Nope, No One at the Helm

torsdag den 26. marts 2020 kl. 03.50.26 UTC+1 skrev whit3rd:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 3:43:35 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:

No state is going to release anything they may need in a couple of weeks.

Similarly, no country is going to..., no county is going to..., no hospital is going to... and no doctor is going to...

Hoarding stockpiles is a potentially very damaging misallocation of resources, and the
wartime powers exist to prevent over-stocking of closets where needed goods gather dust.

According to some news sources, doctors have been using preemptive ordering of
chloroquine (?) which is a potential treatment; that's not gonna end well.

here they simple banned doctors from prescribing it
 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 11:52:04 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 25/3/20 7:25 pm, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 9:47:46 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 25/3/20 11:44 am, Rick C wrote:
He also said they will need 140,000 hospital beds while they have 53,000. Clearly efforts to flatten the curve in NY are not working.

NY and other states are begging Trump to use his DPA powers to acquire more equipment but Trump is not doing a damn thing. He seems to be paralyzed. Well, not nothing. They are sending 400 ventilators from FEMA.

I guess NY should have voted for Trump.

They should take possession of Trump Tower and turn it into an emergency
hospital. It's not like anyone else will be staying there for the
foreseeable future.


They should take your house, as well.

If my house could save as many people as Trump Tower Hospital could, I
would have already donated it.

+1

--

Rick C.

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On 25/3/20 7:25 pm, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 9:47:46 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 25/3/20 11:44 am, Rick C wrote:
He also said they will need 140,000 hospital beds while they have 53,000. Clearly efforts to flatten the curve in NY are not working.

NY and other states are begging Trump to use his DPA powers to acquire more equipment but Trump is not doing a damn thing. He seems to be paralyzed. Well, not nothing. They are sending 400 ventilators from FEMA.

I guess NY should have voted for Trump.

They should take possession of Trump Tower and turn it into an emergency
hospital. It's not like anyone else will be staying there for the
foreseeable future.


They should take your house, as well.

If my house could save as many people as Trump Tower Hospital could, I
would have already donated it.
 
On 3/25/2020 10:01 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:25:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-03-25 08:41, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
Today Gov Cuomo said they have about 4,000 ventilators and have 7,000 more ordered. But they are going to need 30,000 more in the next 3 weeks. GM and Ford aren't going to be able to supply those. In three weeks they will still be in talks. Tesla seems to have delivered 1,000 in California, but I've heard no details.

He also said they will need 140,000 hospital beds while they have 53,000. Clearly efforts to flatten the curve in NY are not working.

NY and other states are begging Trump to use his DPA powers to acquire more equipment but Trump is not doing a damn thing. He seems to be paralyzed.. Well, not nothing. They are sending 400 ventilators from FEMA.


It's actually 4000. Cuomo can't do math. While ranting he said, we need
30K, they are sending 400, who is going to tell the 26K they are going to die?

But you're right about using DPA. The feds need to determine the total supply,
the run rate, take control of the supply, allocate it, figure out how to close
the gap. I knew Trump was a lying no good shyster from before he ran.
But even I underestimated his stupidity with something like this. A ten
year old could grasp it.

If I were in charge of another state with enough respirators for now, I
would be very reluctant to send them to NYC, because De Blasio would be
most unlikely to let go of them merely because my state needed them.

The NY Post reported that NYC didn't even get round to ordering supplies
until two weeks ago. (Meanwhile DB tried to blame Trump, naturally.) I
have several friends in NYC, and live in Westchester County, but I can
hardly fault more prudent folks for refusing to trust DB with the health
of their people.

NYC has been awfully irresponsible.

They had their Chinese Lunar New Year Parade on Feb. 9, 2020, capping
fifteen days of festivities.

But, that was ten days after the administration stopped travel
Jan. 31st, and thirteen days after the U.S. State Dept. issued
travel warnings on Jan. 27th, so ... who knew?

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-lunar-new-year-parade-showcases-support-for-china-wuhan/2283603/

quote>A banner on one float read “Support Wuhan! Let's fight the
virus together!"</quote

Oh dear...

The NYC Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot helpfully tweeted
"I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans
due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus."

NYC seems to be the center of the U.S. epidemic, and the source
of spread. I blame the president.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Yes, the Trump administration does prefer people to die. Many people
would be good. See, they work for billionaires. When lots of people get
sick at the same time they start demanding money and healthcare and such
and start making the billionaires lose money. That's unacceptable.
Viruses are hard to get rid of, but people, you can dispose of them much
easier.

Wouldn't it be better if there were much fewer people? If the people
keep getting sick and needing to be bailed out and taking money from the
billionaires they may have to step up to incinerators.
 
On 3/25/2020 8:30 PM, mpm wrote:
You know, I'm just not sure which Coronavirus thread to put this in?

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_iBOg5OfBg

Well, at least he got the doughnut.
 
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 6:20:59 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/25/2020 10:01 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:25:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-03-25 08:41, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
Today Gov Cuomo said they have about 4,000 ventilators and have 7,000 more ordered. But they are going to need 30,000 more in the next 3 weeks.. GM and Ford aren't going to be able to supply those. In three weeks they will still be in talks. Tesla seems to have delivered 1,000 in California, but I've heard no details.

He also said they will need 140,000 hospital beds while they have 53,000. Clearly efforts to flatten the curve in NY are not working.

NY and other states are begging Trump to use his DPA powers to acquire more equipment but Trump is not doing a damn thing. He seems to be paralyzed.. Well, not nothing. They are sending 400 ventilators from FEMA.


It's actually 4000. Cuomo can't do math. While ranting he said, we need
30K, they are sending 400, who is going to tell the 26K they are going to die?

But you're right about using DPA. The feds need to determine the total supply,
the run rate, take control of the supply, allocate it, figure out how to close
the gap. I knew Trump was a lying no good shyster from before he ran..
But even I underestimated his stupidity with something like this. A ten
year old could grasp it.

If I were in charge of another state with enough respirators for now, I
would be very reluctant to send them to NYC, because De Blasio would be
most unlikely to let go of them merely because my state needed them.

The NY Post reported that NYC didn't even get round to ordering supplies
until two weeks ago. (Meanwhile DB tried to blame Trump, naturally.) I
have several friends in NYC, and live in Westchester County, but I can
hardly fault more prudent folks for refusing to trust DB with the health
of their people.

NYC has been awfully irresponsible.

They had their Chinese Lunar New Year Parade on Feb. 9, 2020, capping
fifteen days of festivities.

But, that was ten days after the administration stopped travel
Jan. 31st, and thirteen days after the U.S. State Dept. issued
travel warnings on Jan. 27th, so ... who knew?

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-lunar-new-year-parade-showcases-support-for-china-wuhan/2283603/

quote>A banner on one float read “Support Wuhan! Let's fight the
virus together!"</quote

Oh dear...

The NYC Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot helpfully tweeted
"I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans
due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus."

NYC seems to be the center of the U.S. epidemic, and the source
of spread. I blame the president.

Cheers,
James Arthur


Yes, the Trump administration does prefer people to die. Many people
would be good. See, they work for billionaires. When lots of people get
sick at the same time they start demanding money and healthcare and such
and start making the billionaires lose money. That's unacceptable.
Viruses are hard to get rid of, but people, you can dispose of them much
easier.

Wouldn't it be better if there were much fewer people? If the people
keep getting sick and needing to be bailed out and taking money from the
billionaires they may have to step up to incinerators.

I stubbed my toe yesterday. I blame the president for that, too.
Because didn't he disband the national toe-stubbing response team?
So he could give all the money to billionaires from Pluto?

I'm pretty sure he did.

Cheers,
James Arthur
 
On 3/26/2020 12:34 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 6:20:59 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/25/2020 10:01 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:25:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-03-25 08:41, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
Today Gov Cuomo said they have about 4,000 ventilators and have 7,000 more ordered. But they are going to need 30,000 more in the next 3 weeks. GM and Ford aren't going to be able to supply those. In three weeks they will still be in talks. Tesla seems to have delivered 1,000 in California, but I've heard no details.

He also said they will need 140,000 hospital beds while they have 53,000. Clearly efforts to flatten the curve in NY are not working.

NY and other states are begging Trump to use his DPA powers to acquire more equipment but Trump is not doing a damn thing. He seems to be paralyzed.. Well, not nothing. They are sending 400 ventilators from FEMA.


It's actually 4000. Cuomo can't do math. While ranting he said, we need
30K, they are sending 400, who is going to tell the 26K they are going to die?

But you're right about using DPA. The feds need to determine the total supply,
the run rate, take control of the supply, allocate it, figure out how to close
the gap. I knew Trump was a lying no good shyster from before he ran.
But even I underestimated his stupidity with something like this. A ten
year old could grasp it.

If I were in charge of another state with enough respirators for now, I
would be very reluctant to send them to NYC, because De Blasio would be
most unlikely to let go of them merely because my state needed them.

The NY Post reported that NYC didn't even get round to ordering supplies
until two weeks ago. (Meanwhile DB tried to blame Trump, naturally.) I
have several friends in NYC, and live in Westchester County, but I can
hardly fault more prudent folks for refusing to trust DB with the health
of their people.

NYC has been awfully irresponsible.

They had their Chinese Lunar New Year Parade on Feb. 9, 2020, capping
fifteen days of festivities.

But, that was ten days after the administration stopped travel
Jan. 31st, and thirteen days after the U.S. State Dept. issued
travel warnings on Jan. 27th, so ... who knew?

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-lunar-new-year-parade-showcases-support-for-china-wuhan/2283603/

quote>A banner on one float read “Support Wuhan! Let's fight the
virus together!"</quote

Oh dear...

The NYC Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot helpfully tweeted
"I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans
due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus."

NYC seems to be the center of the U.S. epidemic, and the source
of spread. I blame the president.

Cheers,
James Arthur


Yes, the Trump administration does prefer people to die. Many people
would be good. See, they work for billionaires. When lots of people get
sick at the same time they start demanding money and healthcare and such
and start making the billionaires lose money. That's unacceptable.
Viruses are hard to get rid of, but people, you can dispose of them much
easier.

Wouldn't it be better if there were much fewer people? If the people
keep getting sick and needing to be bailed out and taking money from the
billionaires they may have to step up to incinerators.

I stubbed my toe yesterday. I blame the president for that, too.
Because didn't he disband the national toe-stubbing response team?
So he could give all the money to billionaires from Pluto?

I'm pretty sure he did.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Late capitalism notices some of the people's faith in the market system
has been shaken and they seem perturbed about e.g. cruise companies and
airlines getting first dibs on emergency aid funding.

It finds their lack of faith disturbing. It wonders if perhaps harsher
methods are needed to maintain free-market morale and if democracy
perhaps really does blossom out of the barrel of a gun
 
On 3/26/2020 12:34 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 6:20:59 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 3/25/2020 10:01 PM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:25:06 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-03-25 08:41, Whoey Louie wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
Today Gov Cuomo said they have about 4,000 ventilators and have 7,000 more ordered. But they are going to need 30,000 more in the next 3 weeks. GM and Ford aren't going to be able to supply those. In three weeks they will still be in talks. Tesla seems to have delivered 1,000 in California, but I've heard no details.

He also said they will need 140,000 hospital beds while they have 53,000. Clearly efforts to flatten the curve in NY are not working.

NY and other states are begging Trump to use his DPA powers to acquire more equipment but Trump is not doing a damn thing. He seems to be paralyzed.. Well, not nothing. They are sending 400 ventilators from FEMA.


It's actually 4000. Cuomo can't do math. While ranting he said, we need
30K, they are sending 400, who is going to tell the 26K they are going to die?

But you're right about using DPA. The feds need to determine the total supply,
the run rate, take control of the supply, allocate it, figure out how to close
the gap. I knew Trump was a lying no good shyster from before he ran.
But even I underestimated his stupidity with something like this. A ten
year old could grasp it.

If I were in charge of another state with enough respirators for now, I
would be very reluctant to send them to NYC, because De Blasio would be
most unlikely to let go of them merely because my state needed them.

The NY Post reported that NYC didn't even get round to ordering supplies
until two weeks ago. (Meanwhile DB tried to blame Trump, naturally.) I
have several friends in NYC, and live in Westchester County, but I can
hardly fault more prudent folks for refusing to trust DB with the health
of their people.

NYC has been awfully irresponsible.

They had their Chinese Lunar New Year Parade on Feb. 9, 2020, capping
fifteen days of festivities.

But, that was ten days after the administration stopped travel
Jan. 31st, and thirteen days after the U.S. State Dept. issued
travel warnings on Jan. 27th, so ... who knew?

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-lunar-new-year-parade-showcases-support-for-china-wuhan/2283603/

quote>A banner on one float read “Support Wuhan! Let's fight the
virus together!"</quote

Oh dear...

The NYC Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot helpfully tweeted
"I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans
due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus."

NYC seems to be the center of the U.S. epidemic, and the source
of spread. I blame the president.

Cheers,
James Arthur


Yes, the Trump administration does prefer people to die. Many people
would be good. See, they work for billionaires. When lots of people get
sick at the same time they start demanding money and healthcare and such
and start making the billionaires lose money. That's unacceptable.
Viruses are hard to get rid of, but people, you can dispose of them much
easier.

Wouldn't it be better if there were much fewer people? If the people
keep getting sick and needing to be bailed out and taking money from the
billionaires they may have to step up to incinerators.

I stubbed my toe yesterday. I blame the president for that, too.
Because didn't he disband the national toe-stubbing response team?
So he could give all the money to billionaires from Pluto?

I'm pretty sure he did.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Soviet communism required a lot of lying to the people to rob them, one
of the reasons it fell was the lies became just too large to sustain.

The way government and industry collude in the much more efficient
upwards-wealth-redistrubtion system the US has is a lot more elegant in
its simplicity you just tell the people pretty much straight out what
you're going to do you don't lie about it. So long as they're relatively
convinced you're stealing more from someone else than themselves a large
number of citizens are fine, even feel comfortable with that fashion of
brutal honesty. Trump is rather good at being brutally honest it never
seems to work much against him.

Sort of like how if you're married and cheat on your wife by deception
very good chance she's going to be at least very annoyed, but there are
many men out there with two or three girlfriends and none of the women
particularly unhappy about the situation.

After an American woman has been cheated on by two or three or four
lying goofy boyfriends previously they tend to develop a certain respect
for a man who can tell her honestly "I have no interest in marrying you
and I'm gonna fuck other ladies when I feel like it, OK?"

However repeated trillion-dollar taxpayer-funded bailouts to the
super-rich do tend to be hard to swallow even for the dullest American,
though, as it hangs a really big lampshade on y'know, the likely
mechanism by which the super-rich became super-rich in the first place.
You want to try to do that only every 5-10 y,ears or so if you can help it.
 

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