/debris-titanic-submersible-implosion-returns-land-rcna91735

Those bits don\'t look all that disintegrated. Nice of you to do your gloating about your superior insight before reality had made it plain quite how inferior your insight is.

Those pieces ARE NOT part of the hull, but a fairing that streamlines the hull and IS NOT under pressure. But, you don\'t know what a \"fairing\" is, so I am not surprised one bit. This is a quote from YOUR own reference:

Of course I know what a fairing is. Quite why you\'d bother fairing a very slow moving submersible escapes - maybe to make it look nice.
fairing
2 of 2
noun (2)
: a member or structure whose primary function is to produce a smooth outline and to reduce drag (as on an airplane)
Gee, Bozo knows how to use Google. GOOD WORK!

It\'s actually a shroud - a structure to protects the stuff sticking out from the submersible hull. If it were an aircraft it would be a fairing, but a slow moving submersibles don\'t need stream-lining.

LOL! Did you REALLY say that, Bozo??? In fact, submersibles need even more streamlining. Failure to do that means that they will move even slower because of the dense media they move thru.
Submarines are military vessels and have a primary need to be able to move fast. This was merely a submersible, and only needed to get where they wanted to go.
No you don\'t, you idiot, or you wouldn\'t have made that stupid comment. You only say this AFTER I pointed it out.
Why would I care what the debris was that was brought up.

snipped Sewage Sweeper\'s predictable response to a typo, which I\'ve edited out.
I was just pointing out that it hadn\'t \"disintegrated\" as you had claimed that it would.

By pointing out the WRONG PART of the submersible. They didn\'t bring up parts of the hull because they had disintegrated.
What makes you think that? The report also said that they\'d bought up human remains, which would have been inside the pressure hull - if the pressure hull had \"disintegrated\" the human remains inside it would have disintegrated too.
\"It\'s believed the submersible imploded, and the cause is under investigation.\"

What you are saying is that you believe that what you can see in the picture is a fairing. You don\'t know anything about the rest of the debris - other than that it is \"to be investigated\". The report does mention human remains, and they would have started off inside the pressure hull, and would - according to your theory - have \"disintegrated\" along with the carbon fibre of the cylindrical part of the hull. The fairing should have taken a beating at the same time - there would have been a lot of fast moving water around at the time if the hull had \"imploded\" as opposed to merely crumpling.

No, I KNOW that is the fairing. It doesn\'t even remotely resemble the shape and color of the hull, you IDIOT!

If it were an aircraft you\'d call it a fairing. There are similar structures that get called shrouds - as in \"shrouded fan\".

Hey Bozo, YOU quoted the definition of a \"fairing,\" which is something that reduces drag. A \"shroud\" is nothing of the sort:
: something that covers, screens, or guards:
But the point is that YOU called that a portion of the hull, which is totally false.
It is the visible hull of the vessel - if people want to refer to the pressure resistant inner structure they call it the \"pressure hull\".
Save your imagined expertise to areas that you know something about.

Save your imagined superiority for ANYTHING you know something about.

Why not wait until the results of the investigation get published? You may even find that some of your baseless assertions happen line up with what actually happened. It\'s pretty unlikely, but you might lucky.

Because YOU are making these STUPID comments that require correction.

Comments that you imagine to be stupid because you imagine that you know what you are talking about. Your \"corrections\" aren\'t helpful, because you don\'t.

Not for you because you are a TOTAL IDIOT. Others may find it helpful.
Sadly, you are too far gone in senile dementia to realise that calling other people \"total idiots\" isn\'t an argument winning strategy, particularly when they aren\'t.

--
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney
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Hey Bozo, when you accuse me of misstating the facts and YOU confuse a fairing with the hull, and opinion that the Titan sunk because it \"banged into something\" after EVERYONE ELSE, including the Coast Guard, says it imploded, you are indeed a TOTAL IDIOT.

On top of that, you defend that other total idiot, Lyin\' Biden, who IS suffering from dementia.

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper
 
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 4:38:52 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:36:36 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:56:09 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:31:30 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:53:11 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:00:17 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:06:15 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 3:39:15 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 12:01:18 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 2:21:54 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:47:20 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:52:51 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:18:00 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:58:04 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:00:38 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 11:18:16 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:39:23 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 2:51:02 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:55:16 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 2:42:53 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:45:27 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:39:29 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 4:38:18 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

snip

It didn\'t implode the first time it was taken down to 12,000 feet below the ocean surface, so you do need think up another explanation for it\'s eventual failure.

No, YOU need to dream up an explanation - I KNOW what caused the failure, unlike YOU.

You always think you know, but have learned not to tell anybody because you mostly get it wrong. The likeliest explanation is that the submersible banged into something. If we ever get to see the fragments we may be able to work out what actually happened, but high pressure implosions have fragments shooting inwards remarkably fast. When I worked on all glass vacuum lines we were warmed that the bits didn\'t always collide in the middle and could come out the other side dangerously fast. Sticky tape was enough to stop that, though fly-wire cages looked more professional. Deep sea pressures are a lot higher.

\"Banged into something\"? REALLY?? . The hull IMPLODED because of STRUCTURAL FAILURE due to progressive failure of its carbon fiber. Period. End of story. There ARE NO carbon fiber fragments to recover - they literally disintegrated in the resulting implosion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/debris-titanic-submersible-implosion-returns-land-rcna91735

Those bits don\'t look all that disintegrated. Nice of you to do your gloating about your superior insight before reality had made it plain quite how inferior your insight is.

Those pieces ARE NOT part of the hull, but a fairing that streamlines the hull and IS NOT under pressure. But, you don\'t know what a \"fairing\" is, so I am not surprised one bit. This is a quote from YOUR own reference:

Of course I know what a fairing is. Quite why you\'d bother fairing a very slow moving submersible escapes - maybe to make it look nice.
fairing
2 of 2
noun (2)
: a member or structure whose primary function is to produce a smooth outline and to reduce drag (as on an airplane)
Gee, Bozo knows how to use Google. GOOD WORK!

It\'s actually a shroud - a structure to protects the stuff sticking out from the submersible hull. If it were an aircraft it would be a fairing, but a slow moving submersibles don\'t need stream-lining.

LOL! Did you REALLY say that, Bozo??? In fact, submersibles need even more streamlining. Failure to do that means that they will move even slower because of the dense media they move thru.
Submarines are military vessels and have a primary need to be able to move fast. This was merely a submersible, and only needed to get where they wanted to go.
No you don\'t, you idiot, or you wouldn\'t have made that stupid comment. You only say this AFTER I pointed it out.
Why would I care what the debris was that was brought up.

snipped Sewage Sweeper\'s predictable response to a typo, which I\'ve edited out.
I was just pointing out that it hadn\'t \"disintegrated\" as you had claimed that it would.

By pointing out the WRONG PART of the submersible. They didn\'t bring up parts of the hull because they had disintegrated.
What makes you think that? The report also said that they\'d bought up human remains, which would have been inside the pressure hull - if the pressure hull had \"disintegrated\" the human remains inside it would have disintegrated too.
\"It\'s believed the submersible imploded, and the cause is under investigation.\"

What you are saying is that you believe that what you can see in the picture is a fairing. You don\'t know anything about the rest of the debris - other than that it is \"to be investigated\". The report does mention human remains, and they would have started off inside the pressure hull, and would - according to your theory - have \"disintegrated\" along with the carbon fibre of the cylindrical part of the hull. The fairing should have taken a beating at the same time - there would have been a lot of fast moving water around at the time if the hull had \"imploded\" as opposed to merely crumpling.

No, I KNOW that is the fairing. It doesn\'t even remotely resemble the shape and color of the hull, you IDIOT!

If it were an aircraft you\'d call it a fairing. There are similar structures that get called shrouds - as in \"shrouded fan\".

Hey Bozo, YOU quoted the definition of a \"fairing,\" which is something that reduces drag. A \"shroud\" is nothing of the sort:
: something that covers, screens, or guards:
But the point is that YOU called that a portion of the hull, which is totally false.
It is the visible hull of the vessel - if people want to refer to the pressure resistant inner structure they call it the \"pressure hull\".
Save your imagined expertise to areas that you know something about..

Save your imagined superiority for ANYTHING you know something about.

Why not wait until the results of the investigation get published? You may even find that some of your baseless assertions happen line up with what actually happened. It\'s pretty unlikely, but you might lucky.

Because YOU are making these STUPID comments that require correction.

Comments that you imagine to be stupid because you imagine that you know what you are talking about. Your \"corrections\" aren\'t helpful, because you don\'t.

Not for you because you are a TOTAL IDIOT. Others may find it helpful..

Sadly, you are too far gone in senile dementia to realise that calling other people \"total idiots\" isn\'t an argument winning strategy, particularly when they aren\'t.

When you accuse me of misstating the facts and YOU confuse a fairing with the hull, and opinion that the Titan sunk because it \"banged into something\" after EVERYONE ELSE, including the Coast Guard, says it imploded, you are indeed a TOTAL IDIOT.
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Of course the Titan imploded. The question is, what caused it to implode on this particular dive when it hadn\'t imploded during previous dives.

A collision could have created a small distortion of the pressure hull that the water pressure could have made worse. leading to it\'s collapse - not necessarily it\'s disintegration.

You don\'t really understand what I\'ve been saying, which leaves you free to misunderstand it in ways that suit you. And what you call the fairing was what everybody else would call the hull, which surrounded the pressure hull, which is what did collapse/implode.

> On top of that, you defend that other total idiot, Lyin\' Biden, who IS suffering from dementia.

He\'s certainly not a \"total idiot\" and the claim that he is suffering from dementia is straight from Donald Trump\'s election propganda - which makes it one more of those lies that you swallow like any other gullible half-wit.. He does make a lot of speech errors, but he has been doing that throughout his career, so it isn\'t evidence of any kind of progressive decline. This kind of point does go over your head - you like to keep things simple, so you can imagine that you understand them,

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
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