No sound output on abit IP35 Pro MB with Realtek Audio

  • Thread starter Samuel M. Goldwasser
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On 08 Nov 2009 09:59:16 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser) wrote:

Diagnostics pass but no sound when doing "Test DirectSound".
Ok, that means you have a working sound chip, but no connection
between the chip and the speaker. I can't tell where it's broken from
here. If you can identify the Realtek sound chip, perhaps you can
find the data sheet and identify the sound output pin. Then, use a
scope to see if it's putting out any sound at the chip. If there's
sound at the chip, but not at the output connector, you have a
motherboard with a possible broken trace, blown audio amp (if
present), or broken coupling cazapitor.

Fonebell Sounds like a busy signal through the PC speaker.
Ooops. I forgot that it default to the timer sound output instead of
the sound output. I wrote that in 1985 and my memory is becoming
rather ummm.... dynamic.

And note that there was no PC speaker installed before. So, there is
a BIOS/POST beep now from the speaker as well.
Some motherboard run the PC speaker audio through the sound card.
Apparently, this one does not. So much for that idea.

But nothing from the speaker in Windoze.
I'll keep looking for some DOS based diagnostics with a sound test. It
may have to wait until I drag myself to my palatial office sometime
next week.

You might find something useful under this review:
<http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/477> (9 pages)
This might be a diversion but could be causing the sound to be muted:
Viiv support (i.e. support for Quick Resume technology, which
allows the PC to imitate the behavior of TV sets, where by
pressing the power button located on the remote control the
screen goes dark, the sound is muted and the keyboard and
mouse stop responding)"

Bingo. It's a Realtek ALC888 sound chip. Digging...
<http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=28&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=135>
Data sheet link is at the bottom of the page. Section 6.2 shows front
audio outputs on pins 35 and 36. Dust off the oscilloscope and see if
there's any sound on those pins.


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Adrian C wrote:

Baron wrote:
Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:

IMO There are only a few onboard chipsets that are good in quality
- the rest, including realtek, tend to be rather noisy.
That's my feeling at this point. I'm also not that fussy as long as
it sounds decent. I don't need to shake the foundation. :)


On board sound chip failure is very very common. I wish I had a ÂŁ($)
for every new machine or mainboard I've seen that had to have sound
card added because of it !

Some of it is unnessary circuit complication though which causes
headaches installing the right driver, as there are /two/ of those to
install with either AC'97 or (the later) High Definition schemes in
use.

The first for the motherboard chipset HUB controller (normally Intel,
but AMD and Nvidia as well) and the second for the Codec (Realtek,
Conexant, and Analog Devices). Then ye get the headache of Microsoft
stepping in and wreaking the compatability of everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC'97
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_High_Definition_Audio


I've seen chips fitted rotated 90 out on the mainboard.


Laterally or tombstoned?
Laterally rotated. Instead of having the reference at bottom left it was
at the top left. The pcb was correctly marked.

I've got a cheapie Gigabyte AMD board here I'm scrapping. The board
had so warped on the wave soldering machine, that the DDR sockets only
grab memory modules by the edge contacts and bows away from the
middle.

Complete junk.
Mmm. I've only seen that kind of thing on counterfeit boards. Which as
it happens is where I saw the sound chips rotated.

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Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:
OK, I know this isn't a real PC group but generally the people here are
more knowledgeable. ;-)

I was given a PC with an abit IP35 Pro MB with Realtek Audio which works
in every respect expect there isn't any sound from any output. I'm running
XP with SP3 and, yes, all the volume controls are all the way up, nothing
is muted, and the speakers work fine on the PC sitting right next to it.
I installed the latest audio drivers (though no others since everything
else works) from the abit Web site at:

http://tinyurl.com/9sqrfn
<snipped>

I know that logic dictates using the motherboard maker's website for
drivers, but I have found that a generic driver from the chip maker will
sometimes work when the OEM driver doesn't. It might be worth a try,
anyway: http://snipurl.com/realtek.hi-def. [realtek.com.tw]

Good Luck :)
 
Sofa Slug wrote:
Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:
OK, I know this isn't a real PC group but generally the people here are
more knowledgeable. ;-)

I was given a PC with an abit IP35 Pro MB with Realtek Audio which works
in every respect expect there isn't any sound from any output. I'm
running
XP with SP3 and, yes, all the volume controls are all the way up, nothing
is muted, and the speakers work fine on the PC sitting right next to it.
I installed the latest audio drivers (though no others since everything
else works) from the abit Web site at:

http://tinyurl.com/9sqrfn

snipped

I know that logic dictates using the motherboard maker's website for
drivers, but I have found that a generic driver from the chip maker will
sometimes work when the OEM driver doesn't. It might be worth a try,
anyway: http://snipurl.com/realtek.hi-def. [realtek.com.tw]

Good Luck :)
I see that snipurl is blocking my link for some reason - here is the
direct link: http://www.realtek.com/downloads/
 
Baron <baron.nospam@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> writes:

Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:

IMO There are only a few onboard chipsets that are good in quality -
the rest, including realtek, tend to be rather noisy.

That's my feeling at this point. I'm also not that fussy as long as
it sounds decent. I don't need to shake the foundation. :)


On board sound chip failure is very very common. I wish I had a Ł($)
for every new machine or mainboard I've seen that had to have sound
card added because of it !

I've seen chips fitted rotated 90 out on the mainboard.
OK, failures I can believe. This one supposedly worked at some point,
maybe. :)

Thanks!

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mbegz@noaddress.com writes:

That unrecognized device is the sensor for uGuru. Download uGuru
utility from Abit site and it will give you all the information about
your mobo, i.e. fan, heat, voltage etc. But not sound.
Downloaded uGuru, works fine, still unrecognized device. But that
seems to be on the Radeon X1800? video card.

Before you buy sound card, check your L/Speakers on you TV or any
other device if its has audio output socket such as Head Phone socket.
Speakers run fine on PC next to it.

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Hope this help.

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:49:10 -0500, Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net
wrote:

On 07 Nov 2009 13:17:35 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser)wrote:

OK, I know this isn't a real PC group but generally the people here are
more knowledgeable. ;-)

I was given a PC with an abit IP35 Pro MB with Realtek Audio which works
in every respect expect there isn't any sound from any output. I'm running
XP with SP3 and, yes, all the volume controls are all the way up, nothing
is muted, and the speakers work fine on the PC sitting right next to it.
I installed the latest audio drivers (though no others since everything
else works) from the abit Web site at:

http://tinyurl.com/9sqrfn

The only anomoly is an unrecognized device in Device Manager, but it
isn't under Sound Devices. Of course with Windoze, anything is possible!

Google turns up a number of problems that sound (no pun...) similar.

There is one about XP SP3 causing a problem with the UAA (Universal
Audio Architecture?) but that seems to not recognize the audio hardware
at all. Here, everything is working but nothing coming out.

My fall back position is to buy a $7 sound card on eBay. :)

Any info appreciated!!

Buy PCi sound card.
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:

On 08 Nov 2009 09:59:16 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser) wrote:

Diagnostics pass but no sound when doing "Test DirectSound".

Ok, that means you have a working sound chip, but no connection
between the chip and the speaker. I can't tell where it's broken from
here. If you can identify the Realtek sound chip, perhaps you can
find the data sheet and identify the sound output pin. Then, use a
scope to see if it's putting out any sound at the chip. If there's
sound at the chip, but not at the output connector, you have a
motherboard with a possible broken trace, blown audio amp (if
present), or broken coupling cazapitor.

Fonebell Sounds like a busy signal through the PC speaker.

Ooops. I forgot that it default to the timer sound output instead of
the sound output. I wrote that in 1985 and my memory is becoming
rather ummm.... dynamic.

And note that there was no PC speaker installed before. So, there is
a BIOS/POST beep now from the speaker as well.

Some motherboard run the PC speaker audio through the sound card.
Apparently, this one does not. So much for that idea.

But nothing from the speaker in Windoze.

I'll keep looking for some DOS based diagnostics with a sound test. It
may have to wait until I drag myself to my palatial office sometime
next week.

You might find something useful under this review:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/477> (9 pages)
This might be a diversion but could be causing the sound to be muted:
Viiv support (i.e. support for Quick Resume technology, which
allows the PC to imitate the behavior of TV sets, where by
pressing the power button located on the remote control the
screen goes dark, the sound is muted and the keyboard and
mouse stop responding)"

Bingo. It's a Realtek ALC888 sound chip. Digging...
http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=28&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=135
Data sheet link is at the bottom of the page. Section 6.2 shows front
audio outputs on pins 35 and 36. Dust off the oscilloscope and see if
there's any sound on those pins.
Hmmmm. I'm not sure I'm THAT determined to save $7 on an eBay sound
card. :) Besides, you know what a rats nest it is inside a PC tower
trying to get a scope probe in there! :)

A broken trace is certainly possible, but wouldn't it have to be at least
two broken traces?

Thanks for all your efforts! :)

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Sofa Slug <sofaslug@invalid.invalid> writes:

Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:
OK, I know this isn't a real PC group but generally the people here are
more knowledgeable. ;-)
I was given a PC with an abit IP35 Pro MB with Realtek Audio which
works
in every respect expect there isn't any sound from any output. I'm running
XP with SP3 and, yes, all the volume controls are all the way up, nothing
is muted, and the speakers work fine on the PC sitting right next to it.
I installed the latest audio drivers (though no others since everything
else works) from the abit Web site at:
http://tinyurl.com/9sqrfn

snipped

I know that logic dictates using the motherboard maker's website for
drivers, but I have found that a generic driver from the chip maker
will sometimes work when the OEM driver doesn't. It might be worth a
try, anyway: http://snipurl.com/realtek.hi-def. [realtek.com.tw]
"This snipurl has been deleted or is private"

Good Luck :)
Thanks! :)

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On 08 Nov 2009 20:08:26 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser) wrote:

Hmmmm. I'm not sure I'm THAT determined to save $7 on an eBay sound
card. :)
Sigh. It's probably easier to just cram in a different sound card.
Still, it's worth spending a few minutes with a scope trying to
determine the cause. Your time, you decide.

Besides, you know what a rats nest it is inside a PC tower
trying to get a scope probe in there! :)
Sure. If I'm doing motheboard repair, I need access to the bottom of
the board, which requires running everything outside the box. I have
a plywood fixture for doing that.

A broken trace is certainly possible, but wouldn't it have to be at least
two broken traces?
Good point. However, if there's a common audio power amplifier or a
broken sweat solder job on the output connector, it's possible to
break both at the same time.

Incidentally, did you ever try the sound INPUTS to see if the chip is
alive and well? Plug in a microphone and use the Windoze sound
recorder for testing.

Also, this is kinda dumb and obvious, but might be the problem. The
chip has multiple outputs which can be switched in software. Go unto:
control panel -> sound and audio -> advanced
or just double click the speaker icon in the system tray.
That should display a list of "playback devices". Make sure nothing
is muted, none of the controls are set to zero, and that all the
outputs are correctly enabled (not muted).

Thanks for all your efforts! :)
Glad to be of some help.

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Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:

Baron <baron.nospam@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> writes:

Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:

IMO There are only a few onboard chipsets that are good in quality
- the rest, including realtek, tend to be rather noisy.

That's my feeling at this point. I'm also not that fussy as long
as
it sounds decent. I don't need to shake the foundation. :)


On board sound chip failure is very very common. I wish I had a ÂŁ($)
for every new machine or mainboard I've seen that had to have sound
card added because of it !

I've seen chips fitted rotated 90 out on the mainboard.

OK, failures I can believe. This one supposedly worked at some point,
maybe. :)

Thanks!
No ! the sound never worked. Counterfeit Chinese mainboards. A sound
card was added, plugged into a PCI slot to get around the issue. A
case of scrap them or use them. Minimise the loss !

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Baron.
 
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:

On 08 Nov 2009 20:08:26 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser) wrote:

Hmmmm. I'm not sure I'm THAT determined to save $7 on an eBay sound
card. :)

Sigh. It's probably easier to just cram in a different sound card.
Still, it's worth spending a few minutes with a scope trying to
determine the cause. Your time, you decide.
Well at my normal hourly rate of $0.10, it might be worth it. :)
Besides, you know what a rats nest it is inside a PC tower
trying to get a scope probe in there! :)

Sure. If I'm doing motheboard repair, I need access to the bottom of
the board, which requires running everything outside the box. I have
a plywood fixture for doing that.

A broken trace is certainly possible, but wouldn't it have to be at least
two broken traces?

Good point. However, if there's a common audio power amplifier or a
broken sweat solder job on the output connector, it's possible to
break both at the same time.
True enough.

Incidentally, did you ever try the sound INPUTS to see if the chip is
alive and well? Plug in a microphone and use the Windoze sound
recorder for testing.
I guess I need to do this.

Also, this is kinda dumb and obvious, but might be the problem. The
chip has multiple outputs which can be switched in software. Go unto:
control panel -> sound and audio -> advanced
or just double click the speaker icon in the system tray.
That should display a list of "playback devices". Make sure nothing
is muted, none of the controls are set to zero, and that all the
outputs are correctly enabled (not muted).
The Reaktek control panel recognizes a mic being plugged in but doesn't
enable the associated controls for it???? Sounds recorder doesn't seem
to capture anything.

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On 08 Nov 2009 10:01:32 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser)wrote:

Adrian C <email@here.invalid> writes:

Samuel M. Goldwasser wrote:

Is there an entry for 'Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio'?
Yes, but it seems to predate the latest version.
Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio
3/5/2004
5.10.0.5010

There *may* be a fix regarding something that installing service pack3
did (or didn't do), or it could indeed be something broken on the
chipset.

Even if you boot from a linux boot CD (or install windows 7) and find
the sound working with that, I'd spring for a cheapie $7 soundcard -
it's not worth spending time if other more $$$ things are being
displaced from your interest.

IMO There are only a few onboard chipsets that are good in quality -
the rest, including realtek, tend to be rather noisy.

That's my feeling at this point. I'm also not that fussy as long as
it sounds decent. I don't need to shake the foundation. :)
I have Realtek HD audio on this MSI board with NForce chipset. I think
the audio is perfect and surely wouldn't discredit Realtek, one of the
oldest manufactures of onboard and peripheral electronics including
networking and audio devices.
 
On 09 Nov 2009 09:07:01 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser)wrote:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:

On 08 Nov 2009 20:08:26 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser) wrote:

Hmmmm. I'm not sure I'm THAT determined to save $7 on an eBay sound
card. :)

Sigh. It's probably easier to just cram in a different sound card.
Still, it's worth spending a few minutes with a scope trying to
determine the cause. Your time, you decide.

Well at my normal hourly rate of $0.10, it might be worth it. :)

Besides, you know what a rats nest it is inside a PC tower
trying to get a scope probe in there! :)

Sure. If I'm doing motheboard repair, I need access to the bottom of
the board, which requires running everything outside the box. I have
a plywood fixture for doing that.

A broken trace is certainly possible, but wouldn't it have to be at least
two broken traces?

Good point. However, if there's a common audio power amplifier or a
broken sweat solder job on the output connector, it's possible to
break both at the same time.

True enough.

Incidentally, did you ever try the sound INPUTS to see if the chip is
alive and well? Plug in a microphone and use the Windoze sound
recorder for testing.

I guess I need to do this.

Also, this is kinda dumb and obvious, but might be the problem. The
chip has multiple outputs which can be switched in software. Go unto:
control panel -> sound and audio -> advanced
or just double click the speaker icon in the system tray.
That should display a list of "playback devices". Make sure nothing
is muted, none of the controls are set to zero, and that all the
outputs are correctly enabled (not muted).

The Reaktek control panel recognizes a mic being plugged in but doesn't
enable the associated controls for it???? Sounds recorder doesn't seem
to capture anything.
I have a bin full of working PCI audio cards, would you like one for
free?
 
Meat Plow wrote:
I have Realtek HD audio on this MSI board with NForce chipset. I think
the audio is perfect and surely wouldn't discredit Realtek, one of the
oldest manufactures of onboard and peripheral electronics including
networking and audio devices.
Sure, there may be some shining examples I haven't come across. The fact
that your chipset is HD must mean they took some care on that one ;-)

As much as possible, if I'm using an onboard sound chipset I try and
find an S/PDIF output and use an outboard DAC connected to that. I find
some sources of music that ye get via broadband really benefits from
that. Nice, non-flabby and crisp ;-)

--
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:29:57 +0000, Adrian C
<email@here.invalid>wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:

I have Realtek HD audio on this MSI board with NForce chipset. I think
the audio is perfect and surely wouldn't discredit Realtek, one of the
oldest manufactures of onboard and peripheral electronics including
networking and audio devices.

Sure, there may be some shining examples I haven't come across. The fact
that your chipset is HD must mean they took some care on that one ;-)

As much as possible, if I'm using an onboard sound chipset I try and
find an S/PDIF output and use an outboard DAC connected to that. I find
some sources of music that ye get via broadband really benefits from
that. Nice, non-flabby and crisp ;-)
I also have an M-Audio Delta 44 card in the same PC used for multi
track recording so I can take some work projects home. Comparing the
onboard sound to the Delta I don't hear a difference. I use a Bose
Companion 3 for the onboard sound.
http://www.bose-bali.com/sounddoc/2.htm

And Sennheiser HD280PR headphones from a Mackie Onyx 1220 mixer
for the Delta 4x4 card.

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta44.html

This is what I use at work

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj220/meatplow1/Mackie/CIMG0528.jpg

Along with a Dell 370 DAW dual screens and two Lynx AES16 interface
cards. The Mackie DXB provides word clock for the DAW 44.1khz sync via
its Sane Wave AES/EBU digital circuit hence the DAW is slaved and not
used for anything but editing and the final mixdown.

http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=13

For 32 channels bidirectional.

We've been using Sony Vega Pro but have been having issues
with its MMC transport stability. MMC happens over a pair
of M-Audio 4x4 Midisport modules. An average project of
around 90 minutes occupies over 100 gigs of PCM WAV files on the DAW.

I'm currently evaluating Adobe Audition. The MMC is much more stable
but we have several unfinished projects in Vegas and they cannot be
exported or imported unless we manually do it which would take months
since nothing was properly named (before my assumption of the role as
head audio engineer.)
 
Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> writes:

On 09 Nov 2009 09:07:01 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser)wrote:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:

On 08 Nov 2009 20:08:26 -0500, sam@repairfaq.org (Samuel M.
Goldwasser) wrote:

Hmmmm. I'm not sure I'm THAT determined to save $7 on an eBay sound
card. :)

Sigh. It's probably easier to just cram in a different sound card.
Still, it's worth spending a few minutes with a scope trying to
determine the cause. Your time, you decide.

Well at my normal hourly rate of $0.10, it might be worth it. :)

Besides, you know what a rats nest it is inside a PC tower
trying to get a scope probe in there! :)

Sure. If I'm doing motheboard repair, I need access to the bottom of
the board, which requires running everything outside the box. I have
a plywood fixture for doing that.

A broken trace is certainly possible, but wouldn't it have to be at least
two broken traces?

Good point. However, if there's a common audio power amplifier or a
broken sweat solder job on the output connector, it's possible to
break both at the same time.

True enough.

Incidentally, did you ever try the sound INPUTS to see if the chip is
alive and well? Plug in a microphone and use the Windoze sound
recorder for testing.

I guess I need to do this.

Also, this is kinda dumb and obvious, but might be the problem. The
chip has multiple outputs which can be switched in software. Go unto:
control panel -> sound and audio -> advanced
or just double click the speaker icon in the system tray.
That should display a list of "playback devices". Make sure nothing
is muted, none of the controls are set to zero, and that all the
outputs are correctly enabled (not muted).

The Reaktek control panel recognizes a mic being plugged in but doesn't
enable the associated controls for it???? Sounds recorder doesn't seem
to capture anything.

I have a bin full of working PCI audio cards, would you like one for
free?
Too late. I bought a card on eBay. Probably a POS but only $6.41 with
shipping. Creative Sound Blaster Live CT4780. But if you have one that's
better, I'll take you up on your offer. :)

Thanks!

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Meat Plow wrote:
(before my assumption of the role as head audio engineer.)

Installing speakers in bathrooms on US Navy ships? ;-)


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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:36:09 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net>wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:

(before my assumption of the role as head audio engineer.)


Installing speakers in bathrooms on US Navy ships? ;-)
har har har
 

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