Nominal voltage of zinc chloride cell

J

John

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I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
has a voltage of 1.69v.

Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
potential?

I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
Budget zinc chloride1:
no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v

Budget zinc chloride2:
no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v

part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v

part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v


Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
observations?
 
John wrote:
I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
has a voltage of 1.69v.

Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
potential?

I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
Budget zinc chloride1:
no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v

Budget zinc chloride2:
no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v

part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v

part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v


Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
observations?
Click to expand...


More data:
http://www.powerstream.com/AA-tests.htm
 
"John" <name@email.com> wrote in message
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|I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
| I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
| has a voltage of 1.69v.
|
| Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
| potential?
|
| I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
| Budget zinc chloride1:
| no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v
|
| Budget zinc chloride2:
| no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v
|
| part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
| no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v
|
| part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
| no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v
|
|
| Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
| observations?

My observation would be someone gave you a digital voltmeter
for xmas and you didn't know what else to do with it?
 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:17:17 GMT, John <name@email.com> wrote:

I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
has a voltage of 1.69v.

Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
potential?

I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
Budget zinc chloride1:
no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v

Budget zinc chloride2:
no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v

part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v

part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v


Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
observations?
Sure.
Click to expand...
What happens when you put them upside down?

The polarity changes! Whouuww!

w.
 
On 27 Feb, 01:17, John <n...@email.com> wrote:
I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.  
I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v.  A different brand
has a voltage of 1.69v.

Isn't that rather high?  How can the manufacturers cram such a high
potential?

I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
Budget zinc chloride1:
no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v

Budget zinc chloride2:
no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v

part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:  
no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v

part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v

Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride!  Any
observations?
Click to expand...
See the ANSI standard for primary cells - the 2001 version
downloadable from here:-

www.nema.org/stds/complimentary-docs/upload/C18_1M_Pt1.pdf

max open circuit voltage for a Zinc Carbon/Chloride is 1.8V per cell
 
"John" <name@email.com> wrote in message
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I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
has a voltage of 1.69v.

Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
potential?

I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
Budget zinc chloride1:
no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v

Budget zinc chloride2:
no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v

part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v

part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v


Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
observations?
Click to expand...


You can't rely on a little load at 150ma, why not try 0.5 - 1 amp? You will
see a better picture, right now you see gray picture. Not a good source to
make a determination. Repeat the test several times to make sure your
meter is out of wax.



...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens
|
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et
|
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"Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
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"John" <name@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A51D1A72FF871F3M4@127.0.0.1...
|I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
| I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
| has a voltage of 1.69v.
|
| Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
| potential?
|
| I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
| Budget zinc chloride1:
| no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v
|
| Budget zinc chloride2:
| no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v
|
| part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
| no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v
|
| part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
| no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v
|
|
| Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
| observations?

My observation would be someone gave you a digital voltmeter
for xmas and you didn't know what else to do with it?
Click to expand...

Good guess, I was going to say his meter is out of wax.



...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens
|
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the Bastards.
 
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:fq3li6$u4g$1@aioe.org...
|
| "John" <name@email.com> wrote in message
| news:Xns9A51D1A72FF871F3M4@127.0.0.1...
| >I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
| > I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
| > has a voltage of 1.69v.
| >
| > Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
| > potential?
| >
| > I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
| > Budget zinc chloride1:
| > no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v
| >
| > Budget zinc chloride2:
| > no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v
| >
| > part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
| > no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v
| >
| > part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
| > no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v
| >
| >
| > Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
| > observations?
|
|
|
| You can't rely on a little load at 150ma, why not try 0.5 - 1 amp? You
will
| see a better picture, right now you see gray picture. Not a good source
to
| make a determination. Repeat the test several times to make sure your
| meter is out of wax.
|
Perhaps he should measure the beam current of a 26" TV tube
with his new toy.
 
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I would lay odds that "Jim Thompson" didn't actually write...
You can't rely on a little load at 150ma, why not try 0.5 - 1 amp? You
will
see a better picture, right now you see gray picture. Not a good source
to
make a determination. Repeat the test several times to make sure your
meter is out of wax.



...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. |
mens
|
| Analog Innovations, Inc. |
et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962
|

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the Bastards.


as he is a native English speaker, and the idiot whose best use of time
Click to expand...
seems to be to try to spoof other people clearly isn't.
 
On Feb 27, 3:42 am, ROB L <h.le...@connect-2.co.uk> wrote:
On 27 Feb, 01:17, John <n...@email.com> wrote:
I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
Click to expand...
Look at page 6 of this document. There is a perfectly good technical
explanation for the shape of the discharge curve, but I can't tell
you. We wouldn't want the terrorists to get their hands on this
information, would we?

http://www.duracell.com/oem/Pdf/others/ATB-full.pdf

More about batteries:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/index.htm

Dangerous Bill
 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:42:33 -0800 (PST), ROB L
<h.lewis@connect-2.co.uk> wrote:


See the ANSI standard for primary cells - the 2001 version
downloadable from here:-

www.nema.org/stds/complimentary-docs/upload/C18_1M_Pt1.pdf

max open circuit voltage for a Zinc Carbon/Chloride is 1.8V per cell
Click to expand...
The standard costs between 68 and 75 bucks, per section. Your link is
to the "scope of" summary.

RL
 
"Cornelius J Rat" <corneliusjrat@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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(Un-cross-posted)

I would lay odds that "Jim Thompson" didn't actually write...


You can't rely on a little load at 150ma, why not try 0.5 - 1 amp? You'll
will
see a better picture, right now you see a gray picture. Not a good
source
to make a determination. Repeat the test several times to make sure
your
meter is out of wax.



...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. |
mens
|
| Analog Innovations, Inc. |
et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 |
|
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962
|

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the Bastards.



as he is a native English Sneaker, and the idiot "Cornelius J Rat" whose
best use of time seems to be to play around with people's posts clearly is
a Rat.
Click to expand...
Hey Rat,
I won't disagree with you Rat Bastard, I love your cute
name.......Heehee.......Dontchaknow?.......
I can still do business with you, pls see details of my work below:

Regards..

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the Bastards.
 
"Bill Penrose" <penrose@iit.edu> wrote in message
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On Feb 27, 3:42 am, ROB L <h.le...@connect-2.co.uk> wrote:
On 27 Feb, 01:17, John <n...@email.com> wrote:
I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.

Look at page 6 of this document. There is a perfectly good technical
explanation for the shape of the discharge curve, but I can't tell
you. We wouldn't want the terrorists to get their hands on this
information, would we?

http://www.duracell.com/oem/Pdf/others/ATB-full.pdf

More about batteries:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/index.htm

Dangerous Bill
Click to expand...


Dunno if I can trust Duracell, their 2-hr charger took 8-9 hrs to charge
2500ma batteries, and the universities are full of hypers.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the Rat Bastards.
 
On 27 Feb, 18:54, legg <l...@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:42:33 -0800 (PST), ROB L

h.le...@connect-2.co.uk> wrote:

See the ANSI standard for primary cells - the 2001 version
downloadable from here:-

www.nema.org/stds/complimentary-docs/upload/C18_1M_Pt1.pdf

max open circuit voltage for a Zinc Carbon/Chloride is 1.8V per cell

The standard costs between 68 and 75 bucks, per section. Your link is
to the "scope of" summary.

RL
Click to expand...
So it is. Best try here then:-

http://www.hekta.org/~hpee0705/ansi%20c181mpart1.pdf

This is for the 2001 version : for 2005 you must pay the bucks
 
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:17:17 GMT, John <name@email.com> wrote:

I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
has a voltage of 1.69v.

Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
potential?

I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
Budget zinc chloride1:
no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v

Budget zinc chloride2:
no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v

part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v

part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v


Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
observations?
Click to expand...
Yes, you bought a Chinese voltmeter.

P.
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
"Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
news:pU4xj.35903$jH4.21751@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"John" <name@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A51D1A72FF871F3M4@127.0.0.1...
|I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA cells.
| I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different brand
| has a voltage of 1.69v.
|
| Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
| potential?
|
| I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
| Budget zinc chloride1:
| no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v
|
| Budget zinc chloride2:
| no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v
|
| part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
| no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v
|
| part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
| no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v
|
|
| Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
| observations?

My observation would be someone gave you a digital voltmeter
for xmas and you didn't know what else to do with it?


Good guess, I was going to say his meter is out of wax.
Click to expand...

No problem! He can use a big ole screwdriver to pry a chunk out of
each ear, and he'll be all set for another couple months.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
John wrote:

part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v
Click to expand...
Hey, I want some of those "alkyline" cells - the voltage gets higher
when you use them!

Hmmm, 8% rise over 15 seconds. That's about double the voltage every
couple of minutes. By the end of the day, I'd have more volts than I'd
ever use.

Peter
 
On Feb 27, 6:15 pm, Pete <pjet...@pobox.com> wrote:
Hey, I want some of those "alkyline" cells - the voltage gets higher
when you use them!

Hmmm, 8% rise over 15 seconds. That's about double the voltage every
couple of minutes. By the end of the day, I'd have more volts than I'd
ever use.
Click to expand...
Be careful. If you draw too much current from them, the resulting
ionization flash will melt everything in your house.

DB
 
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Jim Thompson wrote:

"Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
news:pU4xj.35903$jH4.21751@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"John" <name@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A51D1A72FF871F3M4@127.0.0.1...
|I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA
cells.
| I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different
brand
| has a voltage of 1.69v.
|
| Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
| potential?
|
| I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
| Budget zinc chloride1:
| no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v
|
| Budget zinc chloride2:
| no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v
|
| part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
| no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v
|
| part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
| no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v
|
|
| Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
| observations?

My observation would be someone gave you a digital voltmeter
for xmas and you didn't know what else to do with it?


Good guess, I was going to say his meter is out of wax.


No problem! He can use a big ole screwdriver to pry a chunk out of
each ear, and he'll be all set for another couple months.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Click to expand...


Whatsamatta poor soldier? No friend? Can't help it? too lonely? Your
big problem is, you're such a dumbfuck chipmunk follower. And no God is not
blessing America as you asked. Do you know why? You guys sinned against
God Big time, you killed million innocents and you do not count them.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens
|
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 |
|
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Rat Bastard |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962
|

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the Bastards.
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:47C6157C.FDB5CC01@earthlink.net...
Jim Thompson wrote:

"Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
news:pU4xj.35903$jH4.21751@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"John" <name@email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A51D1A72FF871F3M4@127.0.0.1...
|I am in the Uk and recently bought some budget zinc chloride AAA
cells.
| I was surprised they has a no-load voltage of 1.65v. A different
brand
| has a voltage of 1.69v.
|
| Isn't that rather high? How can the manufacturers cram such a high
| potential?
|
| I did a few checks on some AAA cells....
| Budget zinc chloride1:
| no load = 1.65v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.44v
|
| Budget zinc chloride2:
| no load = 1.69v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.45v
|
| part-used Duracell M3 alkyline:
| no load = 1.45v: after 15secs at 150mA = 1.56v
|
| part-used Energizer NiMH rechargeable:
| no load = 1.33v; after 15secs at 150mA = 1.24v
|
|
| Not too sure what this shows about thos zinc chloride! Any
| observations?

My observation would be someone gave you a digital voltmeter
for xmas and you didn't know what else to do with it?


Good guess, I was going to say his meter is out of wax.


No problem! He can use a big ole screwdriver to pry a chunk out of
each ear, and he'll be all set for another couple months.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Whatsamatta poor soldier? No friend? Can't help it? too lonely? Your
big problem is, you're such a dumbfuck chipmunk follower. And no God is not
blessing America as you asked. Do you know why? You guys sinned against
God Big time, you killed million innocents and you do not count them.
Click to expand...

Yawn. What a patheitc forgery.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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