NZ reverses ban on lamps

[Phil Allison]

Hi to all,

the Kiwis are leading to way back into the light by reversing previous plans
to ban the sale of the humble household incandescent light bulb.

http://national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=29097

Meanwhile, the poms are panic buying 100 watt bulbs as stocks disappear from
shops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html

We live in interesting times.....

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?


..... Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

On Jan 8, 3:47 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

Hi to all,

the Kiwis are leading to way back into the light by reversing previous plans
to ban the sale of the humble household incandescent light bulb.

http://national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=29097

Meanwhile, the poms are panic buying 100 watt bulbs as stocks disappear from
shops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-b...

We live in interesting times.....

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?

My stock are zero, I don't use'em.

Dave.

 

[Clifford Heath]

Phil Allison wrote:

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?

Not good enough. We have a lot of dimmers, and the lights
they're connected to are often operated at low levels,
maybe even lower power levels than a full-brightness CFL.
If there was an equivalent LED replacement available now,
I'd consider switching. As it is, the incandescent ban
will force me to remove the dimmers and/or change many
light fittings - I'll be stocking up instead.

Can anyone suggest a bulk supplier who'll sell by the box
at a good price? Middy's, perhaps?

Clifford Heath.

 

[Peter]

Clifford Heath wrote:

Can anyone suggest a bulk supplier who'll sell by the box
at a good price? Middy's, perhaps?

If you can't find a bulk supplier, Bunnings still seem to have a lot of
stock, but forget the supermarkets - they seem to have none.

Peter

 

[John Tserkezis]

David L. Jones wrote:

My stock are zero, I don't use'em.

So I take it you have no trouble finding the smaller lamp fitting format,
AND at a price that is within the realm of somewhat reasonable?

Because so far, neither is the case.

I'm stocking up on incandescents, because the CFLs are going to be easy to
get anyway, and so far, as far as failure rate goes (testing over a year) CFL
wins by a nose. Just a nose. Just accounting for life TIME, disregarding cost.
In other words, incandescents win by a mile on the value-for-money scale.

But screw that, dish out a few freebies to key voters, and let them sort out
the cost themselves later. Politics is more important.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>

 

[kreed]

On Jan 9, 8:07 am, Clifford Heath <n...@spam.please.net> wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:
How are your stocks of  60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?

Not good enough. We have a lot of dimmers, and the lights
they're connected to are often operated at low levels,
maybe even lower power levels than a full-brightness CFL.
If there was an equivalent LED replacement available now,
I'd consider switching. As it is, the incandescent ban
will force me to remove the dimmers and/or change many
light fittings - I'll be stocking up instead.

Was having a discussion about this with a friend who is a Real Estate
rental property manager. Many rental properties would have dimmers,
and its inevitable that
tenants are going to put CFL's into the dimmed sockets - (if they
arent already) for certain once they are banned.

I suggested that he get all the dimmers removed - This didn't go down
to well, considering the cost involved.

Can anyone suggest a bulk supplier who'll sell by the box
at a good price? Middy's, perhaps?

Clifford Heath.

 

[David L. Jones]

"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:496bcfc9$0$20620$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

David L. Jones wrote:

My stock are zero, I don't use'em.

So I take it you have no trouble finding the smaller lamp fitting format,

None what so ever, plenty of minature CF's around for my more unusual
(smaller) fittings.
Of course I was also smart enough to install compact fluro friendly fittings
when appropriate when I moved in.
I'm now starting to use the T5 flush mount circular fluros too for my most
used lights:
http://www.envirolux.com.au/
Very nice even light, high output, instant turn-on, no flicker,
wife-approved looks, and supposedly much longer life because they run cooler
with the external circuitry.

So rather than just bitch about the negative aspects of compact fluros's, as
many people on here tend to do, I did something about it and have no
problems what so ever.

AND at a price that is within the realm of somewhat reasonable?

Yep, I think so.

Because so far, neither is the case.

For you maybe.
I have no problems at all, thanks.

I'm stocking up on incandescents, because the CFLs are going to be easy
to get anyway, and so far, as far as failure rate goes (testing over a
year) CFL wins by a nose. Just a nose. Just accounting for life TIME,
disregarding cost.
In other words, incandescents win by a mile on the value-for-money scale.

Funny how some of my compact fluros's have been going for close to 10 years
now.

Only a few of the CF's I've had over the years have had either short life,
flicker, or slow warm up times. I didn't bitch about it, I simply used
appropriate fittings and found ones that worked as I wanted and expected.

Dave.

 

[swanny]

David L. Jones wrote:

"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:496bcfc9$0$20620$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
David L. Jones wrote:

My stock are zero, I don't use'em.
So I take it you have no trouble finding the smaller lamp fitting format,

None what so ever, plenty of minature CF's around for my more unusual
(smaller) fittings.
Of course I was also smart enough to install compact fluro friendly fittings
when appropriate when I moved in.
I'm now starting to use the T5 flush mount circular fluros too for my most
used lights:
http://www.envirolux.com.au/
Very nice even light, high output, instant turn-on, no flicker,
wife-approved looks, and supposedly much longer life because they run cooler
with the external circuitry.

Thanks for the link Dave, have been looking for something like this for a while.

 

[The Real Andy]

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:47:44 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

Hi to all,

the Kiwis are leading to way back into the light by reversing previous plans
to ban the sale of the humble household incandescent light bulb.

http://national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=29097

Meanwhile, the poms are panic buying 100 watt bulbs as stocks disappear from
shops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html

We live in interesting times.....

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?


.... Phil

I have a couple of light fittings that cant accomodate a decent CFL.
The 13W = 100W light output is crap if you ask me. I tried to buy a
CFL that would fit my light fixtures and they are a piss poor
alternative, not bright enough.

 

[David L. Jones]

"swanny" <blahgswan3blah@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote in message
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David L. Jones wrote:
"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:496bcfc9$0$20620$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
David L. Jones wrote:

My stock are zero, I don't use'em.
So I take it you have no trouble finding the smaller lamp fitting
format,

None what so ever, plenty of minature CF's around for my more unusual
(smaller) fittings.
Of course I was also smart enough to install compact fluro friendly
fittings
when appropriate when I moved in.
I'm now starting to use the T5 flush mount circular fluros too for my
most
used lights:
http://www.envirolux.com.au/
Very nice even light, high output, instant turn-on, no flicker,
wife-approved looks, and supposedly much longer life because they run
cooler
with the external circuitry.


Thanks for the link Dave, have been looking for something like this for a
while.

I've got this one in particular:
http://www.beaconshop.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=566&category_id=23&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
Available in two different wattage sizes.

Was supplied with a 4200K cool white globe, which I normally like, but I
found it much too harsh in my room in this case, almost blinding. Found the
2700K warm white was much better suited. Spare T5 globes were around $8
IRRC.

The "Megaman" brand compact fluros are also excellent, but quite expensive.
Available in a range of fittings.
http://www.megaman.cc/global/index.php

Dave.

 

[David L. Jones]

"David L. Jones" <altzone@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"swanny" <blahgswan3blah@blahbigpondblah.comblah.blahau> wrote in message
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David L. Jones wrote:
"John Tserkezis" <jt@techniciansyndrome.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:496bcfc9$0$20620$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
David L. Jones wrote:

My stock are zero, I don't use'em.
So I take it you have no trouble finding the smaller lamp fitting
format,

None what so ever, plenty of minature CF's around for my more unusual
(smaller) fittings.
Of course I was also smart enough to install compact fluro friendly
fittings
when appropriate when I moved in.
I'm now starting to use the T5 flush mount circular fluros too for my
most
used lights:
http://www.envirolux.com.au/
Very nice even light, high output, instant turn-on, no flicker,
wife-approved looks, and supposedly much longer life because they run
cooler
with the external circuitry.


Thanks for the link Dave, have been looking for something like this for a
while.

I've got this one in particular:
http://www.beaconshop.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=566&category_id=23&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
Available in two different wattage sizes.

Was supplied with a 4200K cool white globe, which I normally like, but I
found it much too harsh in my room in this case, almost blinding. Found
the 2700K warm white was much better suited. Spare T5 globes were around
$8 IRRC.

The "Megaman" brand compact fluros are also excellent, but quite
expensive. Available in a range of fittings.
http://www.megaman.cc/global/index.php

And yes, dimmable versions in normal and downlight style available too for
those who like to have a whinge.

Dave.

 

[David L. Jones]

"The Real Andy" <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:n1rom4hpj7a9uinh8hl6t7177r91ho3gl5@4ax.com...

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:47:44 +1100, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


Hi to all,

the Kiwis are leading to way back into the light by reversing previous
plans
to ban the sale of the humble household incandescent light bulb.

http://national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=29097

Meanwhile, the poms are panic buying 100 watt bulbs as stocks disappear
from
shops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html

We live in interesting times.....

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?


.... Phil


I have a couple of light fittings that cant accomodate a decent CFL.
The 13W = 100W light output is crap if you ask me.

You believed a dummed down consumer friendly marketing driven rough
comparison?
Real-life comparisons vary enormously depending on many factors.

I tried to buy a
CFL that would fit my light fixtures and they are a piss poor
alternative, not bright enough.

You need to look harder. There are now oodles of different types and the
wattage/size ratio seems to be improving every year.
Try:
http://www.megaman.cc/global/index.php
for starters.

Dave.

 

[Phil Allison]

"The Real Andy"

The 13W = 100W light output is crap if you ask me.

** Course it's crap
- as no CFL maker claims any such thing.

You stupid drunk prick.




...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

David L Jerkoff = LIAR

You need to look harder.

** No you fucking don't.

No consumer need search wider than their usual places of lamp supply.

Cos buying lamps for home use is not a fucking SAFARI !!

You VILE, SMUG AUTISTIC CUNT !!

There are now oodles of different types and the wattage/size ratio seems
to be improving every year.

** Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..

MORE FUCKING DLJ BOLLOCKS.






...... Phil

 

[Andy Wood]

The Real Andy <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:47:44 +1100, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


Hi to all,

the Kiwis are leading to way back into the light by reversing previous plans
to ban the sale of the humble household incandescent light bulb.

http://national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=29097

Meanwhile, the poms are panic buying 100 watt bulbs as stocks disappear from
shops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html

We live in interesting times.....

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?


.... Phil


I have a couple of light fittings that cant accomodate a decent CFL.
The 13W = 100W light output is crap if you ask me. I tried to buy a
CFL that would fit my light fixtures and they are a piss poor
alternative, not bright enough.

13W = 100W ?

The comparisons I have seen generally give about a 1:5 ratio, making
it closer to 13W equivalent to 60W.

Andy Wood
woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au

 

[keithr]

Andy Wood wrote:

The Real Andy <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:47:44 +1100, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

Hi to all,

the Kiwis are leading to way back into the light by reversing previous plans
to ban the sale of the humble household incandescent light bulb.

http://national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=29097

Meanwhile, the poms are panic buying 100 watt bulbs as stocks disappear from
shops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html

We live in interesting times.....

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?


.... Phil

I have a couple of light fittings that cant accomodate a decent CFL.
The 13W = 100W light output is crap if you ask me. I tried to buy a
CFL that would fit my light fixtures and they are a piss poor
alternative, not bright enough.

13W = 100W ?

The comparisons I have seen generally give about a 1:5 ratio, making
it closer to 13W equivalent to 60W.

Andy Wood
woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au

I have a couple of CFLs in the bedrooms. The CFL is integrated inside a
large frosted globe, they look nice and give a very diffused light, but
they take a hell of a time to warm up. They take nearly 5 minutes to
reach full brightness, they also give a faint green glow for a couple of
minutes after being turned off.

Anybody else seen this effect, other CFLs in the house do not exhibit
these characteristics.

Keith

 

[Eeyore]

The Real Andy wrote:

The 13W = 100W light output is crap if you ask me.

You need a 23W typ CFL to equal a 100W GLS lamp.

Look carefully on the packaging and the CFL is compared to a 'softone' i.e. low output bulb.

Graham

 

[The Real Andy]

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:33:09 GMT, woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au (Andy
Wood) wrote:

The Real Andy <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:47:44 +1100, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


Hi to all,

the Kiwis are leading to way back into the light by reversing previous plans
to ban the sale of the humble household incandescent light bulb.

http://national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=29097

Meanwhile, the poms are panic buying 100 watt bulbs as stocks disappear from
shops.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplies.html

We live in interesting times.....

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?


.... Phil


I have a couple of light fittings that cant accomodate a decent CFL.
The 13W = 100W light output is crap if you ask me. I tried to buy a
CFL that would fit my light fixtures and they are a piss poor
alternative, not bright enough.

13W = 100W ?

The comparisons I have seen generally give about a 1:5 ratio, making
it closer to 13W equivalent to 60W.

Andy Wood
woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au

Sorry ladies, I dont retain the exact figures in my head cause I
actually dont give two shits about it. I meant the claimed equivelent
output is nothing like an incandescent bulb. Regardless, when I can no
longer find incandescent bulbs I will be fitting arrays of quartz
halogens that will problaby draw 10 times the amount of power. In
fact, I am already doing that.

 

[fritz]

The Real Andy <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote in message news:lnutm4hv25tnk11608on5fh39fsi06ks73@4ax.com...

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:33:09 GMT, woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au (Andy
Wood) wrote:


The Real Andy <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:47:44 +1100, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


Hi to all,

the Kiwis are leading to way back into the light by reversing previous plans
to ban the sale of the humble household incandescent light bulb.

http://national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=29097

Meanwhile, the poms are panic buying 100 watt bulbs as stocks disappear from
shops.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1107290/Revolt-Robbed-right-buy-traditional-light-bulbs-millions-clearing-shelves-supplie
s.html

We live in interesting times.....

How are your stocks of 60, 75 and 100 watt bulbs?


.... Phil


I have a couple of light fittings that cant accomodate a decent CFL.
The 13W = 100W light output is crap if you ask me. I tried to buy a
CFL that would fit my light fixtures and they are a piss poor
alternative, not bright enough.

13W = 100W ?

The comparisons I have seen generally give about a 1:5 ratio, making
it closer to 13W equivalent to 60W.

Andy Wood
woodag@trap.ozemail.com.au

Sorry ladies, I dont retain the exact figures in my head cause I
actually dont give two shits about it. I meant the claimed equivelent
output is nothing like an incandescent bulb. Regardless, when I can no
longer find incandescent bulbs I will be fitting arrays of quartz
halogens that will problaby draw 10 times the amount of power. In
fact, I am already doing that.

The possible savings without glow-wire lamps are a minor part of the total picture.
Reducing the use of hot water would be a more effective aim.

 

[Mr.T]

"The Real Andy" <therealandy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:lnutm4hv25tnk11608on5fh39fsi06ks73@4ax.com...

Regardless, when I can no
longer find incandescent bulbs I will be fitting arrays of quartz
halogens that will problaby draw 10 times the amount of power. In
fact, I am already doing that.

As long as you can afford the electricity costs, especially when carbon
taxes are introduced, otherwise you may regret it.

MrT.