D
Dori
Guest
GregS wrote:
Not really. Google even screwed that up like the screwed up everything else.
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WangoTango
Guest
In article <h62t8f$rug$1@aioe.org>, nokids@nokids.net says...
no more spammed groups. It means that I don't get to see legitimate
posts from GG, but that is a small price to pay for not have to dig
through the crap. Besides, a REAL newsgroup reader is either free, or
very cheap, why go through that crappy interface to begin with. You can
search the archives without posting from there.
most (90+%) of the USENET spam. I filter ALL traffic from them and BAM
no more spammed groups. It means that I don't get to see legitimate
posts from GG, but that is a small price to pay for not have to dig
through the crap. Besides, a REAL newsgroup reader is either free, or
very cheap, why go through that crappy interface to begin with. You can
search the archives without posting from there.
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Richard Crowley
Guest
"WangoTango" wrote ...
In my last several attempts, the archive and/or archive search
has been broken and completely unusable.
Google started out as the hero for taking over the DejaNews
Usenet archives. But they have managed to run it completely
into the ground and they are now the #1 villan of Usenet. :-((
At least when the archive/search functionality is working.
In my last several attempts, the archive and/or archive search
has been broken and completely unusable.
Google started out as the hero for taking over the DejaNews
Usenet archives. But they have managed to run it completely
into the ground and they are now the #1 villan of Usenet. :-((
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WangoTango
Guest
In article <7elhubF2gd9ubU1@mid.individual.net>, rcrowley@xp7rt.net
says...
drop the USENET service all together. They may still archive posts, but
I'm sure the constant stream of spamming complaints will eventually take
it toll.
I still have a couple of GG alerts set up, they seem to do well, but how
would I know if they were broken?
says...
I agree, the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't
drop the USENET service all together. They may still archive posts, but
I'm sure the constant stream of spamming complaints will eventually take
it toll.
I still have a couple of GG alerts set up, they seem to do well, but how
would I know if they were broken?
B
Bob Larter
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WangoTango wrote:
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. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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Google just ignore complaints.
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. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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WangoTango
Guest
In article <h6acch$s2s$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
bobbylarter@gmail.com says...
will get old too. Just the energy needed to wade through and delete the
complaints will eventually take a toll and I doubt Google will hang in
there for the long haul.
bobbylarter@gmail.com says...
Oh, no doubt, but someone has to do the ignoring and eventually that
will get old too. Just the energy needed to wade through and delete the
complaints will eventually take a toll and I doubt Google will hang in
there for the long haul.
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Richard Crowley
Guest
WangoTango wrote:
in the information universe. They were able to spend 100s of
millions of $$$ to get several other business centers up and
running (and household names) before ever turning a profit.
They could easily kill off Usenet either by intent or simply by
benign neglect of their negative influence on it.
But Google has deep pockets and long-term views of their place
in the information universe. They were able to spend 100s of
millions of $$$ to get several other business centers up and
running (and household names) before ever turning a profit.
They could easily kill off Usenet either by intent or simply by
benign neglect of their negative influence on it.
G
GregS
Guest
In article <2b2cd0b8-0f0b-468d-b842-5d6600bfc9f2@w6g2000yqw.googlegroups.com>, JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> wrote:
I'll bet if Google starts seeing anti Google web pages, something
will happen. They are out there !!
It took a while before people started using Google. I started telling people about
the search engine in 1999 saying it was the best when Hotbot was #1
and I liked Infoseek for searching companies.
These web pages can be embarassing looking at the Wayback machine.
Oh here is the first Google in 1998....
http://web.archive.org/web/19981111184551/http://google.com/
greg
I'll bet if Google starts seeing anti Google web pages, something
will happen. They are out there !!
It took a while before people started using Google. I started telling people about
the search engine in 1999 saying it was the best when Hotbot was #1
and I liked Infoseek for searching companies.
These web pages can be embarassing looking at the Wayback machine.
Oh here is the first Google in 1998....
http://web.archive.org/web/19981111184551/http://google.com/
greg
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JeffM
Guest
WangoTango wrote:
The current complaint system is completely automated
and has been unchanged FOR YEARS.
Your complaints to Google have NO useful effect.[1]
As soon as the automated system cancels an account,
the spammer will start using a new account.
If he doesn't have a bunch of accounts already,
he can use THE SAME EMAIL ADDRESS HE'S BEEN USING
to open a new Google account.
GOOGLE DOESN'T CARE.
..
..
[1] In fact, they are **detrimental**
because when the spammer starts using a new identity
it just adds an addition burden to those filtering on usernames.
Again: Google invest ZERO effort in this.
The current complaint system is completely automated
and has been unchanged FOR YEARS.
Your complaints to Google have NO useful effect.[1]
As soon as the automated system cancels an account,
the spammer will start using a new account.
If he doesn't have a bunch of accounts already,
he can use THE SAME EMAIL ADDRESS HE'S BEEN USING
to open a new Google account.
GOOGLE DOESN'T CARE.
..
..
[1] In fact, they are **detrimental**
because when the spammer starts using a new identity
it just adds an addition burden to those filtering on usernames.
M
msg
Guest
GregS wrote:
<snip> and rec.audio.tech removed from replies.
took there engine private (pay) about the time that google gained in popularity.
Michael
<snip> and rec.audio.tech removed from replies.
I liked northernlights.com when altavista declined in usefulness; then northernlights
took there engine private (pay) about the time that google gained in popularity.
Michael
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Rich Webb
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:28:05 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jeffm_@email.com>
wrote:
a specific Perl module such as CAD:
rawing without being presented with
umpteen hundred-thousand references to "cad drawing" as well. AFAIK,
only a very limited set of punctuation is preserved in Google's searches
and there is *no* way to escape or quote the text that preserves the
colons as part of the search. #%$#$%#!
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
wrote:
But it sure would be nice to be able to, e.g., search for discussion on
a specific Perl module such as CAD:
rawing without being presented withumpteen hundred-thousand references to "cad drawing" as well. AFAIK,
only a very limited set of punctuation is preserved in Google's searches
and there is *no* way to escape or quote the text that preserves the
colons as part of the search. #%$#$%#!
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
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JeffM
Guest
rec.audio.tech re-added to TO line.
msg wrote:
(wildcards; Boolean OR, NOT; intitle; inurl; filetype; etc.).
Gmail proves that if you get the right someone
in charge of a Google project, then the spam issue
(WRT the users of that service) becomes moot.
The problem with Google Groups
is that the guy in charge has always been clueless.
(The users who consume/read the service get even more abuse
than those using real newsreaders.)
I get the feeling GG is where Google sends their retards/rejects.
msg wrote:
No one has every had the powerful syntax Google Web Search has
(wildcards; Boolean OR, NOT; intitle; inurl; filetype; etc.).
Gmail proves that if you get the right someone
in charge of a Google project, then the spam issue
(WRT the users of that service) becomes moot.
The problem with Google Groups
is that the guy in charge has always been clueless.
(The users who consume/read the service get even more abuse
than those using real newsreaders.)
I get the feeling GG is where Google sends their retards/rejects.
J
JeffM
Guest
Yeah. I always like when someone saysJeffM wrote:
No one has [ever] had the powerful syntax Google Web Search has
(wildcards; Boolean OR, NOT; intitle; inurl; filetype; etc.).
Rich Webb wrote:
But it sure would be nice to be able to, e.g., search for discussion
on a specific Perl module such as CAD:
presented with umpteen hundred-thousand references to
"cad drawing" as well. AFAIK, only a very limited set of punctuation
is preserved in Google's searches and there is *no* way
to escape or quote the text that preserves the colons
as part of the search. #%$#$%#!
that Google has the best and brightest.
There are so many examples where you'd think
the class whiz should be able to figure this one out.
::The problem with Google Groups
::is that the guy in charge has always been clueless.
:
The users who consume/read the service get even more abuse::than those using real newsreaders.)
::I get the feeling GG is where Google sends their retards/rejects.
::
You'd also think Google Groups would have figured out
a Hamster/nFilter mechanism for their own users.
B
b
Guest
On 11 ago, 12:01, "Mark Zacharias" <mark_zachar...@sbclobal.net>
wrote:
and assorted chinese tat it reduces your interest. there are however
peaks and troughs, its not all bad all the time.
-B
wrote:
I sympathise, once the group is bombarded with ads for handbags, porn
and assorted chinese tat it reduces your interest. there are however
peaks and troughs, its not all bad all the time.
-B
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Wild_Bill
Guest
I don't have any recommendations for online forums or other groups.
I recently began revisiting SER because another newsgroup I'd been reading
is actually experiencing a slow miserable death, with the cooperation and
participation of the formerly-consciencious members.
Spam doesn't mark the ruination of a newsgroup, since spam can be easily
deleted, ignored and/or filtered with a proper news reader.
When the majority of the posts drift off topic into something as stupid as
misguided opinions about political figures, the newsgroup really does go
into a death spiral.
I immediately noticed that many of the SER participants of about 10 years
ago were no longer posting in SER.
The repair industry isn't what it used to be, that's for sure. Many
servicers began looking for other technical occupational positions years
ago, when the huge influx of cheap throw-away goods began to flood most
markets.
Usenet newsgroups typically have a fairly high turnover of temporary users
(and many lurkers that rarely, or never post messages), but the loss of the
helpful, experienced base members, and the shortage of knowlegable new
replacement members, really has had a serious impact on SER.
There appear to be a lot of online forums, which many may favor, since they
are generally moderated. Moderation eliminates spam and off topic
zealots/hotheads that are content to just abuse any forum for their own
agenda.
I've participated in a couple of online forums, but they do have some
limitations, such as searching archived articles/posts.
Also, some online forums are primarily marketing enterprises, with
advertising and other annoying features.
--
Cheers,
WB
..............
"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbclobal.net> wrote in message
news:002d484d$0$699$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
I recently began revisiting SER because another newsgroup I'd been reading
is actually experiencing a slow miserable death, with the cooperation and
participation of the formerly-consciencious members.
Spam doesn't mark the ruination of a newsgroup, since spam can be easily
deleted, ignored and/or filtered with a proper news reader.
When the majority of the posts drift off topic into something as stupid as
misguided opinions about political figures, the newsgroup really does go
into a death spiral.
I immediately noticed that many of the SER participants of about 10 years
ago were no longer posting in SER.
The repair industry isn't what it used to be, that's for sure. Many
servicers began looking for other technical occupational positions years
ago, when the huge influx of cheap throw-away goods began to flood most
markets.
Usenet newsgroups typically have a fairly high turnover of temporary users
(and many lurkers that rarely, or never post messages), but the loss of the
helpful, experienced base members, and the shortage of knowlegable new
replacement members, really has had a serious impact on SER.
There appear to be a lot of online forums, which many may favor, since they
are generally moderated. Moderation eliminates spam and off topic
zealots/hotheads that are content to just abuse any forum for their own
agenda.
I've participated in a couple of online forums, but they do have some
limitations, such as searching archived articles/posts.
Also, some online forums are primarily marketing enterprises, with
advertising and other annoying features.
--
Cheers,
WB
..............
"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias@sbclobal.net> wrote in message
news:002d484d$0$699$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
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Michael A. Terrell
Guest
JeffM wrote:
They could do a lot to eliminate spam by limiting the number of
messages that can be posted from a single IP address in a 24 hour
period.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
JeffM wrote:
No one has [ever] had the powerful syntax Google Web Search has
(wildcards; Boolean OR, NOT; intitle; inurl; filetype; etc.).
Rich Webb wrote:
But it sure would be nice to be able to, e.g., search for discussion
on a specific Perl module such as CAD:
presented with umpteen hundred-thousand references to
"cad drawing" as well. AFAIK, only a very limited set of punctuation
is preserved in Google's searches and there is *no* way
to escape or quote the text that preserves the colons
as part of the search. #%$#$%#!
Yeah. I always like when someone says
that Google has the best and brightest.
There are so many examples where you'd think
the class whiz should be able to figure this one out.
::The problem with Google Groups
::is that the guy in charge has always been clueless.
:
::than those using real newsreaders.)
::I get the feeling GG is where Google sends their retards/rejects.
::
You'd also think Google Groups would have figured out
a Hamster/nFilter mechanism for their own users.
They could do a lot to eliminate spam by limiting the number of
messages that can be posted from a single IP address in a 24 hour
period.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
A
Arfa Daily
Guest
"Wild_Bill" <wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7gHim.553519$6p1.464157@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
regular posters. I've been on here for quite a lot of years - maybe not
quite 10, but probably not far off - and most of the experienced posters
that were on here when I first jumped in, are still around now. For sure
some come and go, and there is always a 'quiet' time in the summer, but for
the most part, the pool of expertise is still here. And as to the repair
trade having changed, yes, it has somewhat, but only in as much as the
challenges have changed, and many of the old valve (tube) swappers and
polishers, have fallen by the wayside. There is still plenty of stuff in the
market to be repaired, despite the Chinese throw aways. It's just that there
are now fewer high street places left to do the work. Everyone said the
trade was dead when high reliability Japanese kit first started flooding the
market, but those of us who rolled with it, and took the time and trouble to
get to grips with their innovative designs, are still here, and still doing
the job, and still advising both the amateurs, and professionals of
different electrical and electronic disciplines, who come on S.E.R. to ask
for that help.
As you say, the spam is easily filtered - but only if you know how. A lot of
advice has been given on here as to how to do this, but for anyone who is
just a 'casual' computer user, I could imagine that it might be a bit
daunting to set up, especially where a separate program is being suggested
to do the job.
Although I use Xnews for some of my usenet stuff, I admit that I just use
the newsreader built into OE for text groups like this, and operate via the
news server provided by my ISP. I know many believe anything put out by MS
to be the devil's work, and especially their OE newsreader, but it is
perfectly adequate for reading and posting on groups such as S.E.R., and
above all, it is *very* simple to set up and maintain filters, using its
inbuilt functionality.
Arfa
news:7gHim.553519$6p1.464157@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
I'm not at all sure that I agree with you that S.E.R. has lost a lot of
regular posters. I've been on here for quite a lot of years - maybe not
quite 10, but probably not far off - and most of the experienced posters
that were on here when I first jumped in, are still around now. For sure
some come and go, and there is always a 'quiet' time in the summer, but for
the most part, the pool of expertise is still here. And as to the repair
trade having changed, yes, it has somewhat, but only in as much as the
challenges have changed, and many of the old valve (tube) swappers and
polishers, have fallen by the wayside. There is still plenty of stuff in the
market to be repaired, despite the Chinese throw aways. It's just that there
are now fewer high street places left to do the work. Everyone said the
trade was dead when high reliability Japanese kit first started flooding the
market, but those of us who rolled with it, and took the time and trouble to
get to grips with their innovative designs, are still here, and still doing
the job, and still advising both the amateurs, and professionals of
different electrical and electronic disciplines, who come on S.E.R. to ask
for that help.
As you say, the spam is easily filtered - but only if you know how. A lot of
advice has been given on here as to how to do this, but for anyone who is
just a 'casual' computer user, I could imagine that it might be a bit
daunting to set up, especially where a separate program is being suggested
to do the job.
Although I use Xnews for some of my usenet stuff, I admit that I just use
the newsreader built into OE for text groups like this, and operate via the
news server provided by my ISP. I know many believe anything put out by MS
to be the devil's work, and especially their OE newsreader, but it is
perfectly adequate for reading and posting on groups such as S.E.R., and
above all, it is *very* simple to set up and maintain filters, using its
inbuilt functionality.
Arfa
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Richard Crowley
Guest
"Arfa Daily" wrote ...
applications, I concluded that Outlook Express is still the most user-
friendly and straightforward of them all. Hope I will still be able to
run it on Win7. (Bypassing the whole "Vista" quagmire completely.)
Hear, Hear. After trying 8-10 of the most popular newsreader client
applications, I concluded that Outlook Express is still the most user-
friendly and straightforward of them all. Hope I will still be able to
run it on Win7. (Bypassing the whole "Vista" quagmire completely.)
A
Arfa Daily
Guest
"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley@xp7rt.net> wrote in message
news:7f13maF2htd7kU1@mid.individual.net...
particular point !
I guess we'll both get pilloried now for being philistines ...
Arfa
news:7f13maF2htd7kU1@mid.individual.net...
My God !! That's the first time anyone's ever agreed with me on that
particular point !
I guess we'll both get pilloried now for being philistines ...
Arfa
M
Mark Zacharias
Guest
"Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:0jOim.231055$l73.221414@newsfe11.ams2...
I have used OE and now Windows Mail for a number of years and generally like
them, but I still have trouble figuring how to filter spam effectively using
these programs. I don't think they can block by domain - at least I haven't
found that in the options. I've tried deleting by keyword and that doesn't
seem to help either.
Mark Z.
news:0jOim.231055$l73.221414@newsfe11.ams2...
"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley@xp7rt.net> wrote in message
news:7f13maF2htd7kU1@mid.individual.net...
"Arfa Daily" wrote ...
Although I use Xnews for some of my usenet stuff, I admit that I just
use the newsreader built into OE for text groups like this, and operate
via the news server provided by my ISP. I know many believe anything put
out by MS to be the devil's work, and especially their OE newsreader,
but it is perfectly adequate for reading and posting on groups such as
S.E.R., and above all, it is *very* simple to set up and maintain
filters, using its inbuilt functionality.
Hear, Hear. After trying 8-10 of the most popular newsreader client
applications, I concluded that Outlook Express is still the most user-
friendly and straightforward of them all. Hope I will still be able to
run it on Win7. (Bypassing the whole "Vista" quagmire completely.)
My God !! That's the first time anyone's ever agreed with me on that
particular point !
I guess we'll both get pilloried now for being philistines ...
Arfa
I have used OE and now Windows Mail for a number of years and generally like
them, but I still have trouble figuring how to filter spam effectively using
these programs. I don't think they can block by domain - at least I haven't
found that in the options. I've tried deleting by keyword and that doesn't
seem to help either.
Mark Z.