New high-temperature super-conductor

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 01:49:17 -0400) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <AjjPE.27$Gh2.14@fx28.iad>:

On 6/22/19 1:26 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:17:33 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

One idea was a miles-in-diameter superconducting coil to store energy.



One of those megaprojects where I would say the chances between it and a
transatlantic maglev train from New York to London via Greenland, which
will come first, about 50/50. I'm hoping for the train

It wasn't too long ago Larkin was singing his praises of brainstorming and how valuable the people who will propose extreme
ideas were. When he hears about someone else running a new idea up a flagpole to see who salutes he has to ridicule it.

It didn't sound like ridicule, exactly. It's a pretty old idea I think.
Only really feasible with "room temperature" superconductors given the
size the thing would have to be to store appreciable energy to make it
worth the time, but all sorts of wild stuff would be possible with a
ductile, machinable room-temperature superconducting material it'd be
one of the greatest discoveries in engineering/materials science
history, surely.

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

I would expect, even the parts on land would be in a vacuum tunnel of
some kind. To be competitive with air travel times.

The economic advantage would be the enormous number of people a single
train could haul, four trains or so each way per day hauling several
thousand people each would cover pretty much the entire current
transatlantic NYC - London air travel demand

Not just for the sake of arguing, but also from a logic viewpoint,
I think the idea of such a train is bad,
Elon Musk has ideas about high speed trains in tunnels,
maglev or not, a vacuum tunnel or better a tunnel kept vacuum
over such a distance is a ridiculous idea, and you would
need escape places along it in case of the extremely likely emergency
as chances are that it will be hit by some nature based event as flooding, earthquakes, or man made events,
are about 100%.
Planes are simple, supersonic planes (Concorde) have been demonstrated to work,
much cheaper, less maintenance, safer,
Some A380 like plane could carry many people, and if you are not in a hurry take a boat,
Planes will only get better.

I did read an article on science.daily about a new high temperature super conductor
and concluded that that is nowhere near usable.

Do we yet know how exactly super conductors work? electron paring I'v read?

There is a 100% better 'something' invented every so often,
starting with the 100% better battery technology every few weeks.
Much hype that looks for a reach-out for funding.

When in the shops, I will look again.
I have a small YBCO super conductor disk, and can cool it to 70 Kelvin, fun.
Storing energy in it? Never thought about it...
But the setup to cool it is enormous compared to that disk size.

The setup to suck vacuum in a thousands of miles long tunnel is prohibitive.

Planes any time.

 

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:07:06 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
<mlist4@infohit.me.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 22:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Rick C wrote:

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

There was a plan to put it in a submerged but near the surface tunnel
across the atlantic and pump the atmosphere out. Expected speed was
18,000 miles per hour but it would take the whole of the planets
production of steel for a year to accomplish. This was well before
Musks hyperloop idea.

That speed is about 8 km/s i.e. the orbital speed of a satellite.

Since the tube would follow the curvature of the Earth, the passengers
would be weightless after achieving that speed but before slowing
down,

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 11:20:42 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 2:16:05 AM UTC-4, Rodney Pont wrote:
[about maglev train tunnel]

There was a plan to put it in a submerged but near the surface tunnel
across the atlantic and pump the atmosphere out. Expected speed was
18,000 miles per hour

I wonder how you would keep it from floating?

There's a new Iranian technology for that, involving limpet mines...

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Sylvia Else wrote:

On 21/06/2019 10:18 pm, Bill Sloman wrote:
This week's Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences
reports a new high temperature super-conductor, with a critical
temperature up at 73K (which is still well below room temperature but
above the 66K which was the previous peak).

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/25/12156.abstract?etoc

I can get access to the full paper if anybody is interested.

Nobody is talking about making cables out of the stuff yet, or even
speculating if it could be made into a conducting lead.


I don't accept the hype about using superconductors for power
transmission anyway. It's not as if the existing transmission
infrastructure wastes that much, and the infrastructure required to
keep cables cool would be hugely expensive.

Seems to be a solution looking for a problem and one that would be
killed by economics.

Well the LASER was a solution looking for a problem, but it found them
in unexpected places. Instead of being a death ray or destroying
targets directly, they guide bombs, and also play music. But I thought
the expectations for HTS were small-scale, not the power grid.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:30:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 01:49:17 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <AjjPE.27$Gh2.14@fx28.iad>:

On 6/22/19 1:26 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:17:33 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

One idea was a miles-in-diameter superconducting coil to store energy.



One of those megaprojects where I would say the chances between it and a
transatlantic maglev train from New York to London via Greenland, which
will come first, about 50/50. I'm hoping for the train

It wasn't too long ago Larkin was singing his praises of brainstorming and how valuable the people who will propose extreme
ideas were. When he hears about someone else running a new idea up a flagpole to see who salutes he has to ridicule it.

It didn't sound like ridicule, exactly. It's a pretty old idea I think.
Only really feasible with "room temperature" superconductors given the
size the thing would have to be to store appreciable energy to make it
worth the time, but all sorts of wild stuff would be possible with a
ductile, machinable room-temperature superconducting material it'd be
one of the greatest discoveries in engineering/materials science
history, surely.

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

I would expect, even the parts on land would be in a vacuum tunnel of
some kind. To be competitive with air travel times.

The economic advantage would be the enormous number of people a single
train could haul, four trains or so each way per day hauling several
thousand people each would cover pretty much the entire current
transatlantic NYC - London air travel demand

Not just for the sake of arguing, but also from a logic viewpoint,
I think the idea of such a train is bad,
Elon Musk has ideas about high speed trains in tunnels,
maglev or not, a vacuum tunnel or better a tunnel kept vacuum
over such a distance is a ridiculous idea, and you would
need escape places along it in case of the extremely likely emergency
as chances are that it will be hit by some nature based event as flooding, earthquakes, or man made events,
are about 100%.
Planes are simple, supersonic planes (Concorde) have been demonstrated to work,
much cheaper, less maintenance, safer,
Some A380 like plane could carry many people, and if you are not in a hurry take a boat,
Planes will only get better.

A380 was an economic disaster and is soon to be discontinued.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 01:49:17 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/22/19 1:26 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:17:33 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

One idea was a miles-in-diameter superconducting coil to store energy.



One of those megaprojects where I would say the chances between it and a
transatlantic maglev train from New York to London via Greenland, which
will come first, about 50/50. I'm hoping for the train

It wasn't too long ago Larkin was singing his praises of brainstorming and how valuable the people who will propose extreme ideas were. When he hears about someone else running a new idea up a flagpole to see who salutes he has to ridicule it.

It didn't sound like ridicule, exactly.

Not at all. I think the numbers worked.



It's a pretty old idea I think.

Only really feasible with "room temperature" superconductors given the
size the thing would have to be to store appreciable energy to make it
worth the time, but all sorts of wild stuff would be possible with a
ductile, machinable room-temperature superconducting material it'd be
one of the greatest discoveries in engineering/materials science
history, surely.

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

I would expect, even the parts on land would be in a vacuum tunnel of
some kind. To be competitive with air travel times.

I rode on the Japanese Bullet Train, about 200 MPH. It's reliable and
super quiet, very comfortable. Guys with carts come by and sell sushi
and other snacks. It has regular wheels and rails and works pretty
good.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:29:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<rkesge9dcpind2cljfalrpt9hkh3slvqrg@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:30:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 01:49:17 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <AjjPE.27$Gh2.14@fx28.iad>:

On 6/22/19 1:26 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:17:33 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

One idea was a miles-in-diameter superconducting coil to store energy.



One of those megaprojects where I would say the chances between it and a
transatlantic maglev train from New York to London via Greenland, which
will come first, about 50/50. I'm hoping for the train

It wasn't too long ago Larkin was singing his praises of brainstorming and how valuable the people who will propose extreme
ideas were. When he hears about someone else running a new idea up a flagpole to see who salutes he has to ridicule it.

It didn't sound like ridicule, exactly. It's a pretty old idea I think.
Only really feasible with "room temperature" superconductors given the
size the thing would have to be to store appreciable energy to make it
worth the time, but all sorts of wild stuff would be possible with a
ductile, machinable room-temperature superconducting material it'd be
one of the greatest discoveries in engineering/materials science
history, surely.

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

I would expect, even the parts on land would be in a vacuum tunnel of
some kind. To be competitive with air travel times.

The economic advantage would be the enormous number of people a single
train could haul, four trains or so each way per day hauling several
thousand people each would cover pretty much the entire current
transatlantic NYC - London air travel demand

Not just for the sake of arguing, but also from a logic viewpoint,
I think the idea of such a train is bad,
Elon Musk has ideas about high speed trains in tunnels,
maglev or not, a vacuum tunnel or better a tunnel kept vacuum
over such a distance is a ridiculous idea, and you would
need escape places along it in case of the extremely likely emergency
as chances are that it will be hit by some nature based event as flooding, earthquakes, or man made events,
are about 100%.
Planes are simple, supersonic planes (Concorde) have been demonstrated to work,
much cheaper, less maintenance, safer,
Some A380 like plane could carry many people, and if you are not in a hurry take a boat,
Planes will only get better.

A380 was an economic disaster and is soon to be discontinued.

Not a disaster, as long as the whatsisname Arab country was buying those.
The previous poster was talking about 'enormous amount of people on a single train'
A380 is then the way to go via air.
A lot better than well B*oing whatever planes.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:49:24 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 6/22/19 1:26 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:17:33 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

One idea was a miles-in-diameter superconducting coil to store energy.



One of those megaprojects where I would say the chances between it and a
transatlantic maglev train from New York to London via Greenland, which
will come first, about 50/50. I'm hoping for the train

It wasn't too long ago Larkin was singing his praises of brainstorming and how valuable the people who will propose extreme ideas were. When he hears about someone else running a new idea up a flagpole to see who salutes he has to ridicule it.

It didn't sound like ridicule, exactly.

Yeah, I guess you are right. Larkin often posts things without actually saying anything about it. Something like this is usually intended as ridicule so I "assumed".

--

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[bitrex]

On 6/22/19 12:19 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 11:46:23 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/22/19 10:25 AM, John Larkin wrote:

It's a pretty old idea I think.
Only really feasible with "room temperature" superconductors given the
size the thing would have to be to store appreciable energy to make it
worth the time, but all sorts of wild stuff would be possible with a
ductile, machinable room-temperature superconducting material it'd be
one of the greatest discoveries in engineering/materials science
history, surely.

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

I would expect, even the parts on land would be in a vacuum tunnel of
some kind. To be competitive with air travel times.

I rode on the Japanese Bullet Train, about 200 MPH. It's reliable and
super quiet, very comfortable. Guys with carts come by and sell sushi
and other snacks. It has regular wheels and rails and works pretty
good.



I take Amtrak's Acela between Boston and Providence RI regularly which
tops out at about 150 somewhere along there. the tilting action in
curves is much more aggressive than I was expecting, feels like getting
seasick if I'd have to ride it much further than that at that speed.
ka-chunk! to the left, ka-chunk! to the right, bang-bang.

$45 one way for a ~25 minute ride, $70 for "first class." It's almost
always completely full up on weekdays and annoyingly they don't do
reserved seating, not even in "first class."

The Bullet Train is so gentle you don't even hear or feel it
accelerating or braking. But the segment that I rode along the coast,
Nagoya to Hamamatsu, was flat and mostly straight. Scenic but no
adventure at all.

The guy with the snack cart enters at one end of of your car and bows
deeply. After he passes down the car, he turns and bows deeply before
he leaves, whether he's sold anything or not.

If a cell phone rings, the person covers it up and flees to the
vestebule between cars before he answers it.

Very civilized, those Japanese. Nice PMTs too.

China has some trains almost the equal of that now, it's easy to do in
China the government just tells you "We're demolishing your house next
week you need to move. here's $100" they get upset if you try to tell
people that in CT or NJ. Well you'd probably have to give them real
money at least

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 11:46:23 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/22/19 10:25 AM, John Larkin wrote:

It's a pretty old idea I think.
Only really feasible with "room temperature" superconductors given the
size the thing would have to be to store appreciable energy to make it
worth the time, but all sorts of wild stuff would be possible with a
ductile, machinable room-temperature superconducting material it'd be
one of the greatest discoveries in engineering/materials science
history, surely.

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

I would expect, even the parts on land would be in a vacuum tunnel of
some kind. To be competitive with air travel times.

I rode on the Japanese Bullet Train, about 200 MPH. It's reliable and
super quiet, very comfortable. Guys with carts come by and sell sushi
and other snacks. It has regular wheels and rails and works pretty
good.



I take Amtrak's Acela between Boston and Providence RI regularly which
tops out at about 150 somewhere along there. the tilting action in
curves is much more aggressive than I was expecting, feels like getting
seasick if I'd have to ride it much further than that at that speed.
ka-chunk! to the left, ka-chunk! to the right, bang-bang.

$45 one way for a ~25 minute ride, $70 for "first class." It's almost
always completely full up on weekdays and annoyingly they don't do
reserved seating, not even in "first class."

The Bullet Train is so gentle you don't even hear or feel it
accelerating or braking. But the segment that I rode along the coast,
Nagoya to Hamamatsu, was flat and mostly straight. Scenic but no
adventure at all.

The guy with the snack cart enters at one end of of your car and bows
deeply. After he passes down the car, he turns and bows deeply before
he leaves, whether he's sold anything or not.

If a cell phone rings, the person covers it up and flees to the
vestebule between cars before he answers it.

Very civilized, those Japanese. Nice PMTs too.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[bitrex]

On 6/22/19 4:31 AM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:07:06 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
mlist4@infohit.me.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 22:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Rick C wrote:

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

There was a plan to put it in a submerged but near the surface tunnel
across the atlantic and pump the atmosphere out. Expected speed was
18,000 miles per hour but it would take the whole of the planets
production of steel for a year to accomplish. This was well before
Musks hyperloop idea.

That speed is about 8 km/s i.e. the orbital speed of a satellite.

Since the tube would follow the curvature of the Earth, the passengers
would be weightless after achieving that speed but before slowing
down,

I didn't think of that but yeah 18,000 mph is an implausible speed even
for a very futuristic project like that. you have to make it comfortable
for your frail-est passenger, little old ladies and ill people are
supposed to ride this train, too!

You can't make your passengers pull 5 Gs for three minutes on
acceleration out of the station. You can't really even make your
passengers pull 1 G for 10 minutes in one direction and then 1 G in the
other direction, on deceleration, either, you're building a transport
system not the Vomit Comet at the amusement park

 

[bitrex]

On 6/22/19 10:25 AM, John Larkin wrote:

It's a pretty old idea I think.
Only really feasible with "room temperature" superconductors given the
size the thing would have to be to store appreciable energy to make it
worth the time, but all sorts of wild stuff would be possible with a
ductile, machinable room-temperature superconducting material it'd be
one of the greatest discoveries in engineering/materials science
history, surely.

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

I would expect, even the parts on land would be in a vacuum tunnel of
some kind. To be competitive with air travel times.

I rode on the Japanese Bullet Train, about 200 MPH. It's reliable and
super quiet, very comfortable. Guys with carts come by and sell sushi
and other snacks. It has regular wheels and rails and works pretty
good.

I take Amtrak's Acela between Boston and Providence RI regularly which
tops out at about 150 somewhere along there. the tilting action in
curves is much more aggressive than I was expecting, feels like getting
seasick if I'd have to ride it much further than that at that speed.
ka-chunk! to the left, ka-chunk! to the right, bang-bang.

$45 one way for a ~25 minute ride, $70 for "first class." It's almost
always completely full up on weekdays and annoyingly they don't do
reserved seating, not even in "first class."

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:06:02 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote in
<8onsgedgub8d04tfljh5m06pc6br92ciae@4ax.com>:

Not a disaster, as long as the whatsisname Arab country was buying those.
The previous poster was talking about 'enormous amount of people on a single train'
A380 is then the way to go via air.
A lot better than well B*oing whatever planes.


Airbus lost a ton of money on the A380. Production will shut down
soon.

Boeing just got a new order for 200 of the 737 MAX.

This is reality right now:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-airshow-factbox/factbox-airbus-and-boeing-aircraft-deals-at-paris-airshow-idUSKCN1TL1Y5

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:26:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:29:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
rkesge9dcpind2cljfalrpt9hkh3slvqrg@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:30:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 01:49:17 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <AjjPE.27$Gh2.14@fx28.iad>:

On 6/22/19 1:26 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 1:17:33 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 6/21/19 8:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:

One idea was a miles-in-diameter superconducting coil to store energy.



One of those megaprojects where I would say the chances between it and a
transatlantic maglev train from New York to London via Greenland, which
will come first, about 50/50. I'm hoping for the train

It wasn't too long ago Larkin was singing his praises of brainstorming and how valuable the people who will propose extreme
ideas were. When he hears about someone else running a new idea up a flagpole to see who salutes he has to ridicule it.

It didn't sound like ridicule, exactly. It's a pretty old idea I think.
Only really feasible with "room temperature" superconductors given the
size the thing would have to be to store appreciable energy to make it
worth the time, but all sorts of wild stuff would be possible with a
ductile, machinable room-temperature superconducting material it'd be
one of the greatest discoveries in engineering/materials science
history, surely.

Will the maglev train be in a tunnel? Hopefully it will be more comfortable than a plane.

I would expect, even the parts on land would be in a vacuum tunnel of
some kind. To be competitive with air travel times.

The economic advantage would be the enormous number of people a single
train could haul, four trains or so each way per day hauling several
thousand people each would cover pretty much the entire current
transatlantic NYC - London air travel demand

Not just for the sake of arguing, but also from a logic viewpoint,
I think the idea of such a train is bad,
Elon Musk has ideas about high speed trains in tunnels,
maglev or not, a vacuum tunnel or better a tunnel kept vacuum
over such a distance is a ridiculous idea, and you would
need escape places along it in case of the extremely likely emergency
as chances are that it will be hit by some nature based event as flooding, earthquakes, or man made events,
are about 100%.
Planes are simple, supersonic planes (Concorde) have been demonstrated to work,
much cheaper, less maintenance, safer,
Some A380 like plane could carry many people, and if you are not in a hurry take a boat,
Planes will only get better.

A380 was an economic disaster and is soon to be discontinued.

Not a disaster, as long as the whatsisname Arab country was buying those.
The previous poster was talking about 'enormous amount of people on a single train'
A380 is then the way to go via air.
A lot better than well B*oing whatever planes.

Airbus lost a ton of money on the A380. Production will shut down
soon.

Boeing just got a new order for 200 of the 737 MAX.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 11:53:49 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 6/22/19 4:31 AM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

Since the tube would follow the curvature of the Earth, the passengers
would be weightless after achieving that speed but before slowing
down,


I didn't think of that but yeah 18,000 mph is an implausible speed even
for a very futuristic project like that. you have to make it comfortable
for your frail-est passenger, little old ladies and ill people are
supposed to ride this train, too!

You can't make your passengers pull 5 Gs for three minutes on
acceleration out of the station. You can't really even make your
passengers pull 1 G for 10 minutes in one direction and then 1 G in the
other direction, on deceleration, either, you're building a transport
system not the Vomit Comet at the amusement park

The problem is not as much the acceleration as the change in acceleration, also known as "jerk". We constantly feel 1 G of acceleration from the earth's gravity. Add 1 G perpendicular and you now have 1.4 G at 45°. Yeah, the seats will need to face the right direction and turn around before slowing down. The acceleration just needs to be brought up slowly.

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Rick C.

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 12:27:15 -0400) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <EFsPE.922$1x5.720@fx47.iad>:

in
China the government just tells you "We're demolishing your house next
week you need to move. here's $100" they get upset if you try to tell

Maybe, and US does that to Syria, and a lot of other countries since WW2
ehh, in, eeh and Vietnam, and (endless list)
and does NOT give even a hundred $.

Iraq
And kills people directly too.

With dones
any other way.

Agent Orange

depleted uranium ammo

people that in CT or NJ. Well you'd probably have to give them real
money at least

Debt, you only have debt, and a promise to do better in the next generation, gov bonds.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

This is reality right now:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-airshow-factbox/factbox-airbus-and-boeing-aircraft-deals-at-paris-airshow-idUSKCN1TL1Y5

Airbus sells twice as much as boing:
https://www.rt.com/business/462406-airbus-outpaces-boeing-paris-show/

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:26:43 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Not a disaster, as long as the whatsisname Arab country was buying
those.

And then there's premier league football club owners, like this bloke,
who owns an A380 as his personal jet!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich




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Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:qelm0i$2c3$1@dont-email.me:

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 12:27:15 -0400) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <EFsPE.922$1x5.720@fx47.iad>:

in
China the government just tells you "We're demolishing your house
next week you need to move. here's $100" they get upset if you try
to tell

Maybe, and US does that to Syria, and a lot of other countries
since WW2 ehh, in, eeh and Vietnam, and (endless list)
and does NOT give even a hundred $.

Iraq
And kills people directly too.

With dones
any other way.

Agent Orange

depleted uranium ammo



people that in CT or NJ. Well you'd probably have to give them real
money at least

Debt, you only have debt, and a promise to do better in the next
generation, gov bonds.

I'd gladly hang you Tuesday, for a hamburger today.

You have a seriously abnormal anti-american sentiment, and half of
what you spout is utter horseshit.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 22 Jun 2019 18:23:48 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Cursitor
Doom <curd@notformail.com> wrote in <qelrnk$t70$1@dont-email.me>:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 15:26:43 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Not a disaster, as long as the whatsisname Arab country was buying
those.

And then there's premier league football club owners, like this bloke,
who owns an A380 as his personal jet!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich

That wikipedia article only taks about a boing 767?

Very impressive guy really, all the things he does and did.