Ocean surface hits highest ever recorded temperature and set to rise further...

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:41:02 PM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
People who seem to think the ocean is for recreational boating and transporting future landfill material from China are in for a rude awakening.

\"The damage caused in these hotspots is also harmful to humanity, which relies on the oceans for oxygen, food, storm protection and the removal of climate-heating carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.\"

This is nature\'s version of an A-bomb blast, about a few trillionths of the reaction rate.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature
What us the fuss about ocean surface temperatures ?

In warm oceans the temperature varies quite a lot, very warm near the
surface and much colder deeper. There is a quite distinct border
between these sections called the thermocline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoclinee
Just below surface down to 100-200 m the temperature is high but
varies greatly due to season, radiation and wind. Below about 1000 m
the water is cold (3-7 C) all year round.

The average ocean dept is about 4000 m, so the average ocean water
mean temperature is closer to 5 C (NOT 20+ C as some alarmists claim).
even
To meaningfully measure the surface water temperatures, in addition to
some satellite measurements also the thermocline dept for each
measurement should be known, since it varies slightly.

In ocean areas where there is a big temperature difference between
surface water and deep ocean water, nutrients can\'t reach the surface
and there are little plankton and hence not capable of feeding a lot
of fish and whales.

In cold waters close to the poles, the thermocline is more or less
nonexistent, i.e. the surface water temperature is nearly the same as
deep water temperatures, nutrients from the bottom can reach the
surface and there will be plenty of plankton, fish and whales. Whales
feed in the cold waters and some swim to the worm waters to give birth
to their offspring only.

Dunno exactly what the effect is. Gut feel is you need cooler ocean surface for cooler air, and also to reduce formation of extreme weather windstorms.. As for the ecosystem, migration of entire species of fish for cooler climes is definitely not good.

 

[whit3rd]

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:55:32 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:08:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

I have contributed thousands, maybe millions of times more
to global energy efficiency than I have consumed myself.

Interesting, but not convincing. A contribution to \'efficiency\'
sometimes just means the economic limits on usage get looser,
encouraging habit changes that cause pollution.

Do you have a/c?

Do you have a life?

How much do you spend per month on oil and gas products and
electricity?

What about that query was worth your time typing it?

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:20:44 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:55:32?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:08:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

I have contributed thousands, maybe millions of times more
to global energy efficiency than I have consumed myself.

Interesting, but not convincing. A contribution to \'efficiency\'
sometimes just means the economic limits on usage get looser,
encouraging habit changes that cause pollution.

Do you have a/c?

Do you have a life?

How much do you spend per month on oil and gas products and
electricity?

What about that query was worth your time typing it?

Not much when you refuse to answer.

I assume you are the usual preachy energy hog.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:08:12?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 08:43:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:12:19?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 05:23:51 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 12:22:51?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 6:05:38?AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

People who seem to think the ocean is for recreational boating and transporting future landfill material from China are in for a rude awakening.

\"The damage caused in these hotspots is also harmful to humanity, which relies on the oceans for oxygen, food, storm protection and the removal of climate-heating carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.\"

This is nature\'s version of an A-bomb blast, about a few trillionths of the reaction rate.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature

It was a buoy with a bad solder joint.
It is an average temperature. There would have to be a lot of buoys with slightly bad solder joints to do that. John Larkin shares Anthony Watt\'s delusion that the people who collect and manage this kind of data don\'t know what they are doing.

The story was released by ESA\'s Copernicus center:

https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Copernicus/Europe_s_Copernicus_programme

JL is unaware of just how extensive, precise, data intensive, and expertly analyzed their work is...maybe he\'s afraid to find out.


What I am unaware of is hundreds of years of precise,
ubiquitous bouy data as the basis of \"hottest year\" claims.

Tree rings are pretty fuzzy instrumentation, especially for
short-term ocean temps.

This one is not short term, it\'s here to stay. Thank you ever so much for making the Earth into a fireball.
I have contributed thousands, maybe millions of times more
to global energy efficiency than I have consumed myself.
Supervisory control, power plant efficiency, instrumentation
for giant end-use load studies, fusion research.

Were those projects to facilitate extracting/ processing fossil fuels?

Not much extraction. I did a lot of pipeline supervisory
controls... with TTL logic! We designed our own modems too.

I desigbned a line of energy metering/logging boxes that
were used in thousands of end-use energy surverys, and the
data was used to set appliance and building energy
standards.

We don\'t have air conditioning, or drive many miles per
year, or use much heat or electricity in the house or the
cabin. Don\'t own a boat or a plane or an RV or a lawn mower.

That part is incident to living in SF.

Lots of people have boats and planes, and a few here have
lawn mowers. I think. Many people drive lots of miles.

Do you have a/c? How much do you spend per month on energy,
NG and gasoline and electricity?

My energy usage is minimal.

How many dollars per month?

Warm saves lives. Plants love CO2.

Up to a point. They don\'t like drought, floods, and scorching hot heat waves they can\'t keep up with, transpiration. They do like warm soil though, as long as it retains adequate moisture.

Crop yields have exploded in the last century. So far,
plants love climate change.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:28:58 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:20:44 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:55:32?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:08:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

I have contributed thousands, maybe millions of times more
to global energy efficiency than I have consumed myself.

Interesting, but not convincing. A contribution to \'efficiency\'
sometimes just means the economic limits on usage get looser,
encouraging habit changes that cause pollution.

Do you have a/c?

Do you have a life?

How much do you spend per month on oil and gas products and
electricity?

What about that query was worth your time typing it?

Not much when you refuse to answer.

As if anybody sane is going to take your questions seriously.

I assume you are the usual preachy energy hog.

Whereas John Larkin preaches from gospel of Anthony Watts, which is a false religion constructed by the fossil carbon extraction industry in the hope of hanging onto their irresponsible profits for a few years more.

You can get energy without burning fossil carbon, (and cheaper too) even though the climate change denial crew deny it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:36:03 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:08:12?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 08:43:09 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:12:19?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 05:23:51 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 12:22:51?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 6:05:38?AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

People who seem to think the ocean is for recreational boating and transporting future landfill material from China are in for a rude awakening.

\"The damage caused in these hotspots is also harmful to humanity, which relies on the oceans for oxygen, food, storm protection and the removal of climate-heating carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.\"

This is nature\'s version of an A-bomb blast, about a few trillionths of the reaction rate.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature

It was a buoy with a bad solder joint.

It is an average temperature. There would have to be a lot of buoys with slightly bad solder joints to do that. John Larkin shares Anthony Watt\'s delusion that the people who collect and manage this kind of data don\'t know what they are doing.

The story was released by ESA\'s Copernicus center:

https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Copernicus/Europe_s_Copernicus_programme

JL is unaware of just how extensive, precise, data intensive, and expertly analyzed their work is...maybe he\'s afraid to find out.

What I am unaware of is hundreds of years of precise, ubiquitous bouy data as the basis of \"hottest year\" claims.

Tree rings are pretty fuzzy instrumentation, especially for short-term ocean temps.

This one is not short term, it\'s here to stay. Thank you ever so much for making the Earth into a fireball.
I have contributed thousands, maybe millions of times more
to global energy efficiency than I have consumed myself.
Supervisory control, power plant efficiency, instrumentation
for giant end-use load studies, fusion research.

Were those projects to facilitate extracting/ processing fossil fuels?

Not much extraction. I did a lot of pipeline supervisory controls... with TTL logic! We designed our own modems too.

So quite a while ago.

I designed a line of energy metering/logging boxes that were used in thousands of end-use energy surverys, and the data was used to set appliance and building energy standards.

We don\'t have air conditioning, or drive many miles per year, or use much heat or electricity in the house or the
cabin. Don\'t own a boat or a plane or an RV or a lawn mower.

That part is incident to living in SF.

Lots of people have boats and planes, and a few here have lawn mowers. I think. Many people drive lots of miles.


Do you have a/c? How much do you spend per month on energy, NG and gasoline and electricity?

My energy usage is minimal.

How many dollars per month?

Warm saves lives. Plants love CO2.

Up to a point. They don\'t like drought, floods, and scorching hot heat waves they can\'t keep up with, transpiration. They do like warm soil though, as long as it retains adequate moisture.

Crop yields have exploded in the last century. So far, plants love climate change.

It isn\'t the extra CO2 in the atmosphere that has driven up crop yields. It\'s mostly better cultivars, more weed-killer and fertiliser - nothing to do with global warming.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:28:58 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:20:44 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:55:32?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:08:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

I have contributed thousands, maybe millions of times more
to global energy efficiency than I have consumed myself.

Interesting, but not convincing. A contribution to \'efficiency\'
sometimes just means the economic limits on usage get looser,
encouraging habit changes that cause pollution.

Do you have a/c?

Do you have a life?

How much do you spend per month on oil and gas products and
electricity?

What about that query was worth your time typing it?
Not much when you refuse to answer.

I assume you are the usual preachy energy hog.

Ah, a light dawns: after decades of spurious arguments like \"bad solder joint\"and
\"latex paint\" and \"it hasn\'t happened yet\", the Larkin denials cannot confront
ocean temperatures that we now see, so he falls back to picking animal
characters to apply to his fellow men. The six-year-olds among us are amused.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:03 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:08:12?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

Warm savhttps://www.travelinglifestyle.net/cancun-forecast-shows-worst-seaweed-sargassum-season-in-the-last-5-years/es lives. Plants love CO2.

Up to a point. They don\'t like drought, floods, and scorching hot heat waves they can\'t keep up with, transpiration. They do like warm soil though, as long as it retains adequate moisture.

Crop yields have exploded in the last century. So far,
plants love climate change.

Yeah; the sargassum crop is fantastic.
<https://www.travelinglifestyle.net/cancun-forecast-shows-worst-seaweed-sargassum-season-in-the-last-5-years/>

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:13:48 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:28:58?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:20:44 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:55:32?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:08:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

I have contributed thousands, maybe millions of times more
to global energy efficiency than I have consumed myself.

Interesting, but not convincing. A contribution to \'efficiency\'
sometimes just means the economic limits on usage get looser,
encouraging habit changes that cause pollution.

Do you have a/c?

Do you have a life?

How much do you spend per month on oil and gas products and
electricity?

What about that query was worth your time typing it?
Not much when you refuse to answer.

I assume you are the usual preachy energy hog.

Ah, a light dawns: after decades of spurious arguments like \"bad solder joint\"and
\"latex paint\" and \"it hasn\'t happened yet\", the Larkin denials cannot confront
ocean temperatures that we now see, so he falls back to picking animal
characters to apply to his fellow men. The six-year-olds among us are amused.

How much do you spend per month on oil and gas products and
electricity? That\'s a simple enough question.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:18:43 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:03?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:08:12?PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

Warm savhttps://www.travelinglifestyle.net/cancun-forecast-shows-worst-seaweed-sargassum-season-in-the-last-5-years/es lives. Plants love CO2.

Up to a point. They don\'t like drought, floods, and scorching hot heat waves they can\'t keep up with, transpiration. They do like warm soil though, as long as it retains adequate moisture.

Crop yields have exploded in the last century. So far,
plants love climate change.

Yeah; the sargassum crop is fantastic.
https://www.travelinglifestyle.net/cancun-forecast-shows-worst-seaweed-sargassum-season-in-the-last-5-years/

Tourists don\'t want oceans to have seaweed.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:55:26 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:18:43 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:03?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Crop yields have exploded in the last century. So far,
plants love climate change.

Yeah; the sargassum crop is fantastic.
https://www.travelinglifestyle.net/cancun-forecast-shows-worst-seaweed-sargassum-season-in-the-last-5-years/
Tourists don\'t want oceans to have seaweed.

Oh, now you acknowledge a viewpoint other than that of \"the plants\"?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 9:34:18 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 13:13:48 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:28:58?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:20:44 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:55:32?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2023 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 10:08:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

<snip>

> How much do you spend per month on oil and gas products and electricity? That\'s a simple enough question.

Positively childish. and not noticeably relevant to ocean surface temperatures.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney