Nobody wants to be an apprentice these days.

[The real Andy]

Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course, was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days, so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

 

[Eric]

Well I thought I was so clever doing a trade, back in the 70's, now it is
all turned to shit,

That's not so bad, it's the asreholes in the trade that think they know
everything, but you can never learn anything from them, they are qiuck to
shot you down, A few months ago I told a trade Email group about a silicon
chip project, I never got any thanks for my post, some dude put me down
saying, "I don't need that I can do most of that with my computer" well
there might be cases at your work bench were you don't wont a computer, or a
computer might cost to much, then if some bosses gave a computer to his
workers they might start playing games on it, while they should be working.

Anyway it put it short I have given up putting any short of free time into
the electronic service trade, like report on projects I find in magazines
like Elektor Electronics & Silicon chip, they are nothing but a bunch of
ungrateful arseholes

and now I stand back for more crap the follows this posting.


"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
: Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
: an apprentice these days.
:
: One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
was
: offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
never
: showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
: apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
: backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
so
: you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.
:
:

 

[Apollo]

"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote

Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course, was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days, so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

A client of mine run a flight simulator.
They also were advertising (for quite a while)
for an apprentice - with no applications.
I would have thought it was a dream job -
that one was in an out of the way location,
though.

 

[Eric]

Just another example or two

A few years ago I read in the newspaper how Sanyo was going to action off
their factory bits & pieces after they closed down, the next week someone
came into the workshop I was working in, and told us. I could of said "yes I
do get the papers you know, I can read", instead I said "No I don't know,
thank you for taking the trouble to come and tell us"

The other day, I asked a group if someone knew the code to "unlock" a
Thomson TV. Then after a few hours I had a idea, why not take out the EEPROM
save the contents to file, then set every memory location to hex 00 or 11 or
something, then put it back in, when I took the back off, I saw a 2.4 volt
battery, so I unsoldered one end for a few seconds and resolded it, that
was all that was needed to get rid of the "unlock" from the TV.
I told the Email group what I did, not even the two jokers that know
everything commented like "thanks Eric, be sure to pass on any other ideas,
who knows you might just get someone out of trouble by surprise.

By the way that reminds me once I got a service manual (a copy of our trade
suppliers) there were notes on the service manual that came up clear on the
copy, I was one of the biggest contributor for fault reports to the NZ
origination ETSA, I months I was undecided whether to sent these note in, I
never like sending in other information apart from my own, anyway it got
sent in, and printed in the monthly bulletin, the day some workshop in NZ
got the bulletin in the mail, they found that information useful, and
reported back to Fred Ritchie at ETSA,

Would I ever do that again thanks the trade and how they have treated me
over the years "GET STUFFED"




"Eric" <some1@clare.co.nz> wrote in message news:3f826bd9@clear.net.nz...
: Well I thought I was so clever doing a trade, back in the 70's, now it is
: all turned to shit,
:
: That's not so bad, it's the asreholes in the trade that think they know
: everything, but you can never learn anything from them, they are qiuck to
: shot you down, A few months ago I told a trade Email group about a
silicon
: chip project, I never got any thanks for my post, some dude put me down
: saying, "I don't need that I can do most of that with my computer" well
: there might be cases at your work bench were you don't wont a computer, or
a
: computer might cost to much, then if some bosses gave a computer to his
: workers they might start playing games on it, while they should be
working.
:
: Anyway it put it short I have given up putting any short of free time into
: the electronic service trade, like report on projects I find in magazines
: like Elektor Electronics & Silicon chip, they are nothing but a bunch of
: ungrateful arseholes
:
: and now I stand back for more crap the follows this posting.
:
:
: "The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
: news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
: : Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to
be
: : an apprentice these days.
: :
: : One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
: was
: : offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
: never
: : showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
: : apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
: : backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
: so
: : you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.
: :
: :
:
:

 

[Martin, VK2UMJ]

"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

And those of us that really do want the work are too damn old to be an
apprentice!!

I did my "Certificate in Electronics (Trade)" course in 1991 - 1993 (3 year
course), but because I wasn't an apprentice at the time, the TAFE
"qualification" means sweet stuff all in the real world, and now 35 is just
too damn old for an apprenticeship.

Of course, if someone decides to employ an ageing 'trainee technician', I'll
be only too pleased to discuss the position!!!



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The real Andy wrote:

Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course, was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days, so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

What qualification would the apprentice finish with, and what would be the period
of apprenticeship? And the pay? Unfortunately there are other industries that
offer potentially more career choices and advancement which are very attractive
to students.

Where have you advertised, other than this ng? The local rag may not be the best place.
Has your company tried the local TAFE college?

Also, perhaps your company could offer a different carrot?

Trainee electronics technical officer, with a possibility to advance to a degree
qualification in the future, if the applicant is suitable?

--

David

 

[Andrew & Karina]

I wonder why ?
probably coz there's no money in *electronics*..........
I was an apprentice 16 years ago , got crap money ( after tax & compulsory
super was taken out , I was worse off than people on the dole ! )
got the crap jobs given to me......but.......
I did learn a lot........on-the-job training they call it , but now I'm in
my mid 30's and can't get a job coz I haven't got a *degree*.......
Can't blame young people for steering clear of apprenticeships........

Andrew

"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

 

[Stephen]

I think what puts most young people off today is that its usually shit
money, and you get treated like shit to.

"Andrew & Karina" <andrewandkarina@SPAMZZZoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f829ba7$0$6524$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

I wonder why ?
probably coz there's no money in *electronics*..........
I was an apprentice 16 years ago , got crap money ( after tax & compulsory
super was taken out , I was worse off than people on the dole ! )
got the crap jobs given to me......but.......
I did learn a lot........on-the-job training they call it , but now I'm in
my mid 30's and can't get a job coz I haven't got a *degree*.......
Can't blame young people for steering clear of apprenticeships........

Andrew

"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to
be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

 

[john]

I don think it's the money, I think it's the enormous knowledge require to
perform your tasks (e.g. maths, read datasheet, learn various computer
software packages and etc) and lack of jobs around that is putting young
people off. An electrician on the other hand requires very little knowledge
to perform their tasks and there is lot of jobs around.

"Stephen" <sxxxx@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bluf2l$fh6pb$1@ID-194817.news.uni-berlin.de...

I think what puts most young people off today is that its usually shit
money, and you get treated like shit to.

"Andrew & Karina" <andrewandkarina@SPAMZZZoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
message
news:3f829ba7$0$6524$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
I wonder why ?
probably coz there's no money in *electronics*..........
I was an apprentice 16 years ago , got crap money ( after tax &
compulsory
super was taken out , I was worse off than people on the dole ! )
got the crap jobs given to me......but.......
I did learn a lot........on-the-job training they call it , but now I'm
in
my mid 30's and can't get a job coz I haven't got a *degree*.......
Can't blame young people for steering clear of apprenticeships........

Andrew

"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants
to
be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational
course,
was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent
over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these
days,
so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

 

[cdb]

As a by the by, I was surprised when speaking to my neighbours 13 year old,
that they don't learn any advanced mathmatics until 16 or 17.

Nor do they have lessons that I'd recognise as Physics or Chemistry, rather
they have a sort of general science, which looks as thought it is at a very
slightly higher level than the 'Why' type of television programme.

I assume that the syllabus is the same for State and private school in Qld..

In many (but not all) state schools in the UK, electronics is part of one
the science subjects (subset of physics), I believe Germany may have a
similar course in their schools.

Even though electronics wasn't an available subject when I was at school, we
did trig and calculus from 2nd year onwards (12.5 to 13.5 years old) as well
physics, chemistry and biology - ahh the dead rats and rabbits for
dissection - lovely!

Colin



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[Yobbo]

To :The real Andy

I sent you a email last week, asking if you would be intrested in a adult
apprentice (aged 33) but you have not replied, cheers Ian
"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

 

[The real Andy]

The difference here ol' biiter eric, is that this is a reasonably well
paying INDUSTRIAL trade. We don't do consumer repairs. We repair expensive,
good quality equipment that is worth repairing.

From your numerous post over the years I figure you do domestic repairs. If
you can make a living out of that you either have a good bank manager or are
extremely fast at repairing stuff with nothing.




"Eric" <some1@clare.co.nz> wrote in message news:3f826bd9@clear.net.nz...

Well I thought I was so clever doing a trade, back in the 70's, now it is
all turned to shit,

That's not so bad, it's the asreholes in the trade that think they know
everything, but you can never learn anything from them, they are qiuck to
shot you down, A few months ago I told a trade Email group about a
silicon
chip project, I never got any thanks for my post, some dude put me down
saying, "I don't need that I can do most of that with my computer" well
there might be cases at your work bench were you don't wont a computer, or
a
computer might cost to much, then if some bosses gave a computer to his
workers they might start playing games on it, while they should be
working.

Anyway it put it short I have given up putting any short of free time into
the electronic service trade, like report on projects I find in magazines
like Elektor Electronics & Silicon chip, they are nothing but a bunch of
ungrateful arseholes

and now I stand back for more crap the follows this posting.


"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
: Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to
be
: an apprentice these days.
:
: One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
was
: offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
never
: showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
: apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
: backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
so
: you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.
:
:

 

[The real Andy]

<dmmilne@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:3F828BA3.E19BD809@ozemail.com.au...

The real Andy wrote:

Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to
be
an apprentice these days.

One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
was
offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
never
showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
so
you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

What qualification would the apprentice finish with, and what would be the
period
of apprenticeship? And the pay? Unfortunately there are other industries
that
offer potentially more career choices and advancement which are very
attractive
to students.

The pay is the same as any apprenticeship. One of our second year
apprentices is nearly paid a tradesmans wage because he is extremely good at
what he does. Period is the same as any electronics apprenticeship, 4 years.
The company pays quite well.

Where have you advertised, other than this ng? The local rag may not be
the best place.
Has your company tried the local TAFE college?

Advertised in this NG, Brisbane Paper, Local TAFE (thats how we nearly got
one lad who never turned up) through a few schools with TAFE programs.

Also, perhaps your company could offer a different carrot?

Trainee electronics technical officer, with a possibility to advance to a
degree
qualification in the future, if the applicant is suitable?

Its an apprenticeship, you get trained to do repairs. If you wanted to go
further, the company would be more than happy to support you.

 

[The real Andy]

"john" <john@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3f82d6e8@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

I don think it's the money, I think it's the enormous knowledge require to
perform your tasks (e.g. maths, read datasheet, learn various computer
software packages and etc) and lack of jobs around that is putting young
people off. An electrician on the other hand requires very little
knowledge
to perform their tasks and there is lot of jobs around.

The money I think is around $200/38hour week for a first year apprentice.
RDO every 4 weeeks (same as electrical trade). When I was an apprentice I
think I got near the $100 mark, and I was not living with my parents. I got
treated like shit. These days, the worst thing a 1st year apprentice does is
take the rubbish out. If the apprentice is fixing stuff, then he makes the
company $100 bucks an hour. Now if that isn't encouragement to train them
fast then nothing is.

 

[The real Andy]

"Yobbo" <ihassall@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:aTGgb.140517$bo1.47381@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

To :The real Andy

I sent you a email last week, asking if you would be intrested in a adult
apprentice (aged 33) but you have not replied, cheers Ian

Actually, I did not get an email from you. IF you replied to the newsgroup
email address then you probably did not make it into the inbox. That virus
has been killing the yahoo address.

 

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:42:28 +1000, "The real Andy"
<ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

"john" <john@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3f82d6e8@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
I don think it's the money, I think it's the enormous knowledge require to
perform your tasks (e.g. maths, read datasheet, learn various computer
software packages and etc) and lack of jobs around that is putting young
people off. An electrician on the other hand requires very little
knowledge
to perform their tasks and there is lot of jobs around.

The money I think is around $200/38hour week for a first year apprentice.

And the money you get when you finish isn't that great either.

As a youngster wanting to get into electronics I'd suggest go for the
electrical trade and try and get into something like PLC work or home
automation where you get to do electronics, good pay and always a
demand for people. Look in the newspapers.

Only problem is getting your foot in the door.

 

[The real Andy]

<David Sauer> wrote in message
news:3fm7ovgl903bmbs63dal8qk5fmgctadf87@4ax.com...

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:42:28 +1000, "The real Andy"
ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

"john" <john@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3f82d6e8@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
I don think it's the money, I think it's the enormous knowledge require
to
perform your tasks (e.g. maths, read datasheet, learn various computer
software packages and etc) and lack of jobs around that is putting
young
people off. An electrician on the other hand requires very little
knowledge
to perform their tasks and there is lot of jobs around.

The money I think is around $200/38hour week for a first year apprentice.

And the money you get when you finish isn't that great either.

As a youngster wanting to get into electronics I'd suggest go for the
electrical trade and try and get into something like PLC work or home
automation where you get to do electronics, good pay and always a
demand for people. Look in the newspapers.

Only problem is getting your foot in the door.

We are paying the same as the electrical trade, in fact, we are paying under
the same award.

 

[Terry Collins]

Adding my 2c out of thread place because my news server is snafu.

: "The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
: news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
: : Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to
be
: : an apprentice these days.
: :
: : One lad rang up looking for work experience for a pre-vocational course,
: was
: : offered an apprenticeship and told to come in and sign the papers but
: never
: : showed. Whats the go with kids these days? When I was offered an
: : apprenticeship many years ago, I jumped at the opportunity and bent over
: : backwards to get the position. Appreticeships are quite rare these days,
: so
: : you would think there would be hundreds of inquiries.

Sorry for repetition, but hear goes my 2c on why young people are not in
interested in electronic/electrical apprenticeships today.

Money; why work for $250 a week as an apprentice, when I can get $500+
per week as a builders labourer. Yep, I hear this regularly (yer, they
are not actually working either lol).

IT/computers: There is more money in being in IT (that belief still has
to change as IT starting wages are not much better than apprenticeship
these days). Yet, schools, colleges and universities are still plowing
more and more people into this already overcrowded area.


Most apprenticeships are bullshit now. In the 70's an apprenticeship
meant learning a real trade and having skills that could earn you a
living for life. Okay, stop rolling on the floor laughing at how naieve
that was in hindsight.

Nowadays you read of apprentice nail technician (to paint finger
nails?), apprentice barista (pour coffee?), etc, etc. What this all
means is shit money whilst you are trained in some nebulous activity,
then you get turfed because you are too expensive. So there is no longer
a positive value carried by the word "apprentice" these days.


IT/computers had also shown that four years of training is far too long,
because in 4 yours, most of your IT training is no longer needed.
Similar cycles are being seen in other industries. So your people just
do not see the need for this long training period.

It is hard to get through an apprenticeship without having to find
another employer. This is a common problem encountered by many
apprentices these days. If you work for a small concern, they are liable
to go bankrupt and you have to find someone else to take you on. If you
work for a large concern, they can be taken over and who sections sold
off/retrenched as non-core business, etc.


Lastly, the whole apprentice training scheme is really middle ages in
attitude. It is heavily restricted to an intake of immature kids
undertaking training of the lowest common denominator at a slow pace.
Very few area have mature age entry opportunites and some a re
completely closed unless you do it one way only.

 

[Andrew Howard]

"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
an apprentice these days.

Well, if anyone is offering an apprenticeship in Electronics in the Sydney
area, I would be happy to check it out.

I'm a 17 year old student who is about to start year 11. I've been doing
electronics as a hobby for about 3-4 years, and am interested in doing it as
a career. I would be willing to leave school to do this if it came to that.

Andrew Howard

 

[David L. Jones]

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:38:16 GMT, "Andrew Howard"
<andtfoot@hotpop.com> wrote:

"The real Andy" <ihatehifitrolls@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f826132$0$4845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Cant get one bite. No interest at all. Been looking but no one wants to be
an apprentice these days.

Well, if anyone is offering an apprenticeship in Electronics in the Sydney
area, I would be happy to check it out.

I'm a 17 year old student who is about to start year 11. I've been doing
electronics as a hobby for about 3-4 years, and am interested in doing it as
a career. I would be willing to leave school to do this if it came to that.

Andrew Howard

Crikey!
A real live young and keen electronics hobbyist with good spelling and
grammar - someone snap him up quick!

Do you know what area of electronics you want to get into Andrew?
Have you thought about doing Tafe or Uni classes part time while you
are still at school?, it will give you an even better head start.

Regards
Dave
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