O/T: why knot?

[RichD]

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

 

[amdx]

On 6/10/2019 3:18 PM, George Herold wrote:

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

What four knots do you know/ use?
Except for some weird fishing line knots, I may
only use four. Except for the square knot I don't know the names.

George H.

Gotta know a bowline knot!

Here's a few for tying loads down.
Bowline, sheet bend, alpine butterfly, and half hitch.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a35TsqjqhxU
Sorry he has other videos showing each not better, but I'm not
finding the links.
Mikek

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

mandag den 10. juni 2019 kl. 21.42.39 UTC+2 skrev RichD:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_Ref

page 585-596

 

[George Herold]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

What four knots do you know/ use?
Except for some weird fishing line knots, I may
only use four. Except for the square knot I don't know the names.

George H.

 

[Robert Baer]

RichD wrote:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

Sorry, i am all twisted up in a ball, do knot know how to answer,
have tangled vocabulary.
Just call me Oliver Twist.

 

[bitrex]

On 6/10/19 3:42 PM, RichD wrote:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

I had a young adult's guide to sailing book when I was a kid, sadly I
cant remember the title. It was probably from the 1960s. I recall it had
a selection of about a dozen knots commonly used for sailing. Very good
diagrams.

If you want to be new-school I'd try a YouTube search on "top 10 knots
every man must know!" or somesuch I'm sure there's something.

Yep, something like this: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yfFo0-1u1M>

 

[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2019-06-10 21:42, RichD wrote:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -
,
Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

The ones I use by far most often are the bow knot, to
tie shoelaces, and the clove hitch and the variant
known as 'two half-hitches', which I use to attach objects
to my trekking poles. Easy and quick to tie, easy to
tighten, very secure yet easy to undo. Never underestimate
the effectiveness of a couple of free turns before
making the hitches. It's also useful to bundle things
together.

Jeroen Belleman

 

[DJ Delorie]

My go-to knots are:

bowline
full hitch
square
taut line hitch

bowline - easy to tie, won't self-constrict under tension

full hitch - used to tie ropes to non-rope things

square - easy to untie, useful for holding things closed

taut line hitch - used with bowline to make a pulley system to REALLY
tighten a rope.

 

[Robert Roland]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT), RichD
<r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

>a list of recommended knots to learn

If you can master the plain, ordinary shoelace bow, your skill level
will be above average. Half the population do it wrong.
--
RoRo

 

[Mike Coon]

In article <dujtfedhtclsf0i38qve7k8mgemtt9nnt9@4ax.com>, fake@ddress.no
says...

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT), RichD
r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

a list of recommended knots to learn

If you can master the plain, ordinary shoelace bow, your skill level
will be above average. Half the population do it wrong.

Half the population and his granny?

Mike.

 

[George Herold]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 4:18:14 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

What four knots do you know/ use?
Except for some weird fishing line knots, I may
only use four. Except for the square knot I don't know the names.

Square knot
Taut line hitch
fishermen's knot (for splicing two pieces together.. can be different
sizes)
The figure eight (double ended) loop knot.. (that's my made up name)

And the half hitch.. which seems like only half a knot, so use lots. :^)

GH.
> George H.

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 4:39:57 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

On 6/10/2019 3:18 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

What four knots do you know/ use?
Except for some weird fishing line knots, I may
only use four. Except for the square knot I don't know the names.

George H.


Gotta know a bowline knot!

Here's a few for tying loads down.
Bowline, sheet bend, alpine butterfly, and half hitch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a35TsqjqhxU
Sorry he has other videos showing each not better, but I'm not
finding the links.
Mikek

Alpine butterfly is a good knot for the purpose. I used one to make a line to tie the front of my kayak to the bumper. That's the only time I've used it and couldn't remember how to make it when I tried to show someone. lol But for making a loop in the middle of a rope where you can pull on it from any direction, it's great!

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Monday, June 10, 2019 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

Sailor in the sense of kayaking.

1) Bowline knot - a good way to put a loop on the end of a rope. I use it for securing many things like a line to a boat that isn't temporary or to just have a loop on a rope to toss on a piling. I tie it by remembering the thing about the rabbit coming out of the hole and around the tree and back into the hole. However, after you have tied these a couple of hundred times you realize it is the same knot as the Sheet bend but with the same piece of rope for both parts.

2) Clove hitch - this is a great knot for tying the other end of a line to a piling or round post. Not sure it works as well if the post is square. Easy to tie no matter what really, but super easy when one end of the post is free and you can slip two loops of the line over the top, pull taught and you are done.

3) Sheet bend - good way to connect two lines that are not the same size or even if they are. A doubled sheet bend is very secure.

4) Two Half Hitches & Taut-Line Hitch - I used to use two half hitches thinking I was using a taut-line hitch, but they are similar. Used to make a connection that needs to be tightened after it is tied. On the taut-line hitch you can tie the last loop either direction and it seems to work both ways just fine. References will show it either way.

http://www.mdscbsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/5114-Cub-Scout-Knots-Bruce-Lezer.pdf

A friend ties his kayak to the roof with a variation of the trucker's hitch but it sure seems overkill to me. That hitch seems to be about being able to tighten it up as you tie it.

A chain sinnet is a good way to stow a rope so it can be pulled out quickly without tangling. It takes a little time to prepare, but is good for emergency lines where you don't have time to screw with untangling.

--

Rick C.

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT)) it happened RichD
<r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3398f3e3-938b-4ea4-a2d5-daffc01cea7d@googlegroups.com>:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

This good enough for you?
https://www.animatedknots.com/

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 11/6/19 5:42 am, RichD wrote:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's
quip, it appears whiskey has taken more out me, than I've
taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn
(or re-learn). Now you retort: why come here, just find
a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
What I need is a curator. I figure a dozen, I could
handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest
of the internet. Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich

Most people know figure-8 (stop knot), bowline, sheet bend, reef knot
and clove hitch. Drop the reef knot, and add the trucker's hitch (for
tying loads) and Hunter's knot for a very strong rope-joining bend.

Especially Hunter's knot, it's awesome. Most scouts (and books) don't
even know it.

Clifford Heath.

 

[glen walpert]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:14:41 +1000, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 11/6/19 5:42 am, RichD wrote:
Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could only remember
four. Contrary to Winston Churchill's quip, it appears whiskey has
taken more out me, than I've taken out of whiskey -

So I'm looking for a list of recommended knots to learn (or re-learn).
Now you retort: why come here, just find a book, sheesh!

The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many of them redundant.
It's called information overload. What I need is a curator. I figure a
dozen, I could handle that. More specifically, for each knot, WHAT
FOR,
what's the application?

Why am I asking this oddball question on this board?
Cuz the IQ of this group is 20 points above the rest of the internet.
Engineers know lots of useful stuff -

Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

--
Rich


Most people know figure-8 (stop knot), bowline, sheet bend, reef knot
and clove hitch. Drop the reef knot, and add the trucker's hitch (for
tying loads) and Hunter's knot for a very strong rope-joining bend.

Especially Hunter's knot, it's awesome. Most scouts (and books) don't
even know it.

Clifford Heath.

Hunter's hitch? Generally not recommended because of relatively low
strength and jams under moderate load. I would never use it; the
figure-8 bend, ring bend or double overhand bend are all better in all
regards. Just because you can't untie it doesn't mean it is strong!

My two preferred sources of knot info are "On Rope:..." by Bruce Smith,
which has excellent info on selecting the best rope for the job as well
as detailed info on the most useful climbing and rigging knots:

<https://www.amazon.com/Rope-American-Vertical-Techniques-Rappellers/
dp/1879961059>

And more applicable to my typical use, "The Tree Climber's Companion: A
Reference And Training Manual For Professional Tree Climbers". Since I
am not a professional I review the later book prior to every climb to be
sure I am not forgetting anything.

Both of these books emphasize learning a small number of knots very well,
rather than learning a large number of knots. They go well beyond what
the OP wanted, but they are fairly cheap and interesting IMHO.

Glen

 

glen walpert <nospam@null.void> wrote in news:A9PLE.26462$935.4795
@fx46.iad:

snipped it all

notty knotty naughty noughty

now-T

It is naughty and not appropriate to discuss noughty knots.



He's a real not here man...

Sitting in his nought here land...

Making all his knot here plans for knot bodies...

Doesn't have a knot to tie...

Unlike George he can knot lie...

Doesn't he knot like you and me...

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:19:42 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:

> bowline - easy to tie, won't self-constrict under tension

For some introductory sailing course I did a while ago, I had to learn
the bowline, the stopper, the sheet bend and the clove hitch. I practiced
tying them every evening for six months. This might sound excessive, but
for some reason I *seriously* struggled to remember how to tie them (even
the simplest ones) between practice sessions. Then one evening shortly
before my exam, I found I couldn't remember how to tie *any* of them. No
matter how hard I tried, I could not make any of those knots! Same next
evening and the next and the next. I withdrew from the exam - and sailing
in general as well as a result.
I'd be intrigued to know why, when I have such an excellent memory in all
other respects, there's just a gaping great hole in whatever part of the
brain it is that deals with tying knots. I find the whole process of
tying knots utterly baffling.
Still, I suppose we *all* have our shortcomings in some area or another.
:-/



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[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 7:47:01 AM UTC-7, glen walpert wrote:

My two preferred sources of knot info are "On Rope:..." by Bruce Smith,

And more applicable to my typical use, "The Tree Climber's Companion: A
Reference And Training Manual For Professional Tree Climbers".

Both of these books emphasize learning a small number of knots very well,
rather than learning a large number of knots.

On the other extreme, there's Encyclopedia of Knots and Fancy Rope Work, by
Graumont and Hensel (a good gift book if you know someone interested in macrame).
My go-to is Cyrus Day's _Knots and Splices_, which is more into the old school
of splicing (and whipping) natural fiber rope. I'm not as fond of the options for
slippery artificial fibers, but a good eye splice does amuse and relax me from time to time.

 

[RichD]

On June 10, George Herold wrote:

Recently I reviewed my old Boy Scout knots, and could
only remember four.
The problem is, those books feature 50+ knots, many
of them redundant. It's called information overload.
I figure a dozen, I could handle that. More specifically,
for each knot, WHAT FOR,
what's the application?
Any sailors/mountaineers/horsemen here?

What four knots do you know/ use?
Except for some weird fishing line knots, I may
only use four.

sheet bend - few people can distinguish this from
the square knot, which is less secure, but easier to tie.
double clove hitch - simple, useful for lashing a boat
to a pole, but depends on constant tension.
anchor hitch - simple, intuitive, very useful
hangman's noose - useful if you don't have an extra
horse to transport the varmint back to civilization.

I couldn't remember the bowline! Back in the day, I could
tie one with one hand, a good party trick -

--
Rich