New study definitively confirms gulf stream weakening...

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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:11:45?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:44:27 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:21:19?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It doesn\'t seem to me that 1.5c or even 3c warming would be a big
deal. Earth might be better off, actually. But the next ice age will
be terrible.

Warming is already a big deal. Plants and pollinators need to evolve in order to survive in
a different environment, and... all our food crops might go the way of the American
Chestnut and go extinct for a century or two. Can we in our billions feed on
wild rice and mealworms if we need to?
Food production is radically up in the last decades, and still sloping
up hard.

Not cattle in Texas; net cattle population has dropped since about 1975.

That\'s horrifying. We are all doomed to live on tofu.

(As I type this, I\'m finishing a superb burger from, of all places, a
Portugese restaurant. Burger and excellent fries were just $12 at
Happy Hour.)

The \'food production\' has to match population growth, or the market corrects.
Raw production numbers reflect population, not technology or absolute
capacity.

Google for yield per acre for various crops over the last 100 years.
It\'s amazing.

Once 80% of the population farmed and often starved. Now it\'s a few
per cent and there\'s lots of food.

Therev would be plenty of food for everyone except for stupid
politics.

That\'s stupid, and political. Agriculture is mainly nature, just tweaked a bit
by technology. Texas can\'t support more cattle, so population rises and
beef production doesn\'t. The market and/or technology fix, is... eat more beans.

Wars and collectivism have historically been bad for food production.

\"just tweaked a bit by technology\" is hilarious.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 5:19:46 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:11:45?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:44:27 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:21:19?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It doesn\'t seem to me that 1.5c or even 3c warming would be a big
deal. Earth might be better off, actually. But the next ice age will
be terrible.

Warming is already a big deal. Plants and pollinators need to evolve in order to survive in
a different environment, and... all our food crops might go the way of the American
Chestnut and go extinct for a century or two. Can we in our billions feed on
wild rice and mealworms if we need to?
Food production is radically up in the last decades, and still sloping
up hard.

Not cattle in Texas; net cattle population has dropped since about 1975.

That\'s horrifying. We are all doomed to live on tofu.

(As I type this, I\'m finishing a superb burger from, of all places, a Portugese restaurant. Burger and excellent fries were just $12 at Happy Hour..)

The \'food production\' has to match population growth, or the market corrects.
Raw production numbers reflect population, not technology or absolute capacity.

Google for yield per acre for various crops over the last 100 years. It\'s amazing. \\

Google for fertiliser use per acre over the same period

file:///C:/Users/Bill/Downloads/ag-fertilizer.pdf

only goes back to 1960. John Larkin will probably be amazed. He doesn\'t seem to know much.

> Once 80% of the population farmed and often starved. Now it\'s a few per cent and there\'s lots of food.

That stated with Turnip Townshend and the British agricultural revolution a few hunderd years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Townshend,_2nd_Viscount_Townshend

and has progressed through the mechanisation of agriculture. It has taken a lot of work.

There would be plenty of food for everyone except for stupid politics.

That\'s stupid, and political. Agriculture is mainly nature, just tweaked a bit by technology. Texas can\'t support more cattle, so population rises and beef production doesn\'t. The market and/or technology fix, is... eat more beans.

Wars and collectivism have historically been bad for food production.

Wars are always bad. Soviet collectivisation never worked well - authoritarian socialism does concentrate power into inexpert hands. The kibbutz system in Israel works rather better, if not all that perfectly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

> \"just tweaked a bit by technology\" is hilarious.

Far from it. The Australian Commonwealth Scientific and Research Organisation has a duty to transfer scientific advances into the agricultural sector, and had a problem getting through to farmers who are mostly pretty conservative. The answer turned out to be to concentrate on the occasional less conservative farmer. When they started making more money than their more conservative neighbours, the conservative neighbours were happy to copy what they did, getting the CSIRO advice at second hand.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:19:46 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:11:45?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:44:27 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:21:19?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It doesn\'t seem to me that 1.5c or even 3c warming would be a big
deal. Earth might be better off, actually. But the next ice age will
be terrible.

Warming is already a big deal. Plants and pollinators need to evolve in order to survive in
a different environment, and... all our food crops might go the way of the American
Chestnut and go extinct for a century or two. Can we in our billions feed on
wild rice and mealworms if we need to?
Food production is radically up in the last decades, and still sloping
up hard.

Not cattle in Texas; net cattle population has dropped since about 1975.
That\'s horrifying. We are all doomed to live on tofu.

(As I type this, I\'m finishing a superb burger from, of all places, a
Portugese restaurant. Burger and excellent fries were just $12 at
Happy Hour.)

The \'food production\' has to match population growth, or the market corrects.
Raw production numbers reflect population, not technology or absolute
capacity.

Google for yield per acre for various crops over the last 100 years.
It\'s amazing.

Yeah; potatoes, for example, in the US yields have gone up about 2% per year during that
period, measured in hundredweight/acre

<https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/results/7573B5F6-DD10-30B1-8552-F0804AA1F841>

That doesn\'t mean we have the same varieties (same nutrition and flavor) as the older
cultivars, though. Tuning for mass of product isn\'t the same as improving the
product.

So, do the effects of progressive warming have a 2% per year projection? The 2010 loss
of wheat crop to unprecedented heat was 5% of world harvest.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 02:14:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:19:46?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:11:45?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:44:27 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:21:19?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It doesn\'t seem to me that 1.5c or even 3c warming would be a big
deal. Earth might be better off, actually. But the next ice age will
be terrible.

Warming is already a big deal. Plants and pollinators need to evolve in order to survive in
a different environment, and... all our food crops might go the way of the American
Chestnut and go extinct for a century or two. Can we in our billions feed on
wild rice and mealworms if we need to?
Food production is radically up in the last decades, and still sloping
up hard.

Not cattle in Texas; net cattle population has dropped since about 1975.
That\'s horrifying. We are all doomed to live on tofu.

(As I type this, I\'m finishing a superb burger from, of all places, a
Portugese restaurant. Burger and excellent fries were just $12 at
Happy Hour.)

The \'food production\' has to match population growth, or the market corrects.
Raw production numbers reflect population, not technology or absolute
capacity.

Google for yield per acre for various crops over the last 100 years.
It\'s amazing.

Yeah; potatoes, for example, in the US yields have gone up about 2% per year during that
period, measured in hundredweight/acre

https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/results/7573B5F6-DD10-30B1-8552-F0804AA1F841

That doesn\'t mean we have the same varieties (same nutrition and flavor) as the older
cultivars, though. Tuning for mass of product isn\'t the same as improving the
product.

Potatoes are so much better than they used to be. Yukon Golds and
their variants are fabulous. I boil them fo an hour and mash, skin and
all, with butter and salt. Leftovers make great panko-crusted potato
pancakes, with some cheeze and onions and taragon.

Potatoes are nutritionally wonderful and breeding has made them
better.

So, do the effects of progressive warming have a 2% per year projection? The 2010 loss
of wheat crop to unprecedented heat was 5% of world harvest.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 9:42:12 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 02:14:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:19:46?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:11:45?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:44:27 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:21:19?PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

It doesn\'t seem to me that 1.5c or even 3c warming would be a big
deal. Earth might be better off, actually. But the next ice age will
be terrible.

Warming is already a big deal. Plants and pollinators need to evolve in order to survive in
a different environment, and... all our food crops might go the way of the American
Chestnut and go extinct for a century or two. Can we in our billions feed on
wild rice and mealworms if we need to?
Food production is radically up in the last decades, and still sloping
up hard.

Not cattle in Texas; net cattle population has dropped since about 1975.
That\'s horrifying. We are all doomed to live on tofu.

(As I type this, I\'m finishing a superb burger from, of all places, a
Portugese restaurant. Burger and excellent fries were just $12 at
Happy Hour.)

The \'food production\' has to match population growth, or the market corrects.
Raw production numbers reflect population, not technology or absolute
capacity.

Google for yield per acre for various crops over the last 100 years.
It\'s amazing.

Yeah; potatoes, for example, in the US yields have gone up about 2% per year during that
period, measured in hundredweight/acre

https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/results/7573B5F6-DD10-30B1-8552-F0804AA1F841

That doesn\'t mean we have the same varieties (same nutrition and flavor) as the older
cultivars, though. Tuning for mass of product isn\'t the same as improving the
product.

Potatoes are so much better than they used to be.

He may mean more addictive.

> Yukon Golds and their variants are fabulous. I boil them for an hour and mash, skin and all, with butter and salt. Leftovers make great panko-crusted potato pancakes, with some cheese and onions and taragon.

Starch - almost pure starch. A long chain sugar that our digestive system can eventually break down into digestible sugars. You do get a bit of protein with it - enough to keep you alive - but you have to elsewhere for your fats (as in the added butter above). Soen fo the starch is resistant starch which makes it down though the stomach and small intestine, and to reach the large intestine as digestible fibre.

> Potatoes are nutritionally wonderful and breeding has made them better.

Ask anybody of Irish extraction. They don\'t emphasise that their ancestors were starved out of Ireland by the potato famine.

> >So, do the effects of progressive warming have a 2% per year projection? The 2010 loss of wheat crop to unprecedented heat was 5% of world harvest.

Don\'t ask John Larkin. The climate change denial propaganda he relies on for his information on the subject skips this point.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:42:12 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Potatoes are so much better than they used to be. Yukon Golds and
their variants are fabulous. I boil them fo an hour and mash, skin and
all, with butter and salt. Leftovers make great panko-crusted potato
pancakes, with some cheeze and onions and taragon.

No, russets make better mashed spuds, because you can wash/
pare off the skins, and while the boil progresses, those skins
can get oiled and roasted... very tasty appetizer, with a little
salt.

Red potatoes, and yukon gold are suitable for
whole-thing-boil and mash. They\'re wrong, though, for
my deep fryer; too sweet, I suppose, they turn dark instead
of brown and crisp.

My favorite sweet potatoes (Hayman\'s, yellow-flesh) are
getting hard to find, and pricey.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:54:09 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:42:12 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Potatoes are so much better than they used to be. Yukon Golds and
their variants are fabulous. I boil them fo an hour and mash, skin and
all, with butter and salt. Leftovers make great panko-crusted potato
pancakes, with some cheeze and onions and taragon.
No, russets make better mashed spuds, because you can wash/
pare off the skins, and while the boil progresses, those skins
can get oiled and roasted... very tasty appetizer, with a little
salt.

Red potatoes, and yukon gold are suitable for
whole-thing-boil and mash. They\'re wrong, though, for
my deep fryer; too sweet, I suppose, they turn dark instead
of brown and crisp.

My favorite sweet potatoes (Hayman\'s, yellow-flesh) are
getting hard to find, and pricey.

https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/carbs-potatoes-blood-sugar

 

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[John Larkin]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:17:55 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:54:09?PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:42:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Potatoes are so much better than they used to be. Yukon Golds and
their variants are fabulous. I boil them fo an hour and mash, skin and
all, with butter and salt. Leftovers make great panko-crusted potato
pancakes, with some cheeze and onions and taragon.
No, russets make better mashed spuds, because you can wash/
pare off the skins, and while the boil progresses, those skins
can get oiled and roasted... very tasty appetizer, with a little
salt.

Red potatoes, and yukon gold are suitable for
whole-thing-boil and mash. They\'re wrong, though, for
my deep fryer; too sweet, I suppose, they turn dark instead
of brown and crisp.

My favorite sweet potatoes (Hayman\'s, yellow-flesh) are
getting hard to find, and pricey.

https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/carbs-potatoes-blood-sugar

Always look at the dark side of everything, Fred.

That\'s really weird.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:29:07 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:17:55 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:54:09?PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:42:12?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

Potatoes are so much better than they used to be. Yukon Golds and
their variants are fabulous. I boil them fo an hour and mash, skin and
all, with butter and salt. Leftovers make great panko-crusted potato
pancakes, with some cheeze and onions and taragon.
No, russets make better mashed spuds, because you can wash/
pare off the skins, and while the boil progresses, those skins
can get oiled and roasted... very tasty appetizer, with a little
salt.

Red potatoes, and yukon gold are suitable for
whole-thing-boil and mash. They\'re wrong, though, for
my deep fryer; too sweet, I suppose, they turn dark instead
of brown and crisp.

My favorite sweet potatoes (Hayman\'s, yellow-flesh) are
getting hard to find, and pricey.

https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/carbs-potatoes-blood-sugar

Always look at the dark side of everything, Fred.

That\'s really weird.

John Larkin hasn\'t noticed that type 2 diabetes - a side effect of obesity - is endemic in the USA.

The incidence there at 8911 per 100,000, s actually lower than in Germany - 9091and the Netherlands - 11,344 - but type 2 diabetes is also a a disease of old age, and the US expectancy of life is relatively poor.

Of course Australians, who live longer than the Dutch or the Germans, let alone Americans, have an even lower rate of 5235 per 100,000. Diet may well come into it.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney